KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Re: So I guess they didn't really prove said by MysticGogeta:said by fAcEtIOUs:said by FiL:Plus, 170,000 minumum wage jobs is NOT what the country needs at this point. The movie industry has numerous high paid UNION jobs. And any loss of jobs there aren't minimum wage ones. When your at the job who do they cut first the low paid shit workers and then they outsource the job out to india, the big ceos and high paid jobs are kept because they have skills higher pay doesnt mean they have any skills. a Plumber is more skilled then any CEO(a CEO probally has to call for help to plug in the coffee maker like other rich people) but gets paid "shit".
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fldiverPremium
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LOL; and who knows how many items are outsourced to countries like India?? |
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A plumber makes alot of money quite actually your metaphor is quite off. If I owned a plumbing company, and I had alot of jobs to do I would hire a few more plumber assistants to help me out, so lets say Joe does not work as hard as Smith and is not as skilled as him. Jobs slow down and I need to fire someone because of it I would fire Joe. This is the same idea just on a much larger scale. |
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said by Fountainhead:It's 38% of the problem.. So what is your point? That the MPAA and you are full of sh** is probably the point.
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...and 70% of those jobs will be OUTSOURCED |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | reply to wifi4milez
Re: Unions still strong in Hollywood said by wifi4milez:said by kamm:"Lies, damn lies and statistics." I would say that 70% counts as most people. Not really sure what figures you are going by....... Ummm for example "entertainment workers" which counts everybody within 150 miles radius of studio?  |
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Pittsburgh, PA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Members of many of these unions work maybe a half a dozen days a year. The majority of SAG mambers can barely afford to pay for the discounted health care plans it offers. Entertainment unions are like the steelworkers. |
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Re: So I guess they didn't really prove said by FiL:i hear what Beach is saying; why go after the smaller outfits head on, with all that tenacity? The AA's sue dead people. Grandmas. While Joe Publics on the street making a killin' off of 12cent blank dvd and cd burns. Im skeptical on the number of jobs being lost due to the piraters. One lost job in the "industry" means another new employee for the pirates! See, it evens out. Plus, 170,000 minumum wage jobs is NOT what the country needs at this point. The other part of the Nice going MPAA way not to prove your arguement, was when the RIAA/MPAA ordered the pirate bay to be shut down earlier this year (illegally in thier country per say) so with this report that's pretty much evidence that they did not have a case to shut them down as they originally thought. Now thepiratebay.org 's staff (after seeing this probably) will hand this to thier attourney for a harrassment suit. After all they proved that 38% of the internet was the problem, and 62% was not the problem. Either way they pretty much hung themselves.
So like I said Good job guys, try not to prove your point next time so the whole world can see how stupid you guys really are!
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| said by David:. After all they proved that 38% of the internet was the problem, and 62% was not the problem. Either way they pretty much hung themselves. So like I said Good job guys, try not to prove your point next time so the whole world can see how stupid you guys really are! Keep this post in mind when a thief breaks into your house and ONLY steals 38% of your posessions. Don't bother calling the police because 62% was left. So the theft doesn't count, RIGHT??
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by David:. After all they proved that 38% of the internet was the problem, and 62% was not the problem. Either way they pretty much hung themselves. So like I said Good job guys, try not to prove your point next time so the whole world can see how stupid you guys really are! Keep this post in mind when a thief breaks into your house and ONLY steals 38% of your posessions. Don't bother calling the police because 62% was left. So the theft doesn't count, RIGHT?? How about: when a thief breaks into your house and then copies only 38% of your possessions. Cause it's not like the movie industry doesn't have their product anymore. |
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Savannah, GA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
The jobs that are being lost aren't in movie production I bet (afterall i don't see any shortage of movies being made) -- they're in the distribution channels, retail sales, whatever else.
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Not asking the right questions.
What you should be asking is where did these numbers come from. Considering that most piracy is done in private and in secret how in the world do they compute lost sales? So where does the number of lost sales come from?
Another question is the value placed on that lost sale. Is a DVD $30, $20, or $10? I bet since the suggested retail value of most DVDs is $30 (even though never sold at that price), that means that the numbers are automatically inflated 2x over their true value.
What about song sales, do they count the going iTunes rate of $1.00 per song or do they go with the suggested retail price of $20 per CD? Again, that leads to a high inflated value.
Finally, what is the ratio of pirate items to lost sales? I am betting, again to maximize the number they report, they decide its 1 to 1. That means for every item pirated, thats an item that wasn't sold in the market, but is that really true? Is it really true that if the person couldn't buy an item pirated they would buy it at retail? So if can't download the movie they go buy a ticket? They go get the DVD? If they can't get the song, they go and buy the CD? I mean really, what are that chances of that being 1:1? I say none.
So, really, you are looking at a value that is exaggerated in every way possible. What part of the presented stats are even valid? Who don't know because no one asks.
Ever heard of the saying from Mark Twain? "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." The MPAA have an agenda and whatever data they present will be to maximize that agenda. Always always questions where the data comes from and how its derived. |
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