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Re: good move in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r16947453 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:46:54 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:46:54 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16961521 ArmoredSaint : Good news and a very good move. Hopeully other companies will start catching on. I hate to say it, but many company executives will never admit that outsourcing (offshoring) is, for the most part a complete failure.

I'm hoping the federal government will realize they are losing a ton of money on offshoring as well and will hopefully someday tax the crap out of any company that wants to offshore work (and no, I'm not a democrat).

Sometimes you just have to wait for a change in management for those concessions to come through. Hopefully over the next 2-5 years we will see a huge change in the tide.

I don't care what any studies say. Outsourcing, in particular, offshoring will **NOT** ever save a company money in the end.

When you calculate things like severance, vacation/sick pay, and training for the replacements, it just never adds up. You are better off just keeping employees on your payroll.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16961521 Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:48:46 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16950945 rachelsfx : They couldn't understand them either? :D :D :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16950945 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:39:21 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16950379 Voyager2K2 : Look at Dell.
We get customers who are so sick and tired of dealing with their outsourced warranty phone service they would rather pay our techs to fix the problem.
(I manage the PC division of a firm in Philly)
Bad. Really bad....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16950379 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:11:40 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16949351 scott2ya : Thank the Union! There was a strike a few years back, and this was one of the concessions!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16949351 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:32:15 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16948715 kdandaoc : Does this mean we will now get an American voice telling us his name is Aabharan?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16948715 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:38:55 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16948571 Michieru2 : Speakeasy does not outsource there technical support and the max holds times are 4 minutes or less. I rather wait 4 minutes on hold to speak to somebody who can fix the problem in 10-15 minutes than be 2 hours with the side of my head cooking from the cellphone radiation because I am trying to understand what the guy is trying to tell me. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16948571 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:15:30 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16948284 Steve :

said by TKJunkMail

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Besides the additional jobs, it should help make support calls work better.

... with much longer wait times. There is no way they can staff an equivalent number of union positions as they can with people in a faraway land, so the customers are going to be competing for fewer resources.

I suspect that the quality of the support will go up, and the resolution times will go down, but I'd be really surprised if this were a wash. This means more time on hold.

Too bad we can't change just one thing and leave everything else constant, eh?

Steve
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said by Vghrlt

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Amen on that!!!
Vonage are you listening?

For AT&T? They should have known better...

For vonage? Bring the jobs back to the U.S. and say goodbye to $24.95 phone service.
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said by morbo

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I'm no AT&T fanboy, but this is definitely good news and a good move. Nothing is more frustrating than overseas tech support that, more often than not, is a huge waste of time.

I agree. It is good to see companies like AT&T and Comcast and some others staffing their support centers with English speaking Americans. Besides the additional jobs, it should help make support calls work better.
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When someone finally ends up running the numbers, they will see how costly outsourcing was... :uhh: :huh:

Someone needs to get fired over this. :mad: :mad:
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Will Work for Ramen

From: »www.techsunite.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16947517 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:11:16 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16947453 djtim21 :

said by MagMan

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Good job AT&T it's about time.

I also say good job. But the whole reason for this was just to reduce the pay scale for these positions.

It's no different in the IT market. In the late 90's before the drop in the market, IT positions could make a decent wage (or more) just entering into the market. So then the market dropped, companies couldn't afford to have an in house IT staff, and sent support to other companies, and even overseas.

Now, you can find (in some cases) the same position paying from 10 to 50% less, doing the same work.

There were 2 groups who lost out on this deal - The people who did bust their ass to help at support, and the customers for losing the great support.

I'm sure they will be calling people back, but how much do you want to bet it's not going to be the same pay and they won't accept the job?
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Vonage are you listening?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16947381 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:46:03 EDT Re: good move http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16947164 Jim Gurd : More than likely the Indian call center reps did such a shitty job that they had no choice. My company outsourced its technical support helpdesk to India. They are totally useless. What most people do is call them just to get a ticket number assigned to the correct group and then call the person who will actually be fixing the problem and explain it to them. You might as well be speaking Chinese when trying to explain to them what needs to be fixed.
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They're doing this so close to the fourth quarter...don't be surprised if you see layoffs coming to pay for those 2k jobs.
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AT&T PR Meter: slight rise]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16946983 Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:39:34 EDT