 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Re: "Turd Bird?" Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Transmaster:Eat your heart out CNN Here have some heart burn Kamm LOL People still watch CNN? 
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said by Transmaster:Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind... All pundits need to be dropped in the ocean... Except maybe for Colbert since he makes fun of all them.
As the punchline of the joke goes... It a would be "a good start."
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Mount Airy, MD | said by bmn:Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind... Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie? How does it measure up against other news outlets when it comes to getting caught in a major news-related scandal (i.e., something akin to the New York Times and the Jayson Blair scandal, CBS and the fake memos scandal, etc.)
It seems all of FOX News' detractors who claim that their content is somehow "fake" often don't realize that compared to other "news" sources, their record is actually pretty clean.
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Zoly
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Houston, TX | reply to pnh102
Yes, we are watching CNN!!! And loving it. And we love MSNBC too. Are there any other news networks in the US?
Nope. Trying to find something else withing the last 10 years with no results. Just don't tel me that FOXNEWS is a news channel.
And you know why they have such high rating? Cause all Christian fascists (they have noting in common with Christianity) and right-wing zealots are watching ITS.
And we have lots of those individuals now as there is a favorable condition for them created by Bushists. |
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TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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Cheyenne, WY | reply to pnh102
Fox News didn't suck up to Saddam in Baghdad like CNN did, remember CNN let the goons at the Iraqi Ministry of Information censor their stories so they would not get kicked out of the country, and they failed to tell anybody listening about it.
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a true "turd bird" |
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bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
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said by pnh102:Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie? Depends... Most of the lying on Fox comes from their commentary shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and others where its all about opinion and politics.
How does it measure up against other news outlets when it comes to getting caught in a major news-related scandal (i.e., something akin to the New York Times and the Jayson Blair scandal, CBS and the fake memos scandal, etc.) Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.
It seems all of FOX News' detractors who claim that their content is somehow "fake" often don't realize that compared to other "news" sources, their record is actually pretty clean. When it comes to outright lies, yes. But Fox doesn't need to lie outright. It has its "commentators" of the Hannity and O'Reily ilk to do it for them.
Why a news channel needs such programming is beside me because political hacks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Franken, etc. etc. have NO NEWS VALUE. So, why put them on a NEWS channel ?
Fact is, the state of news media in America is declining... Fox is as big of a problem as the others.
There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.
Its odd how the media in American seems to resemble the Politbureau more and more...
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Mount Airy, MD | said by bmn:Depends... Most of the lying on Fox comes from their commentary shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and others where its all about opinion and politics. If you look at someone like Bill O'Reilly, the most trouble he's been in was not due to his lying in his presentation, but rather due to sexually herassing a female coworker. Again, that's not lying.
As for the other commentators, where have any of them been involved in a scandal such as the ones I mentioned with the NYT, CBS (and CNN, as was mentioned in another post)? I guarantee that if any FOX News contributor was caught in such a lie, it would still be the lead story on every other network even to this day.
said by bmn:Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie. So then they are not lying.
said by bmn:Why a news channel needs such programming is beside me because political hacks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Franken, etc. etc. have NO NEWS VALUE. So, why put them on a NEWS channel ? This practice is not exclusive to FOX News. CNN and MSNBC also have their fair share of opinionated commentators. While they may not be charged with presenting the news per se, there is obviously a value in having opinionated commentary (when it is presented as such).
said by bmn:Fact is, the state of news media in America is declining... Fox is as big of a problem as the others. Again though, of all the major news outlets, FOX News has avoided falling into the "Fake News" traps that have ensnared other news organizations. I would dare say that the "decline" of other news outlets is due moreso to the poor quality of the product (i.e., a lack of even basic fact checking) than anything else.
said by bmn:There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism. I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.
