The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) in Digital Imaging http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17035076 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:09:44 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:09:44 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17047378 Hayward :
said by NoelC See Profile :

My understanding is that many of the intermittent hot pixels are the result of cosmic rays impacting the imager. We have all this wonderful atmosphere protecting us down here on the Earth's surface from most of that.

-Noel
Nottomention it constantly alternating between hot as hell and subarctic deep freeze... it far to low to be in a statioanry orbit... nor would you want it to be...in a target choice sense.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17047378 Sun, 08 Oct 2006 03:49:07 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17044209 altermatt : I join in with all your fans and friends here to applaud this new work, wish you luck, and thank OUR lucky stars we have you (and your great photos) as one of our "family".
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said by HRM See Profile :

I am guessing that you started with their altered image and not the RAW data for that second one.
No, I started over with the raw data. Note that my field of view is larger than theirs.

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What's the story behind how the ESO folk asked you to demonstrate for them?

I asked them if they needed any help, and I sent some links to images I have already processed. :) You never know until you ask.

-Noel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17043250 Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:59:28 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17043037 DrewCapu : They'd be crazy not to hire you.

Quick question: What's the story behind how the ESO folk asked you to demonstrate for them? Did they find your moon shot and say, "Hey, this guy should work with us!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17043037 Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:34:46 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17043007 HRM : Noel, I don't even have to look to know you improved the image, but I did and I like the blacker blacks among the other things noted.

I am guessing that you started with their altered image and not the RAW data for that second one. I think that puts you at a disadvantage since you can only correct their image and not make your own.

I would like to know how you were brought to their attention (I assume your moonshot floored them, but ..I would like to hear the story) and how you were approached. Who would have thought that splurging for a new scope would set your life off on this tangent.
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said by aloneworld See Profile :

Are they considering hiring you? BTW how do you differenciate a hot spot from a sun? =D
That's a very good question!

Here's how: Hubble images are acquired in black and white (luminance measurements only), and color images are created by combining luminance exposures taken through different colored (e.g., red, green, blue) filters. The "stuck" hot pixels that persist from frame to frame are already removed from the images by the Hubble "calibration" software, so... If I find a bright green pixel and no evidence of it in the blue or red channel, it's very likely not a real object. Real objects usually have SOME presence in two or all three channels. Also, good as it is, the Hubble does not focus even the very sharpest stars onto one pixel; they're usually spread across at least 2 or 3.

My understanding is that many of the intermittent hot pixels are the result of cosmic rays impacting the imager. We have all this wonderful atmosphere protecting us down here on the Earth's surface from most of that.

-Noel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17039416 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:06:16 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17039368 aloneworld : Are they considering hiring you? Because I think you'd be worth every penny they would spend on you.

BTW how do you differenciate a hot spot from a sun? =D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17039368 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:55:53 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17038716 Matt : Damn that Lenticular Galaxy in Draco is a gorgeous photograph.

Thanks for the beautiful new wallpaper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17038716 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:59:25 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17038593 JRSlater8 : Congratulations Noel. Keep brining us the stars!
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Congratulations, too! I agree with overhill See Profile - definitely well-deserved. :) Now we can all say that we knew you way back when....! :)
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I'm happy to report I have received an initial offer to work with the folks who make the images on this page: »www.spacetelescope.org/images/index.html
We're working out the details. :D :) :D :)

Regarding my computer, I already have a good one - a Dell Precision 470 workstation with dual processors and 4 GB of RAM. I wouldn't be able to do the things I do to these huge images without it.

-Noel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17038488 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:22:18 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17038179 Coma :
said by rog See Profile :

Looks like you might be acquiring a night job.

Perfect time for star gazing.


]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17038179 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:31:29 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037725 rog : The bottom one is quite spectacular. Looks like you might be acquiring a night job.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037725 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:03:24 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037512 captokita : Noel you've done it AGAIN!!!! Those pictures are AMAZING!!!! The 2nd is my wallpaper now, thanks! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037512 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:17:04 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037364 Tommyastro : Spectacular!!! Breath taking! Bravo! Encore!!!

Tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037364 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:31:39 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037126 popster : Amazing stuff! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037126 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:40:01 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037112 n8crwlr : Fantastic work on the images, I see a super computer in your future for editing new photos. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17037112 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:34:33 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036797 freeze : World Class.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036797 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:34:05 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036642 ryzst : Dr. Noel Carboni Rocket Scientist has a nice ring.

Interesting that with all their resources, the original compilers were so sloppy. They collect mountains of data and then either don't do anything with it or make a slapdash analysis that's 'good enough'. Often, years later someone will re-examine data that was overlooked or not processed and find something extraordinary. I believe some of the outer dwarf planets like Sedna were photographed, but never discovered because the images were never given a thorough examination. I hope your partnership can help do justice to some of these magnificent pictures that were acquired with such great effort and expense.

