 | Doesn't apply to universities Note that this doesn't apply to universities:
"The rules prohibit homeowner associations, landlords, state and local governments, or any other third parties from placing restrictions that impair a customer antenna user's ability to install, maintain, or use such customer antennas transmitting and/or receiving commercial nonbroadcast communications signals when the antenna is located 'on property within the exclusive use or control' of the user."
From: »arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···797.html
Note that this prohibits landlords but doesn't say anything about network owners.
So no, you can't open a network you don't own to the outside world. Do it at work, you will get fired, and likely sued. Do it at school and face consequences.
This just means your landlord can't tell you no wireless devices because it degrades their signal quality. Doesn't say anything about your ISP barking because you didn't enable WPA on your access point. |
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In addition, questions have arisen about the ability of homeowners associations, landlords, and other third parties to prohibit customer use of small antennas when consumers install and operate them as unlicensed devices.
In response, we reaffirm that, under the Communications Act, the FCC has exclusive authority to resolve matters involving radio frequency interference [RFI] when unlicensed devices are being used, regardless of venue. We also affirm that the rights that consumers have under our rules to install and operate customer antennas one meter or less in size apply to the operation of unlicensed equipment, such as Wi-Fi access points - just as they do to the use of equipment in connection with fixed wireless services licensed by the FCC." The "third parties" to me would emcompass a massivly large Multi person environment or MTE as the FCC put it and that would include a college or university or hospital or whatever else. In a college or university the landlord is the university/college, seems to me that this does apply to colleges. Moreover given this statement by the FCC, I would assume sinse a wireless access device that is being used without permission is unlicensed and therefore unless RFI (radio freq. interference) is happening there isn't much that can be done to shut it down, provided intellectual property isn't being damaged or copyright laws violated...
the FCC even stated only they have this authority, to say that a consumer has to shut down a wireless access point. However not many people would keep one up if legal action was threatened against them.... |
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 | But even if Universities can't legally say not to have Wifi hotspots, they can disconnect your internet for connecting a wifi hotspot to their network. |
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 | reply to raccettura Well I can restrict it in apartments, i enforce it. Esp when it will interfere with video i set up to monitor dumpster and parking lots.
Every law has a loophole in technology. |
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 1 edit | reply to raccettura "The rules prohibit homeowner associations, landlords, STATE and LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, or ANY OTHER THIRD PARTIES from placing restrictions that impair a customer antenna user's ability to install, maintain, or use such customer antennas transmitting and/or receiving commercial nonbroadcast communications signals when the antenna is located 'on property within the exclusive use or control' of the user."
Ummm...Aren't most universities run by a state government? Aren't Major airports run by state/county governments?
The FCC has consistently ruled against governments that tried to restrict or circumvent the FCC rulings in these matters. The only real difference is that a airport has not been involved.
There MIGHT be a glitch because part 15 gear does not require a license, but I doubt it will be found that a landlord has the power to restrict RF emissions coming from a tenants area because, under the law the tenant has the exclusive right to use and control of the area under his control, such as offices, ticket counters, etc.
The hangup here seems to be that they want their system to be airport wide. I dont see why myself. The most likely users of their free WiFi would be their customers in waiting areas and adjacent lounges.
All they really need to do is set up their system in their areas of the airport for customers waiting, etc. |
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 | reply to markopoleo said by markopoleo:Well I can restrict it in apartments, i enforce it. Esp when it will interfere with video i set up to monitor dumpster and parking lots. Every law has a loophole in technology. WRONG! Learn what Part 15 rules are. |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO kudos:1 | reply to Fatal Vector said by Fatal Vector:Ummm...Aren't most universities run by a state government? No, the vast majority are private. Even the state with the largest state university system, California, has only 43 university campuses compared to hundreds of private campuses in the state. -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://whip.isca.uiowa.edu Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher |
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 calvoiper join:2003-03-31 Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Even so, where this has come up (Dormitories) the Universities are landlords.
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 richk_1957If ..Then..ElsePremium join:2001-04-11 Minas Tirith | reply to markopoleo said by markopoleo:Well I can restrict it in apartments, i enforce it. Esp when it will interfere with video i set up to monitor dumpster and parking lots. Every law has a loophole in technology. Then you're breaking federal law, committing a felony, I believe. And the only people who can enforce it are federal officers. And even private areas can't actually restrict it ; what they can do is make life very difficult. In the case of private colleges, what they do is state in their rules 'use of wi-fi will result in your suspension and/or expulsion'. They don't have the teeth to actually stop you from using wi-fi, but they can [especially if it's a private college] suspend you from the college. You can continue to use wi-fi, but at that point you would be trespassing & subject to local laws on that. |
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 rawWar EaglePremium join:2001-01-17 Madison, AL | reply to masterpjz9 Correct, but that's a Terms of Service issue, not a spectrum issue. They can cut you off, but they can't force you to remove the hotspot (even if said hotspot connects to nowhere). -- [BBR]raw America's Army BBR Enemy Territory clan founder |
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 | reply to masterpjz9 said by masterpjz9:But even if Universities can't legally say not to have Wifi hotspots, they can disconnect your internet for connecting a wifi hotspot to their network. Correct.
We also have established laws prohibiting you from giving out access to a network without authorization (we call that hacking or social engineering). If you work at NASA and you give someone access to the internal network... you get in trouble.
There are so many opportunities to bust you.
I just hope nobody takes this one thing to seriously. The standard doesn't apply in most common situations. |
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| reply to richk_1957 WRONG its legal for me to block it.
Like all laws...as i said, loopholes abound, here is my loophole that is used ALL over the place by landlords.
The law does not apply if the landlord use includes reporting criminal activity, in my case i use for watching dumpster this is included since I have had previous people caught doing this.
Its not like I just make this stuff up, I don't spend thousands of dollars and not ask a lawyer to figure this out for me.  |
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 richk_1957If ..Then..ElsePremium join:2001-04-11 Minas Tirith | OK maybe you asked a lawyer, but I went around in circles about this very topic [interference with other services] with the FCC years ago [things might have changed since then] and it came down to this. The only regulation of RF transmission comes from the FCC. And there was a case of local police monitoring their impound yard and getting interfered with. The FCC issued a restraining order against the person transmitting for a period of time & told the police the had that time to shield their system, after which the person transmitting could resume operations.
And I've been told time & again, the only ones who can enforce the FCC laws are federal LEO. Anyone else, including local police [state, county, town] cannot do this - if they do, they are subject to prosecution. I've seen it happen.
This might be different than what your lawyer told you & with the latest laws from the DHS, is probably even more restrictive, but this is the summation of my communication with the FCC. |
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| reply to Fatal Vector The issue here is not the WiFi signal itself but the data it is carries. The data comes from the University network. This data is not allowed to be associated with unauthorized distribution.
You can have all the WRT54G WiFi routers you want. Just don't plug them into the campus RJ45 jack. -- The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. |
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 ZaberWhen all are gone, there shall be none join:2000-06-08 Cleveland, OH | reply to raccettura Why is this complicated? The FCC says that a someone, landlord, university, whatever cannot prevent someone from using the 2.4G portion of the spectrum. The university is well within their rights as the network maintainers to demand that no one may connect a wireless access point into their network.
In short if you want to run a hotspot get your own internet access and make sure it is not a violation of the TOS. -- Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for a lifetime |
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