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join:2001-11-28
Ohio
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I wonder if God will answer a prayer that goes against one of his 10 commandments? Your post wins the award for one of the most tasteless. |
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morboComplete Your Transaction
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00000 | God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by morbo:God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do. How would you know? I thought God only talked to George W. Bush
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The idea that some people consider these guys reputable news sources is laughable. Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. I guess that explains why they're so wrong about things like the rule of law and such... |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by JakCrow:The idea that some people consider these guys reputable news sources is laughable. Prove that they aren't.
said by JakCrow:Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. I guess that explains why they're so wrong about things like the rule of law and such... Which opinion shows on FOX do not specifically identify themselves as such?
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JakCrow
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Palo Alto, CA | said by pnh102:said by JakCrow:The idea that some people consider these guys reputable news sources is laughable. Prove that they aren't. Oh what day of the week?
said by JakCrow:Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. I guess that explains why they're so wrong about things like the rule of law and such... Which opinion shows on FOX do not specifically identify themselves as such?  |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by JakCrow:Oh what day of the week? Since you allege these lies happen all the time, then surely you can name at least one.
said by JakCrow:Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. Those would be the -viewers-, and as we can see, they're obviously easily duped. I think The View is on another channel, dude.
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JakCrow
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1 edit | said by pnh102:said by JakCrow:Oh what day of the week? Since you allege these lies happen all the time, then surely you can name at least one. Sean Hannity continues to "believe" Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria without any evidence, and despite the fact this never happened because there weren't any to move. This is an amusing one since he's been grasping at it for 3 years now. Of course, he never lets the facts get in his way when he's spouting off the daily talking point. Next? 
Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. Those would be the -viewers-, and as we can see, they're obviously easily duped. I think The View is on another channel, dude. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by JakCrow:Sean Hannity continues to "believe" Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria without any evidence, and despite the fact this never happened because there weren't any to move. Sean Hannity tells you that he hosts an opinion show (both on FOX News and on talk radio), he never once claims to be an unbiased journalist when he hosts these shows, nor does he claim that he is reporting any news. This isn't the same as making up evidence to prove that a news story that is or is not true.
On the other hand, let's say that Sean Hannity was hosting what is billed to be a news program, say, the Fox Evening News with Sean Hannity, and during said broadcast, Hannity presents some evidence which claims to prove the allegations you state in your original post. The evidence later proves to be completely fabricated but Hannity continues to claim the story is true anyway. This would be an example of the sort of lie that I am looking for.
said by JakCrow:I didn't realize you watched that too. My condolences. I don't, I just based my original assertion that The View was on another channel based on the fact that it does not appear in the FOX News programming schedule
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Palo Alto, CA | said by pnh102:said by JakCrow:Sean Hannity continues to "believe" Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria without any evidence, and despite the fact this never happened because there weren't any to move. Sean Hannity tells you that he hosts an opinion show (both on FOX News and on talk radio), he never once claims to be an unbiased journalist when he hosts these shows, nor does he claim that he is reporting any news. This isn't the same as making up evidence to prove that a news story that is or is not true. On the other hand, let's say that Sean Hannity was hosting what is billed to be a news program, say, the Fox Evening News with Sean Hannity, and during said broadcast, Hannity presents some evidence which claims to prove the allegations you state in your original post. The evidence later proves to be completely fabricated but Hannity continues to claim the story is true anyway. This would be an example of the sort of lie that I am looking for. You were the one wanting evidence these guys are not reputable news sources, which I have easily provided. I didn't say these talking heads claim their news people either (though I believe each one has from time to time referred to themselves as journalists *cough*). I have clearly indicated twice that it's the viewers that have a "problem" separating opinion from real news. This in of itself isn't news however.
said by JakCrow:I didn't realize you watched that too. My condolences. I don't, I just based my original assertion that The View was on another channel based on the fact that it does not appear in the FOX News programming schedule |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by JakCrow:You were the one wanting evidence these guys are not reputable news sources, which I have easily provided. You provided nothing. Your quibble was with an opinion piece presented on an opinion program. If you actually watched Hannity and Colmes you would know that the hosts of this program make it very clear that this is an opinion program and not a news program.
said by JakCrow:I have clearly indicated twice that it's the viewers that have a "problem" separating opinion from real news. If you are indeed watching Hannity and Colmes, then you're personifying this problem.
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