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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | How Do They Know This Works? TOR has already been proven to be a failure as the recent busts by the non-oppressive German government have shown. How can the creators of this software be sure that a repressive regime won't be able to trace traffic browsed by this software as well?
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|   Jerm
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kudos:2 | huh "busts"? I think you need to research these "busts" a little more.
There was a large pr0n sting and police were just basically raiding all the IPs (ie machines) that hit the site - it just happend to be that a couple TOR servers were on the list. After the police realized what the servers were, and not someone's personal system, there was no more problem. | |
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1 edit | Re: huh "busts"? said by Jerm:There was a large pr0n sting and police were just basically raiding all the IPs (ie machines) that hit the site - it just happend to be that a couple TOR servers were on the list. After the police realized what the servers were, and not someone's personal system, there was no more problem. That's exactly what will happen if a repressive regime decides to pursue a similar crackdown, except that there being "no more problem" afterwards might not be the outcome that one would like.
An ideal "concealment/encryption" system should leave no footprints, no IP address, no logs, no nothing. Whether or not this is technologically possible remains to be seen.
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| | |  peter_mPremium
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1 edit | Re: huh "busts"? Dude, you have a point if and only if the final TOR server is within the same oppressive country. As soon as one of the servers is outside the oppressive gov's jurisdiction or that one of the ISPs has less then complete logs, the chain is broken!
Also, I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible to make sure the last TOR server is not within the same country as the web server being visited. Since countries use usually predefined and know IP ranges, that is most definitely possible. | |
| | | | pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: huh "busts"? said by peter_m:Dude, you have a point if and only if the final TOR server is within the same oppressive country. This is just more icing on the cake in that TOR is not safe to use for truly anonymous network connectivity.
The makers of this software, as well as those involved in creating TOR, have blood on their hands if they advertise an "untraceable" service, when in fact it can be traced and those using the service to engage in banned political freedom "disappear" as a result.
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| | | | |  IsaacGoldingGet over it.Premium
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Jersey Shore, PA | Re: huh "busts"? Well the TOR site doesn't claim to be "truly anonymous network connectivity" It claims, and I quote;
"First, Tor prevents websites and other services from learning your location, which they can use to build databases about your habits and interests. With Tor, your Internet connections don't give you away by default -- now you can have the ability to choose, for each connection, how much information to reveal.
Second, Tor prevents people watching your traffic locally (such as your ISP) from learning what information you're fetching and where you're fetching it from. It also stops them from deciding what you're allowed to learn and publish -- if you can get to any part of the Tor network, you can reach any site on the Internet.
Third, Tor routes your connection through more than one Tor server so no single server can learn what you're up to. Because these servers are run by different individuals or organizations, distributing trust provides more security than the old "one hop proxy" approach.
Note, however, that there are situations where Tor fails to solve these privacy problems entirely."
End Quote.
SOURCE: »wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnio···tections
To summarize TOR "can improve your level of security" but it is by no means a perfect being. The FAQ I listed does answer a LOT of the questions and mis-conceptions about what TOR is good for and how it works.
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| | Re: How Do They Know This Works? the tor software did not "fail" in those circumstances. your statement is incorrect. police barging through your door and grabbing computers is an entirely different issue than whether or not a piece of software was able to conceal your ip address.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: How Do They Know This Works? said by robie88:police barging through your door and grabbing computers is an entirely different issue than whether or not a piece of software was able to conceal your ip address. I'm not disputing this. However, there are quite a few posters above that do not realize that TOR is not what they think it is. Those are the people who need to understand that.
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1 edit | said by pnh102:TOR has already been proven to be a failure as the recent busts by the non-oppressive German government have shown. Talk about your ignorant FUD. The Germans were going after purveyors of child pornography, not the Tor servers. And unlike in the U.S., the Germans were actually going after child pr0n and not simply using it as an excuse to violate the Constitution and illegally spy on Americans for political purposes.
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Mount Airy, MD | Re: How Do They Know This Works? said by major marco:Talk about your ignorant FUD. The Germans were going after purveyors of child pornography, not the Tor servers. You are completely missing the point. A lot of people think TOR is some sort of magic shield that prevents you from being identified online. The German government raids proved that this is not the case. My argument is that if the German government was able to find these servers during the course of a legitimate crime-fighting operation, then what is to stop a repressive government from doing the same thing against political dissidents?
What if such a dissident downloads this browser with the wrong idea that it will somehow protect him/her when visiting "objectionable" websites?
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