The hunger for more and more data seems to cross all disciplines and is growing at a very fast rate. When the LHC goes online soon, the data volume will be in terabytes per day. Who's going to to be able to look at that flood of data? I've read that they'll need to network thousands of computers across the web just to get a rough idea of what they're creating.

Maybe this push for more information and the processing power needed to examine it in a reasonable time will benefit us all in the long run. Who knows? There may be semi-sentient programs developed soon that can see patterns and order in what we mere humans only saw as noise.

Congratulations on your many achievements and letting us all see a little clearer.
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Hubble has always struck me as a incredible work of science and art. when you think of all the sophisticated motion compensation that has to come in to play for these lengthy shots to be made it's just mind boggling.

What type of computer and software did you use for your work?
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And reproduced small here...did you actually get to work on any FULL SIZED/REZ Hubble images?

Edit: And now that I have looked at the links, the second particularly, small looks better than the original x-large image by a long shot.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035758 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:21:16 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036524 Jeffrey : NoelC See Profile I don't know who the heck you really are, but this website is lucky to have you. I've been watching your photos for a while, and then when you posted that full-moon shot a few weeks ago, I think everyone that is on this site heard of you, especially with those 50,000+ hits. :)

I have a growing interest in photography, and I've always had an interest in the Universe, and your photos are really amazing. Mind-boggling really, I have very few words to describe what you post, other than simply unbelievable.

If these people don't put you on their team, I'll petition them personally to change their mind. Your posts here are a gift to this site. And that's it, I mean I have nothing left to say. I'm speechless. Have a good one.;)
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[Ramblings] [Gallery]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036524 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:52:06 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036490 PunkGod : I have no words. But I do have one.

DAMN! :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036490 Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:43:39 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036486 sirsloop : WOW... makes you really feel pretty minute! HAH! Remarkable!
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I'm just feeling rather insignificant, how about you? I mean, when you look at the galaxies in the background, and you understand that scale of our universe in the milky way, well, I wish we were capable of travel to see other worlds...

Thanks for the imaging work! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036306 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:55:03 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036243 vapochilled : you truly bring an element of education to every picture you post, I wish you the very best of luck in joining the team as you clearly have a passion for astro-photography.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036243 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:42:05 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036016 justin :
said by NoelC See Profile :

Theirs is a truly spectacular image, but I wanted to see whether I could improve any on the image processing they did, as I spotted a fair number of defects in the full-sized image, albeit minor ones. I'd love to know whether you think I did manage any visual improvement. Note that I didn't crop as much off the left and bottom as they did.
Congratulations!

I compared the two images, although I let the browser squash them both to fit the screen so I'm not sure what damage that did.

Yours does look to have a smoother graduation of the cloud as it fades into space whereas the nasa one looks more pixellated in that region, but "space" around the image does not look pure black in yours. You also lost some of the (don't know the technical word) clarity of the criss-cross lens effects on the two stars you included.

Honestly I can't tell which I prefer but perhaps you can post a stitched image with the two images at the same size, placed side by side? this would eliminate any JPG compression differences too..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17036016 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:51:49 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035901 wapu : Your NGC 6441 Image is amazing! It has a WOW factor that is off the charts. Incredible really. You are gonna force me to buy monitor software that will let me have multiple background images. ;-)

On the NGC 5866 image, I opened yours and theirs in my browser at full size and did a side by side compare moving around the image and focusing on background galaxies and stars that looked interesting.

I also downloaded their TIFF and opened all three in Photoshop and did a similar side by side comparison. I would center all three images at the same object and look at them.

I am no expert but since you took the time to process these and ask for comments, I figured the least I could do is look closely at them and tell you what my untrained eye sees. Forgive my lingo.

My assessment:
In your image the actual galaxy looks sharper and the coloring is less blue. I see that as an improvement.

I can understand their cropping out the left upper star. Having both it and the bright upper right star create a symmetry to the whole image that distracts me from the galaxy itself. I see that as a personal preference and not better or worse in either.

Where your image really distinguishes itself is in the transition of the "glow" from the bright of the center galaxy to the darker outer galaxies and stars. Yours is smooth and natural looking. Theirs is grainier and some of the sharpness of those objects in that glow is lost. You have made a definite improvement.

Focusing in on the bright star in the upper right corner, your image shows detail in the center of that star. Theirs is a big white circle. Even the more distant stars and galaxies surrounding that star are sharper than theirs. This is true all over the image.

My untrained eye says you have made an improvement to their image. I do not want to take anything away from theirs. I am sure I would have been truly amazed at it had I not had your superior image to compare it to.

Really great work and thank you for sharing these with us. I hope my comments made sense.
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Incredible... absolutely incredible!

I think I can throw my ETX-90 into the trash can now. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035692 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:54:42 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035594 rdavs : Wow Noel I'm so proud of you! What an honor to be asked to even look at Hubble raw data, no less process it! I so hope you are asked to join their team...you must be walking on air!

