1 edit | Where is the outrage? Every taxpayer in this country just financed an urban fiber project for a small town at a cost of $1349.43 per resident. Welcome to the united socialist states of amerika folks, where the latest handout is now fiber optic networks. What is even worse is the sheeple from this board think this is great. No wonder our "freedom" continues to erode.
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Saint Louis, MO | said by Gunslinger03:Every taxpayer in this country just financed an urban fiber project for a small town at a cost of $1349.43 per resident. Welcome to the united socialist states of amerika folks, where the latest handout is now fiber optic networks. What is even worse is the sheeple from this board think this is great. No wonder our "freedom" continues to erode. i suppose this makes up for the fact that every resident of new york state who does NOT live in NYC (ie those who live in the "sticks") has to pay some of the highest real estate tax in the country outside of CA in order to pay for the security of those who live in the big apple. a family of 4 i know had to forclose on a home that they owned outright because they could not afford real-estate tax which has gone up 450% in the last 5 years. it far outstripped their wages.
people in smaller towns and rural areas have been paying a lot of money in taxes for a long time and getting absolutely nothing in return. i mean, there are many roads in indiana which the state (or federal government) hasnt bothered to pave yet. do you think "city-folk" would stand for having unpaved roads?
besides, i would rather see the money go to paying for a high-tech fiber network (even if it is being wasted) than building one of those absurdly expensive, and completely unnecessary, F-22 fighter jets which would only serve the purpose of killing people and using gas.
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| said by Fronkman:people in smaller towns and rural areas have been paying a lot of money in taxes for a long time and getting absolutely nothing in return. i mean, there are many roads in indiana which the state (or federal government) hasnt bothered to pave yet. do you think "city-folk" would stand for having unpaved roads? People all over the country have been getting shafted by all levels of government for a long time. We also pay a lot of state and federal taxes and regularly get nothing in return. Not sure why you think it is the responsibility of the federal government to use tax dollars to pay for this when you already see yourself gettting shafted locally. Do you honestly think any flavor of government knows how to spend your money better than you? Have you seen any of the bills passed by the US con-gress? Have you also seen the pork those bills were lined with? |
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said by Gunslinger03:Every taxpayer in this country just financed an urban fiber project for a small town at a cost of $1349.43 per resident. Welcome to the united socialist states of amerika folks, where the latest handout is now fiber optic networks. What is even worse is the sheeple from this board think this is great. No wonder our "freedom" continues to erode. "A Nation of Sheep Will Beget a Government of Wolves." -Edward R. Murrow I understand where you are coming from. But I would rather our tax paying money go to getting fiber optics to small towns/rual areas than giving it to some big corporation like Verizon and AT&T where they can letter use their control to bully their way around through our government. At least now we can tell them to shove it!
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Fort Worth, TX | reply to Gunslinger03
said by Gunslinger03:Every taxpayer in this country just financed an urban fiber project for a small town at a cost of $1349.43 per resident. Welcome to the united socialist states of amerika folks, where the latest handout is now fiber optic networks. What is even worse is the sheeple from this board think this is great. No wonder our "freedom" continues to erode. Half a mil' is peanuts compared to "Masters of Pork" like Stevens of Alaska (R) or Byrd of W. Virginia (D). At least this did something for the average person, and wasn't a way for some pol' to buy votes for his / her re-election.
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| Regardless of the amount it does not make it right. It is socialist wealth redistribution. |
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$1349.43 per resident
Not really accurate, as it's mainly being aimed at serving businesses, and luring businesses to the region.
Also, I think tagging "giving a shit" as socialism is pure hyperbole. I'd rather my tax dollars go toward wiring rural American than pork projects or pet-wars. |
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Los Angeles, CA | exactly. You get to see actual results, rather than someone telling you your money is going to "help so and so."
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From dictionary.com:
so‧cial‧ism
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
How does this differ?
Also see my response to "e_identity". |
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| Go look up Socialism on Wikipedia. It's far more nuanced. quote:
It is difficult to make generalizations about the diverse array of doctrines and movements that have been referred to as "socialist," for the various adherents of contemporary socialist movements do not agree on a common doctrine or program.
These days the term is used as a simplistic argumentative weapon to suggest helping others is tied to Communism and AK-47 wielding South American revolutionaries.
