said by Transmaster :

Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have

Here have some heart burn Kamm

quote:

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Fox News' Ratings Take a Nosedive

TVNewser | Posted Tuesday August 29, 2006 at 05:12 PM

Somewhere, Keith Olbermann is sticking pins in a Bill O'Reilly voodoo doll: Fox News' ratings, TVNewser reports, are down since August of last year. Like, way down. Like down 28 percent in primetime among all viewers, down 20 percent in primetime in the "money demo" (viewers aged 25-54) and down 7 percent in daytime viewership overall. In fact, the only place Fox is up is during the day, when they managed a ratings increase of just 2 percent, and even then only in the money demo.

And lest you think this is an industry-wide trend, consider this: over the same time period, CNN and MSNBC are up. CNN's up 35 percent during the day -- 46 percent in the money demo -- and up 21 percent in primetime overall, 25 percent in the money demo. MSNBC's ratings increases aren't quite as impressive -- up 6 percent in primetime overall, 8 percent in the money demo, and up 36 percent in the money demo during the day, 26 percent overall.

We, of course, are Fair and Balanced here, so there won't be any celebrating later tonight. Certainly we will not be opening any champagne. That would be wrong.


»www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-p···292.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16911796 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:06:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16911563 pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

So, using this logic, FNC's 24% downturn in ratings is because they've been caught lying. Seems about right. Meanwhile, other networks have seen an increase in viewership. Hmmm....

Ok, I will type this very, very slowly so you understand it:

When

has

FOX

News

Been

Caught

Lying

In a NEWS piece?

Now, just so you don't make the same mistake again, someone stating an opinion, in the context of an opinion show, even if it is something with which you may not agree, is NOT lying about NEWS. His opinion may be wrong, but since its not NEWS, it doesn't count as lying during NEWS.
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said by pnh102 :

I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.

So, using this logic, FNC's 24% downturn in ratings is because they've been caught lying. Seems about right. Meanwhile, other networks have seen an increase in viewership. Hmmm....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16911430 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:08:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16911377 bmn :

said by pnh102 :

If you look at someone like Bill O'Reilly, the most trouble he's been in was not due to his lying in his presentation, but rather due to sexually herassing a female coworker. Again, that's not lying.

Getting caught sleeping with a female co-worker is not lying... He, however, does lie when he misrepresents the facts of the day and distorts. For anyone to say that O'Reilly (or any of the others for that matter) does not lie is to be naive at best and complicate at worst.

As for the other commentators, where have any of them been involved in a scandal such as the ones I mentioned with the NYT, CBS (and CNN, as was mentioned in another post)?

Lying, distortion and misrepresentation is still lying, distortion or misrepresentation, regardless of the size of it.

said by bmn :

Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.

So then they are not lying.

Its still lying, just not in the same sense as crafting a fake article. There are many ways to lie and Fox does it the best way, not doing outright but through subtle means.

Again though, of all the major news outlets, FOX News has avoided falling into the "Fake News" traps that have ensnared other news organizations.

Because Fox knows its better to make a 1000 distortions over a period of time instead of one large Fake story that you can get hung for eventually.

I would dare say that the "decline" of other news outlets is due moreso to the poor quality of the product (i.e., a lack of even basic fact checking) than anything else.

Its more of an audience issue than anything... The news has to placate to the LCD. You can't expect high quality news when a majority of the audience can't digest it.

said by bmn :

There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.

I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.

Oh no... That statement applies to ALL of the major news sources, fake news scandals or not. Fox news is as guilty of being a news-entertainment outlet as all the others. They use the same sensationalist methods as the others out there. One only needed to watch during the Michael Jackson, Kolbe Bryant and Scott Peterson bullshit to see it.

Fact is that there is no longer a unbiased news source left anymore that gives its audience the facts to make a decision on their own anymore. Unbiased news is dead.
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said by morbo :

God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do.

sadly for us , you must have the tolerence of God to not hate O'Reilly....on the other hand with some of our behaviour that may just come in handy some day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16910862 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:24:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16910841 tdar :

said by frankie9999 :

If more Americans were willing to take the time to learn what's truly happening around them rather than being spoon-fed half-truths and propaganda, we wouldn't be suffering under an administration that has just this week made a determined, public effort to strike the prohibition against "offenses to personal dignity" from our methods of treatment for prisoners. It is disgusting that this is actually being debated in the United States of America. Worse yet that the right-wing crowd doesn't see anything wrong with that. They accuse the left of "blaming America first" while the righties in power whittle away our Constitutional rights, without care. Does that make them feel safer? Are they safer today than last year, two years ago, or five? No. But our country edges closer to disgrace.