Congrats buddy!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035594 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:42:20 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035416 snipper_cr : Its pictures like this that STS-125 better happen. This will be the shuttle mission to service the hubble so it can operate for a few more years. Its worth the risk and needs to be done. You did an amazing job!
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This is out of this world's work!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035415 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:13:25 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035410 boatct : It was only a matter of time...

World class work, as usual. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035410 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:12:56 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035332 Bryon : Congratulations! It's great to see that you're getting credit for your skills.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035332 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:04:02 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035256 bobrk : Great shots, thanks for posting. I love seeing those little stars in the picture and, after looking more closely, realizing that they're galaxies!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035256 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:50:37 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035247 RowanDu : Thanks so much Noel.
Seriously I feel honoured that you chose to share this with us.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035247 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:49:20 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035241 Brian in MD : Noel, thanks for sharing this (and all of your wonderful images) with us!

You definitely deserve a spot with their team - I'll say good luck, but judging from everything we've seen here, you won't need luck!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035241 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:48:54 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035226 NoelC : The data is in the public domain, and I'm not adding any restrictions to my processed versions here.

Now, if you were to find a way to make money with them there may be some restrictions; you'll have to check with the Hubble web site, and I'll want a Viper if you make a million bucks. :)

-Noel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035226 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:46:33 EDT Re: The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035187 Edit This : Astounding just doesn't go far enough.


A BIG thank you for posting this.
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IS it safe to show friends and family?
Like these are hubble shots so is it ok for me to show em off?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035159 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:35:16 EDT The Hubble Space Telescope and Me (long) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035076 NoelC : Hi folks,

I have been asked to demonstrate my astroimage processing skills to the ESO folks who process Hubble Space Telescope data into images. Specifically, they've asked me to find an object that's already been photographed and is in the Hubble raw data database, but that's never been made into a full color image before (scientists take images for scientific study without ever making them into pictures as we know them). If they like what they see I'm hoping they'll offer me the opportunity to join their team.

I found one: Globular Cluster NGC 6441

It's a distant globular in Scorpius, and it's scientifically interesting in that it seems to contain one of the very few planetary nebulae found in a glob (faintly visible just to the right of the core), as well as an xray source / pulsar / possible black hole. These interesting things have been studied using the Hubble, but no one's ever attempted to create a full-color visible spectrum image from the various Hubble exposures before now. I assembled this mosaic from several dozen Hubble exposures taken through a variety of wide and narrow-band filters and using several different cameras.

This image begins to show off the amazing resolution of the Hubble Space Telescope. Keep in mind this image covers an area of the sky less than a quarter the size of the moon. And you should know that there are some Hubble exposures, for example of the central core, that are of a significantly higher resolution than shown here, as taken by the Advanced Camera for Surveys. However, I used the overall lower resolution of the Wide Field Planetary Camera II with which the entire cluster has been imaged.

Most Earth-based images show this cluster as just a blob. Here's a Google image search revealing existing NGC 6441 images online: Click here.

Without further ado, I give you NGC 6441 like you've never seen it before. I guarantee it!



Time spent processing: 5 hours.

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As I wanted to continue practicing and learning about Hubble data, I chose to process another Hubble acquisition, this time a galaxy: NGC 5866, sometimes also known as Messier 102.

It turns out the Hubble Heritage Project has recently shot some long exposures through wideband red, green, and blue filters with the express intent of releasing a nice image to the public. They took 3 single images with the Advanced Camera for Surveys (ACS). Red:Green:Blue exposure times were 65:47:37 minutes over a period of 4 HST orbits. You can see their version at these sites:

»www.spacetelescope.org/images/ht···24a.html
»hubblesite.org/newscenter/newsde···/image/a

Theirs is a truly spectacular image, but I wanted to see whether I could improve any on the image processing they did, as I spotted a fair number of defects in the full-sized image, albeit minor ones. I'd love to know whether you think I did manage any visual improvement. Note that I didn't crop as much off the left and bottom as they did.

I loved seeing all the distant background galaxies.



After opening the 600+ megabytes of FITS files from the Hubble database, stretching (brightening) the linear data, and normalizing the color channels, things I did to this image were:

• Cropping to a rectangular field of view
• Hot pixel removal (mostly with the healing brush)
• Alignment of the color channels within 1/4 pixel
• Noise reduction
• Sharpening
• Darkening of the diffraction flares around the stars
• Removal of several "doughnut" artifacts from the brightest two stars at the top, assumedly from the refractive optics added to the HST to fix the initial mirror problem
• Noise reduction in several bands across the image that appear to be the result of imperfect silicon fabrication.
• Contrast enhancement
• Increase of color saturation

Time spent processing: 5 hours.

-Noel]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17035076 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:23:49 EDT