I think it's a shallow tag, particularly when those who use it usually have no issue whatsoever with industry kickbacks and obscene military expenditures, and are the last people to be lecturing anyone on responsible spending or fiscal efficiency. |
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Swayzee, IN | reply to Gunslinger03
You don't get it.
It is all about capitalism. Companies like Calix, Wave 7, and OCCAM all want to get into the RBOCs bed and take away some of that Alcatel empire. The only way they can show the RBOCs their stuff is the "Bee's Knees" is to get it out there and working in the real world. They love working with small guys because we tend to be innovators and I hate to say it...non-union. By the time any technology gets to the implementation stage with an RBOC it has to be so vanilla its sickening. The small telcos take chances daily so why shouldn't they get some consideration from an otherwise uncaring and unsympathetic government? |
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said by Karl Bode:I think it's a shallow tag, particularly when those who use it usually have no issue whatsoever with industry kickbacks and obscene military expenditures, and are the last people to be lecturing anyone on responsible spending or fiscal efficiency. I do have an issue with industry kickbacks and obscene military expenditures--because they are both byproducts of our federal government gone wild. If they did not have our tax dollars to spend they would not be able to do either. |
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Forest, OH | reply to Gunslinger03
Interesting how you say 'every taxpayer in this country just financed an urban fiber project'. You never stopped to consider that theses folks have been paying taxes, and that their just getting some of thier money back. How much of their money do they see disappear to the big cities every year, just to get insulted by those cities. |
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"Every taxpayer in this country just financed an urban fiber project for a small town at a cost of $1349.43 per resident. Welcome to the united socialist states of amerika folks, where the latest handout is now fiber optic networks. What is even worse is the sheeple from this board think this is great. No wonder our "freedom" continues to erode."
You seem to be another one who would rather make outlandish statements than actually learn how the country and government work.
How is it, do you think, that all the roads and other infrastructure was built? Just what, do you think, is all that Universal Service Fund money being collected FOR? This is what it's supposed to be used for, genius.
This is what government programs are for and have been since the beginning. Unfortunately, many times such programs and grants have strings attached that they shouldn't.
Perhaps the next time you should stop and THINK like the rest of us do before hysterically popping off? |
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These days the term is used as a simplistic argumentative weapon to suggest helping others is tied to Communism and AK-47 wielding South American revolutionaries. How is stealing from people helping?
That's the problem with you people. You're all for being altruisitic, but only with other people's money. Therein lies the rub: theft is theft is theft and it's wrong no matter what the reason.
Why is it ok to spend a minimum $1300 per person for this blatant pork project when they could've spent $100 or less a person for broadband themselves? |
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| Who is stealing? That's hyperbole. As is labeling me as part of "you people". People who give a shit about the country's functionality, you mean?
The USDA loan system is set up, under the guidelines of law, to lend a hand to forgotten rural areas. The other half of the money comes from local cooperatives. Locals there pay taxes too.
And again, the $1,300 figure isn't accurate as this project is being targeted at businesses first, who'll clearly be willing to pay more and offset the burden. |
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Yonkers, NY | reply to Al Cohol
These people will be paying for the service. The 1300 was for the installation of a previously nonexistent FTTP network. Also, these people pay taxes too. We get super highways, they get FTTP. |
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said by Karl Bode:That's hyperbole. As is labeling me as part of "you people". You mean like this:
»Re: ~$2300 per person for FTTP!
You guys are 99.8% rhetoric, .1% taxation whining, and .1% practicality. Pot calling the kettle black.
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Wave7 has technology that's been deployed here in Ohio at a Co-Op. And from the way their website is it looks like they've been putting technology to work in several areas around the country. |
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Osseo, MN | reply to Fatal Vector
said by Fatal Vector:Just what, do you think, is all that Universal Service Fund money being collected FOR? This is what it's supposed to be used for, genius. Silly goose that money is obviously for helping out the poor teleco's like AT&T and Verizon to sue and prevent projects like this from being built. They have to be able to defend themselves against the strong armed small communities that have been running over the AT&T's and Verizons of the world for years now. Plus how are the ceo's of these companies supposed to be able to tip their pool boys at their third vacation home without some extra profits.  |
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