Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16888136 en Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:48:11 EDT Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:48:11 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16901941 Asmodeus1 :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

The Slingbox issue for wireless providers like Verizon have the same solution that should be implemented to address all bandwidth hog issues, regardless of infrastructure - a pay per bit pricing model. With that model, those who consume the most bandwidth pay the most money. This does 2 things:
It puts the burden of upgrading infrastructure on those causing the need for an upgrade. And it puts a self-limit on those biggest bandwidth hogs - how much are they willing to pay to consume huge amounts of bandwidth. At some point they will cut their usage to match their available funds.
what a load of crap. i paid for the bandwidth and now i expect to get it and use it. maybe verizon should have thought of a pay-as-you-go system, but they didn't now did they. therefore their business model is set up to provide bandwidth so i can get the content i want and not have it regulated by them. this will certainly lead to a class-action if they don't rectify it immediately.

this notion that bandwidth is somehow limited is garbage. it isn't, it's an ethereal and an intangible asset that has replenshment properties that extend into the infinite. if verizon has more users that want to use more of their high bandwidth streams and they don't have enough of it to dole out then who's fault is it when their users are using it for the purpose they bought it for and verizon can't supply the pipe for them to do it in? it's verizons fault obviously and the solution is quite simple. add more pipe. be the provider that people are paying to be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16901941 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 13:09:15 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16901914 wifi4milez :
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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

the real problem verizon has with Slingbox is not bandwidth usage. nope they have bandwith coming out of their ears. its the fact slingbox gives the user free what they want you to pay for over their Vcast network.
Exactly. ANybody who still claims it's just a network/bandwidth issue has no fuckin' idea about basic business tactics. :uhh:
You people keep missing the point here. First of all, clearly the carriers would want you to buy their content as opposed to getting it elsewhere. But thats not the real issue at hand. Even if everyone on a given tower was using Vcast to watch Verizon's video clips it would STILL OVERLOAD THE NETWORK. As I mentioned before, most of the towers are serviced by a single T1 line and that will cause problems regardless of where the content is coming from. People (cough, cough) need to do some research about T1's before they make sweeping statement about business tactics (which they should also probably read up on ;))
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the real problem verizon has with Slingbox is not bandwidth usage. nope they have bandwith coming out of their ears. its the fact slingbox gives the user free what they want you to pay for over their Vcast network.
Exactly. ANybody who still claims it's just a network/bandwidth issue has no fuckin' idea about basic business tactics. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16899825 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:07:32 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16897427 calvoiper : Sounds like you've got a good complaint case then. Rather than seek aid from the oft compromised utility regulators, you might try the FTC or state authorities (often state attorney general) on a "deceptive business practice" claim.

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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

the real problem verizon has with Slingbox is not bandwidth usage. nope they have bandwith coming out of their ears. its the fact slingbox gives the user free what they want you to pay for over their Vcast network.
That is incorrect. Verizon (and ALL other wireless carriers) are still just beginning to upgrade their infrastructure. You need to keep in mind that most of their cell towers are served by just a single T1 line. Next you need to understand that in many metro areas of the country a single cell tower can literally be serving thousands of customers. I am not arguing for Verizon Wireless here, in fact, I often complain about how I left them and how much I dislike them. The fact remains however that the wireless networks are NOT currently prepared for everyone to use them like they use the wired networks (cable, dsl, etc.)
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said by Kearnstd See Profile :

the real problem verizon has with Slingbox is not bandwidth usage. nope they have bandwith coming out of their ears. its the fact slingbox gives the user free what they want you to pay for over their Vcast network.
And how do you know they have bandwidth coming out their ears on their cell phone system? Are you privy to some internal engineering studies about Verizon's cell network?
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Unfortunately, marketing and the truth rarely go together these days.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16894022 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:55:15 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16893503 kamm :
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If I pay for unlimited service, I'm entitled to unlimited service, period. Capping is illegal.
Yeah, but apparently the TOS says you aren't paying for unlimited service.

