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Re: I can already hear the conversation How many of those 750,000 do you really believe conciously understand that they're paying insane amounts of money to lease sub-par technology? |
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said by Karl Bode:How many of those 750,000 do you really believe conciously understand that they're paying insane amounts of money to lease sub-par technology? She had children and grand children to assist her in a better decision. I make sure my parents(in their 80's) aren't getting ripped off. It isn't the job of a business to be a welfare agency for people who make bad decisions.
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said by Karl Bode:How many of those 750,000 do you really believe conciously understand that they're paying insane amounts of money to lease sub-par technology? If they have the ability to read, then they should understand.
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Skalko said bills are clearly marked, and customers can quit their lease any time by returning their phones.
Strogen says she's not a big fan of her new push-button phone.
"I'd like to have my rotary back," she said. "I like that better."
Just because someone is old doesn't mean they lose the ability to make a decision nor read like the rest of society. If they do, then they souldn't be living on their own but in an assisted living facility.
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It isn't the job of a business to be a welfare agency for people who make bad decisions.
But it is their job to take advantage of the elderly by over-charging them for services? I guess that's where we differ. I like justice. |
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It isn't the job of a business to be a welfare agency for people who make bad decisions.
I like justice. No, I believe what you like is a paternalistic, socialist state where the government makes all the important decisions for people and protects them from themselves. A state where prices are determined by the government. A state that is anti-capitalist. A state like Cuba and now Venezuela; states that are in the economic toilet or rapidly going there.
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No, I believe what you like is a paternalistic, socialist state where the government makes all the important decisions for people and protects them from themselves.
Wow. There you go with the extremes again. I'd like just a functional uncompromised regulatory authority that held corporations accountable for sleazy activity.
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said by Karl Bode: quote:
It isn't the job of a business to be a welfare agency for people who make bad decisions.
But it is their job to take advantage of the elderly by over-charging them for services? I guess that's where we differ. I like justice. 61 years of age in 1985.
Hardly elderly. (even in 1985).
She simply isn't a smart shopper. It is her fault, let her pay.
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New Jersey-based Lucent Technologies, a spinoff of AT&T that manages the residential leasing service, said customers were given the choice option to opt out of renting in 1985. The number of customers leasing phones dropped from 40 million nationwide to about 750,000 today, he said.
that's not bad considering 40m to 750k. Some people just like the fact if it breaks they don't have to fix it. Some people have inline for just this purpose. It breaks they call someone else to fix it.
True, for our purpose most of us can fix the relative's lines and such. But for some people who just don't have anyone else to fix things like this it might be ok for them. Some people just don't have anybody else to take care of stuff like this and they are just as alone till they die. Radiodoc is right people get set in thier ways they can't change it. Remember in the movie "Bruce Almighty" that bruce could not adjust "free will"? well if you cannot adjust "free will" what do you do?
Some people even rent cable modems (true you can buy them) but they figure if it breaks someone has to fix it not them. If I knew that someone would replace my DSL modem for free if I paid them a "rental/replacement fee" I would not mind. After all a replacement modem is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people would rather pay than put up with it, or figure out where to get a new one.
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Skalko said bills are clearly marked, and customers can quit their lease any time by returning their phones.
Strogen says she's not a big fan of her new push-button phone.
"I'd like to have my rotary back," she said. "I like that better."
Now that is interesting, the fact she likes the rotary phone better. Some people just don't like change. Unfortunatley we as geeks and techs have to accept that. Besides, if she likes it better who's to argue with her? Ever hear that old saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."?
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Assume she wasn't senile, she was simply foolish. That advocates taking advantage of idiots. I don't support that either, though this entire country is founded on it and many here apparently applaud it as a virtue.
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How many of those 750,000 do you really believe conciously understand that they're paying insane amounts of money to lease sub-par technology?
You'd be surprised. My Mom was well aware of the situation but simply hated calling the phone company. She thought she'd need to return the old phones and didn't know where they were.
I finally broke down and called in for her in 1998. They didn't care about the old phones, lol.
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How gratuitous your insults have become. |
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said by Karl Bode:How unfashionable pointing out right and wrong has become. I am fascinated by what you consider to be "wrong"...
A legally operating for-profit company provides a service at a clearly specified price that a customer willingly subscribes to and is free to discontinue at ANY time with no penalty...and this is somehow wrong.
Maybe she LIKED the phone...eh?
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I am fascinated by what you consider to be "wrong"...
Taking advantage of people is morally muddy to you, huh? |
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Yeah I'm totally out of control. Sometimes I just flare up like a rash and start attacking people virtually, frequently for no reason. I think it's personally some kind of displaced aggression because I have serious emotional issues. I'm not sure. |
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said by Karl Bode:Taking advantage of people is muddy to you, huh? You have failed to point out how she was "taken advantage of"...you have simply expressed your opinion.
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said by Karl Bode:Yeah I'm totally out of control. Sometimes I just flare up like a rash and start attacking people virtually. I think it's personally some kind of displaced aggression because I have serious emotional issues. I'm not sure.
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$14,000 being too much to charge old people for a rotary phone is not an "opinion". Discussing anything reasonably with free-marketeers and their endless moral relativism is like boxing clouds.
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kudos:3 | said by Karl Bode:$14,000 being too much to charge old people for a rotary phone is not an "opinion". Discussing anything reasonably with free-marketeers and their endless moral relativism is like boxing clouds. It is really more about "free will"...she was free to do whatever she wanted, she did what she did and now there is a "big uproar".
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Can you blame a stupid person? No
It just can't believe nobody told her to "just go buy a phone they come free with the plan."
Unless she is locked up in her home and has never seen the world or the street for that matter.
You can't blame a company for someone's ignorance. Taking advantage not likely it was a service they provided probably long ago and she still wants it. She never called and say "I want to cancel".
So if she had no problem with paying monthly for a phone, how can that be "taking advantage" of someone? |
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