Yup, RayW, you are the only one so far in the thread that sees the point I see in all of it. Leaving aside all the business and ethical issues being discussed so vigorously in the other posts, Ma Bell's old black rotary phones were built to last. They may not have been pretty, with personal ringtones and shaped like Minnie Mouse for the kid's room and all that, but damn, they worked. All the time.