I disagree that capping is necessarily illegal. Offering true "unlimited service" and then capping it may be a deceptive business practice, and if that's happened to you, you should file a complaint. However, if an ISP wants to offer a product with a disclosed cap, I see no legal problem with it. Are you aware of some statute or regulation that says it's illegal?

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I don't see anything in my TOS which says they can use caps...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16893503 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:45:06 EDT Here's the point http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16893266 winky : Consumers don't care how it works. The see it advertised and they buy it. When they start advertising it as limited, I guess we'll all stop complaining about the fact that it is.
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As far as I know, the cap is at 5GB not 10GB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16892053 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 21:55:23 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16889361 calvoiper :
said by kamm See Profile :

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If I pay for unlimited service, I'm entitled to unlimited service, period. Capping is illegal.
Yeah, but apparently the TOS says you aren't paying for unlimited service.

I disagree that capping is necessarily illegal. Offering true "unlimited service" and then capping it may be a deceptive business practice, and if that's happened to you, you should file a complaint. However, if an ISP wants to offer a product with a disclosed cap, I see no legal problem with it. Are you aware of some statute or regulation that says it's illegal?

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Bandwidth is already bought based on "usage" in most datacenter environments and it works very well. As said in the original post, this is the only way I see faster speeds (100 Mbps+) coming into a large number of residential homes anytime soon. ISPs can not afford to give out those types of speeds with low prices (less than $100/month) and have people use the full connection 24/7. Latency would skyrocket and connections would become unreliable.

While I would love to have a low cost, 100 Mbps, unlimited usage, connection to my home, it just doesn't make financial sense for ISPs to provide it. As soon as you start buying bandwidth outside the home or small business, you'll see.
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said by sporkme See Profile :

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

...a pay per bit pricing model. With that model, those who consume the most bandwidth pay the most money. This does 2 things:
It puts the burden of upgrading infrastructure on those causing the need for an upgrade. And it puts a self-limit on those biggest bandwidth hogs - how much are they willing to pay to consume huge amounts of bandwidth. At some point they will cut their usage to match their available funds.
With this I agree 100%. Anyone that thinks their $29.95 pays for the bandwidth, support, infrastructure and hardware is just delusional.
For you, perhaps but apparently it generates plenty of wealth for every ISP. :uhh:

This is not about free speech.
Excuse me? You're pretty confused here... it's not your usual the civil liberties/freedom-bashing topic...
:D

There are many hosting providers out there that will get your message out (upstream) for a very reasonable fee.

I have no interest in subsidizing some kid's porn/warez/spears file-sharing habits.
I have no interests to feed the stockholders sheer greed, represented here by various people.
If I pay for unlimited service, I'm entitled to unlimited service, period. Capping is illegal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16888204 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:56:23 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16888161 sporkme :
said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

...a pay per bit pricing model. With that model, those who consume the most bandwidth pay the most money. This does 2 things:
It puts the burden of upgrading infrastructure on those causing the need for an upgrade. And it puts a self-limit on those biggest bandwidth hogs - how much are they willing to pay to consume huge amounts of bandwidth. At some point they will cut their usage to match their available funds.
With this I agree 100%. Anyone that thinks their $29.95 pays for the bandwidth, support, infrastructure and hardware is just delusional. This is not about free speech. There are many hosting providers out there that will get your message out (upstream) for a very reasonable fee.

I have no interest in subsidizing some kid's porn/warez/spears file-sharing habits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16888161 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:48:28 EDT Re: Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16887744 anon : only problem with that is that most companys mainly candian ISP needs approval by the governing party on this, being the CRTC, they have to approve so that the ISPs can charge per gig]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16887744 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:05:31 EDT Slingbox issues have a solution: pay per bit http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16887719 TK Junk Mail : The Slingbox issue for wireless providers like Verizon have the same solution that should be implemented to address all bandwidth hog issues, regardless of infrastructure - a pay per bit pricing model. With that model, those who consume the most bandwidth pay the most money. This does 2 things:
It puts the burden of upgrading infrastructure on those causing the need for an upgrade. And it puts a self-limit on those biggest bandwidth hogs - how much are they willing to pay to consume huge amounts of bandwidth. At some point they will cut their usage to match their available funds.
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