What we should be wondeing is if our leaders think it's OK to remove the rights of persons we have captured to dignity in treatment, how long will it be before they deside that they should do it to us...... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16910841 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:21:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16910413 JakCrow :

said by pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

You were the one wanting evidence these guys are not reputable news sources, which I have easily provided.

You provided nothing. Your quibble was with an opinion piece presented on an opinion program. If you actually watched Hannity and Colmes you would know that the hosts of this program make it very clear that this is an opinion program and not a news program.

Uh no. You wanted proof these people are not reputable news sources. Hannity's continued use of invalidated "information" with this and other issues simply proves he has no reputation to stand on when it comes to the truth. This applies to people like O'reilly as well. You are simply moving the goal posts after the criteria has been met because you didn't like the answer, as per usual. Your continued insistance that they host opinion shows when no one in this discussion has said otherwise could be seen as an attempt to misrepresent what's being said.

I have clearly indicated twice that it's the viewers that have a "problem" separating opinion from real news.

If you are indeed watching Hannity and Colmes, then you're personifying this problem.

Uh, no. The problem is, once again, the viewers that believe commentary is somehow real news. Since that is not what I believe, one would logically conclude I'm talking about someone else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16910413 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:12:33 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16910112 pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

You were the one wanting evidence these guys are not reputable news sources, which I have easily provided.

You provided nothing. Your quibble was with an opinion piece presented on an opinion program. If you actually watched Hannity and Colmes you would know that the hosts of this program make it very clear that this is an opinion program and not a news program.

said by JakCrow :

I have clearly indicated twice that it's the viewers that have a "problem" separating opinion from real news.

If you are indeed watching Hannity and Colmes, then you're personifying this problem.
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said by pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

Sean Hannity continues to "believe" Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria without any evidence, and despite the fact this never happened because there weren't any to move.

Sean Hannity tells you that he hosts an opinion show (both on FOX News and on talk radio), he never once claims to be an unbiased journalist when he hosts these shows, nor does he claim that he is reporting any news. This isn't the same as making up evidence to prove that a news story that is or is not true.

On the other hand, let's say that Sean Hannity was hosting what is billed to be a news program, say, the Fox Evening News with Sean Hannity, and during said broadcast, Hannity presents some evidence which claims to prove the allegations you state in your original post. The evidence later proves to be completely fabricated but Hannity continues to claim the story is true anyway. This would be an example of the sort of lie that I am looking for.

You were the one wanting evidence these guys are not reputable news sources, which I have easily provided. I didn't say these talking heads claim their news people either (though I believe each one has from time to time referred to themselves as journalists *cough*). I have clearly indicated twice that it's the viewers that have a "problem" separating opinion from real news. This in of itself isn't news however.

said by JakCrow :

I didn't realize you watched that too. My condolences.

I don't, I just based my original assertion that The View was on another channel based on the fact that it does not appear in the FOX News programming schedule :)

Oh. An irrelevant comment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909924 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:08:29 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909827 pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

Sean Hannity continues to "believe" Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria without any evidence, and despite the fact this never happened because there weren't any to move.

Sean Hannity tells you that he hosts an opinion show (both on FOX News and on talk radio), he never once claims to be an unbiased journalist when he hosts these shows, nor does he claim that he is reporting any news. This isn't the same as making up evidence to prove that a news story that is or is not true.

On the other hand, let's say that Sean Hannity was hosting what is billed to be a news program, say, the Fox Evening News with Sean Hannity, and during said broadcast, Hannity presents some evidence which claims to prove the allegations you state in your original post. The evidence later proves to be completely fabricated but Hannity continues to claim the story is true anyway. This would be an example of the sort of lie that I am looking for.

said by JakCrow :

I didn't realize you watched that too. My condolences.

I don't, I just based my original assertion that The View was on another channel based on the fact that it does not appear in the FOX News programming schedule :)
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said by pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

Oh what day of the week?

Since you allege these lies happen all the time, then surely you can name at least one.

said by JakCrow :

Sean Hannity continues to "believe" Iraqi WMD were moved to Syria without any evidence, and despite the fact this never happened because there weren't any to move. This is an amusing one since he's been grasping at it for 3 years now. Of course, he never lets the facts get in his way when he's spouting off the daily talking point. Next? :p

Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. Those would be the -viewers-, and as we can see, they're obviously easily duped.

