 ZaberWhen all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH
1 edit | Sorry to say.... I am sorry to say this; but how is this different than the way IE or Firefox acts by default? IE takes you to the MSN search site and Firefox takes you to Google.
Now that question is out of the way.....Why the hell are these companies willing to do so much just to drive up their numbers? Why is it so hard for an ISP to be just that an Internet Service Provider, just provide a dumb pipe and the services required to use it.
One more thought, the majority of us that know enough to know what a bad idea these DNS hijacks know how to switch to other DNS servers. Its not like VeriSign tried pulling this(again).
Edit: Corrected name of scumbag company that instituted sitefinder. |
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1) Because the Internet is more than HTTP and websites, and this behavior can affect the way the Internet operates for you.
2) You can control you applications. You cannot control this service. For instance, none of my computers running Firefox take me to Google if I type in a bad URL. As far as I know is is default behavior. You need to type in a URL with no www. or .xxx to trigger Google search in Firefox. |
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ZaberWhen all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH | said by riturno:This is different because: 1) Because the Internet is more than HTTP and websites, and this behavior can affect the way the Internet operates for you. 2) You can control you applications. You cannot control this service. For instance, none of my computers running Firefox take me to Google if I type in a bad URL. As far as I know is is default behavior. You need to type in a URL with no www. or .xxx to trigger Google search in Firefox. And why can you not change your DNS servers to say 4.4.4.1 and 4.4.4.2 for example. You don't need to use your ISP's DNS, I don't. If this were VeriSign playing the god of domain names with sightfinder again, then this would worthy of outrage. This is just some two bit ISP trying to make another buck on the unsuspecting masses. Business as usual. If you don't like EL methods change providers, it is truly that simple. If you are one of the people that have no other choice (not sure that is anywhere for EL) my condolences.
As I said before I wish that the ISPs would not interfere with the content, but that is all that this is and can be bypassed with a very basic knowledge of how the Internet works.
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 algPassionately apatheticPremium
join:2001-04-10
Houston, TX
kudos:3 | reply to riturno
said by riturno:2) You can control you applications. You cannot control this service. For instance, none of my computers running Firefox take me to Google if I type in a bad URL. As far as I know is is default behavior. You need to type in a URL with no www. or .xxx to trigger Google search in Firefox. Actually it does take you to google depending on what you type. I have become so accustomed to simply being able to type, for instance just 'dslreports' into the addy bar and arriving here after Firefox does a Feeling Lucky search on the term. However when EL nerfed the DNS I go to their damn redirect page. Really annoying.
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | reply to Zaber
said by Zaber:said by riturno:This is different because: 1) Because the Internet is more than HTTP and websites, and this behavior can affect the way the Internet operates for you. 2) You can control you applications. You cannot control this service. For instance, none of my computers running Firefox take me to Google if I type in a bad URL. As far as I know is is default behavior. You need to type in a URL with no www. or .xxx to trigger Google search in Firefox. And why can you not change your DNS servers to say 4.4.4.1 and 4.4.4.2 for example. You don't need to use your ISP's DNS, I don't. If this were VeriSign playing the god of domain names with sightfinder again, then this would worthy of outrage. This is just some two bit ISP trying to make another buck on the unsuspecting masses. Business as usual. If you don't like EL methods change providers, it is truly that simple. If you are one of the people that have no other choice (not sure that is anywhere for EL) my condolences. As I said before I wish that the ISPs would not interfere with the content, but that is all that this is and can be bypassed with a very basic knowledge of how the Internet works. Unfortunately Verizon isn't playing host to those with crappy DNS anymore 
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ZaberWhen all are gone, there shall be none
join:2000-06-08
Cleveland, OH | Unfortunately Verizon isn't playing host to those with crappy DNS anymore
I didn't even realize those were Verizon IPs, just very east to remember. I did a nslookup of 4.1 an 4.2:
> server 4.2.2.1
Default Server: vnsc-pri.sys.gtei.net
Address: 4.2.2.1
> gateworld.net
Server: vnsc-pri.sys.gtei.net
Address: 4.2.2.1
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: gateworld.net
Address: 74.52.37.54
> server 4.2.2.2
Default Server: vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net
Address: 4.2.2.2
> yahoo.com
Server: vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net
Address: 4.2.2.2
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: yahoo.com
Addresses: 66.94.234.13, 216.109.112.135 They still seem to be working. At least from AT&T DSL that is.
Here are a few free DNS servers, run by the OpenDNS group: »www.opennic.unrated.net/public_servers.html
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Wow. Did I say you had to use your ISPs DNS servers? Nope. You asked how this is different from the behavior of an application on your machine. It clearly is different. Nothing is stopping us from using other DNS servers. |
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It's true google, yahoo, MSN, Windows live does redirects BUT none of them do this, read on to find out (I'm sure there are others that experienced this as well)....
Before I changed my DNS servers to the no-redirected ones every time I tried to connect to any of my machines at home, within my own network, I was redirected to some whacked out 209.... ip address. Hello! everything internal is 192.168 why the freak'n snap where my internally assigned DHCP machines responding as "MachineXX.earthlink.net" Did I suddenly join the Earthlink.net domain without knowing it? Do I need to log into my local machine with ELN\opid! Come on! Before I figured out it was the stinking redirects I had to create host files and assign static ip's on each one of my machines (5 of them) so they could all see each other again. This was alright for the desktops and server but my two laptops I specifically wanted DHCP assigned addresses as I do alot of traveling. It was bad enough that they were redirecting my www.goooooooooooooogle to their "helpful" search page but why did ALL of my INTERNAL pings to my INTERNAL machines resolve to an internet IP address of 209.....
The bean counters and sales slobs need to stay OUT of the internet because if ELN keeps this up they will be the next AOL! I'm afraid they are already going down that road. I agree with the comments posted here. I've had great service with them up to know. I started dial-up 6 years and they were the only ISP where you could dial-in and literaly be connected to the internet for two weeks with dropping the connection (I had two phone lines)! I moved to ELN Cable 2 years later and it has only been down 3 times in 4 years and two of those times it was due to hurricanes.
ELN don't turn your name into another curse like AOL!
AOL SUCKS! |
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