I think The View is on another channel, dude.

I didn't realize you watched that too. My condolences.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909729 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:34:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909623 pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

Oh what day of the week?

Since you allege these lies happen all the time, then surely you can name at least one.

said by JakCrow :

Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. Those would be the -viewers-, and as we can see, they're obviously easily duped.

I think The View is on another channel, dude.
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said by pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

The idea that some people consider these guys reputable news sources is laughable.

Prove that they aren't.

Oh what day of the week?

said by JakCrow :
Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. I guess that explains why they're so wrong about things like the rule of law and such...

Which opinion shows on FOX do not specifically identify themselves as such?

Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. Those would be the -viewers-, and as we can see, they're obviously easily duped. I rest my case. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909569 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:05:44 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909500 pnh102 :

said by JakCrow :

The idea that some people consider these guys reputable news sources is laughable.

Prove that they aren't.

said by JakCrow :

Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. I guess that explains why they're so wrong about things like the rule of law and such...

Which opinion shows on FOX do not specifically identify themselves as such?
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said by morbo :

God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do.

How would you know? I thought God only talked to George W. Bush :)
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no sig]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909171 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:09:24 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909140 Toadman :

said by morbo :

a prayer

I wonder if God will answer a prayer that goes against one of his 10 commandments? Your post wins the award for one of the most tasteless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16909140 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 14:05:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908846 pnh102 :

said by bmn :

Depends... Most of the lying on Fox comes from their commentary shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and others where its all about opinion and politics.

If you look at someone like Bill O'Reilly, the most trouble he's been in was not due to his lying in his presentation, but rather due to sexually herassing a female coworker. Again, that's not lying.

As for the other commentators, where have any of them been involved in a scandal such as the ones I mentioned with the NYT, CBS (and CNN, as was mentioned in another post)? I guarantee that if any FOX News contributor was caught in such a lie, it would still be the lead story on every other network even to this day.

said by bmn :

Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.

So then they are not lying.

said by bmn :

Why a news channel needs such programming is beside me because political hacks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Franken, etc. etc. have NO NEWS VALUE. So, why put them on a NEWS channel ?

This practice is not exclusive to FOX News. CNN and MSNBC also have their fair share of opinionated commentators. While they may not be charged with presenting the news per se, there is obviously a value in having opinionated commentary (when it is presented as such).

said by bmn :

Fact is, the state of news media in America is declining... Fox is as big of a problem as the others.

Again though, of all the major news outlets, FOX News has avoided falling into the "Fake News" traps that have ensnared other news organizations. I would dare say that the "decline" of other news outlets is due moreso to the poor quality of the product (i.e., a lack of even basic fact checking) than anything else.

said by bmn :

There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.

I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.
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As for Fox "News" ratings, they are no more impressive than the number of Roman citizens that would go to the Colloseum to watch Christians tortured. Ol' Rupert is laughing all the way to the bank, as his "news" network producers wait for the next dead blonde white girl and Old Glory waves in the lower corner of the TV screen. And the fools who buy their brand of propaganda think they're getting the straight scoop because Bill O'Reilly, whose father never loved him, can and does shout down his guests. Welcome to American entertainment, 2006.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908775 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 13:15:33 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908438 footballdude :

said by kamm :

Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies &manipulations via so-called "news" programs.

Introduced? Even if you really believe all of Fox News is lies, you can't make a case that they were the first.
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said by pnh102 :

Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie?

Depends... Most of the lying on Fox comes from their commentary shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and others where its all about opinion and politics.

How does it measure up against other news outlets when it comes to getting caught in a major news-related scandal (i.e., something akin to the New York Times and the Jayson Blair scandal, CBS and the fake memos scandal, etc.)

Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.

It seems all of FOX News' detractors who claim that their content is somehow "fake" often don't realize that compared to other "news" sources, their record is actually pretty clean.

When it comes to outright lies, yes. But Fox doesn't need to lie outright. It has its "commentators" of the Hannity and O'Reily ilk to do it for them.

Why a news channel needs such programming is beside me because political hacks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Franken, etc. etc. have NO NEWS VALUE. So, why put them on a NEWS channel ?

Fact is, the state of news media in America is declining... Fox is as big of a problem as the others.

There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.

Its odd how the media in American seems to resemble the Politbureau more and more...
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a true "turd bird"

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908203 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:38:37 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908191 Transmaster : Fox News didn't suck up to Saddam in Baghdad like CNN did, remember CNN let the goons at the Iraqi Ministry of Information censor their stories so they would not get kicked out of the country, and they failed to tell anybody listening about it.
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Nope. Trying to find something else withing the last 10 years with no results. Just don't tel me that FOXNEWS is a news channel.

And you know why they have such high rating? Cause all Christian fascists (they have noting in common with Christianity) and right-wing zealots are watching ITS.

And we have lots of those individuals now as there is a favorable condition for them created by Bushists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908125 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:24:17 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908122 pnh102 :

said by bmn :

Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind...

Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie? How does it measure up against other news outlets when it comes to getting caught in a major news-related scandal (i.e., something akin to the New York Times and the Jayson Blair scandal, CBS and the fake memos scandal, etc.)

It seems all of FOX News' detractors who claim that their content is somehow "fake" often don't realize that compared to other "news" sources, their record is actually pretty clean.
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Just the facts, mam....

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908069 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:14:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16908065 bmn :

said by Transmaster :

Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have

Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind... All pundits need to be dropped in the ocean... Except maybe for Colbert since he makes fun of all them.

As the punchline of the joke goes... It a would be "a good start."
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said by Transmaster :

Around here we call CNN the Communist News Network :)

I have got to get more creative... I've just been calling it crap :)
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said by rachelsfx :

Funny, CNN is the Clinton News Network even according to Democratic Strategists. Ted also married Jane "Treason" Fonda, and Ted has a perverse hatred for anything Christian. I thought it was funny Ted lost billions in the AOL mess.

Around here we call CNN the Communist News Network :)
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said by Transmaster :

Eat your heart out CNN Here have some heart burn Kamm

LOL People still watch CNN? :)
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said by kamm :

Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies &manipulations via so-called "news" programs.

Perhaps you should write to your congressmen and ask them to shut down FOX News then, as they were quite happy to do threaten to do that to ABC when they exercised their rights to "free" speech.
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Here have some heart burn Kamm

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907835 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:35:32 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907804 rit56 : you write......
"regardless if it was historically correct or not."a willingness to accept lies as an acceptable portrayal of historical times in our countries history is pathetic don't you think? even making a statement like that is frightening. you're saying as long as it suits my side of the argument it's fine because it is good entertainment and it's fun to see the other side trashed on tv.. how many people will watch something like that and believe it. you sir sum up what is wrong with this country. "your" side has this us against them mentality as if this were a football game. the blaming of one political party over the other is exactly the problem .... remember the constitution? "We the People?" "We"...... their lies hurt your side as much as the other. they can put out as much propaganda as they wish but not many people are buying it anymore. 37% approval rating. after all 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, one month after he ignored a report from the CIA titled "Bin Laden determined to attack the USA" plus how they screwed up Katrina..... go ahead and flame me. I'm for America not one party and frankly I'm a bit tired of being lied to by the party that controls all 3 branches of government plus I'm tired of getting screwed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907804 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:31:20 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907751 rachelsfx : Funny, CNN is the Clinton News Network even according to Democratic Strategists. Ted also married Jane "Treason" Fonda, and Ted has a perverse hatred for anything Christian. I thought it was funny Ted lost billions in the AOL mess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907751 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:22:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907664 Gwailo :

Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies & manipulations via so-called "news" programs.

Whoa ... you're implying Ted's CNN doesn't do the same thing with the opposite twist? Let them both report and let us decide. We're d--- lucky we have enough [current] press freedom to at least get two sides. Let us both hope we don't lose that because any time that Willie Bill wants to block a movie on ABC ... it's getting "scary," regardless if it was historically correct or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907664 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:05:43 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907656 subman87 :
Murdoch & Jane Fonda..... now we be talking about 2 turd birds.
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" more is lost by indecision than wrong decision."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907656 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:03:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907598 malvado6 : If Murdoch's out, then I'm in.

We don't do News Corp in this house.

Maybe Murdoch's next move will be to divest his American Citizenship that he bought from the Republifreaks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907598 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:54:09 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907555 kamm :

said by Gwailo :

Sometimes I think Mr. Murdoch is the modern equivalent to Ted Turner. Both are "red necks" and both were a bit ahead of their time. At least Mr. Murdoch didn't marry Jane Fonda.

Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies &manipulations via so-called "news" programs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907555 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:47:51 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907540 Gwailo : Sometimes I think Mr. Murdoch is the modern equivalent to Ted Turner. Both are "red necks" and both were a bit ahead of their time. At least Mr. Murdoch didn't marry Jane Fonda.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16907540 Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:44:00 EDT