Re: Expected in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17061195 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:47:19 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:47:19 EDT Re: Expected http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081320 sweintz :
said by Jafo232 See Profile :

The problem here is, there is no way to get "verifiable permission" from recipients. Even if their was, Spamhaus doesn't want to hear about it, they just block you.
BULLS!T. You certainly CAN get verified permission. You send one, and only one email when the register. If they don't respond (either by using an enclosed link, or replying via email) telling you it is OK to add them to your list, you don't add them. Simple as that.

I for one am happy they are getting a hard time. I cannot tell you how many times they have given my server a hard time and we send no bulk mailing whatsoever. We got on their list because a user reported a forum registration validation email as SPAM.
Was it a true validation request? In other words, if they ignore the email, they do not get further mails from you? Or is it a "forge in" type validation: ie: if they take no action, the signup is assumed to be valid.

I suspect it was the latter. In which case YOU ARE A SPAMMER.

Since they had received complaints from the owners of the netblock (i.e. the company that hosts my dedicated server) my IP was immediately blacklisted. What a nightmare that was.
OK, so the HOSTING COMPANY THEMSELVES complained to Spamahus about you? LOL. You musyt be clueless indeed. Please tell me your address ranges so that I can permanantly solder them into my routers ACL deny list.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081320 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:38:58 EDT Re: Expected http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17065920 Jafo232 : The problem here is, there is no way to get "verifiable permission" from recipients. Even if their was, Spamhaus doesn't want to hear about it, they just block you.

I for one am happy they are getting a hard time. I cannot tell you how many times they have given my server a hard time and we send no bulk mailing whatsoever. We got on their list because a user reported a forum registration validation email as SPAM. Since they had received complaints from the owners of the netblock (i.e. the company that hosts my dedicated server) my IP was immediately blacklisted. What a nightmare that was.

So now they are crying that someone wants to basically do the same thing to them. Well, you will get no sympathy from this guy. Perhaps in the future they will consider their heavy handed tactics a second time.

Other RBL services will take you seriously when you submit to be removed. Sorbs for example blacklisted my server and many using my host due to TTL's (they never actually received any spam) and after a week or two of discussion with the provider, was able to remove us.

Spamhaus on the other hand just basically says "Sorry, our model says your a spammer, therefore you are a spammer".

Well, now the Gov't says your guilty, so your guilty. Sucks don't it? They even got off lightly, because with the Government you get a chance to appeal.
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'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached']]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17065920 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:04:16 EDT Re: Expected http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17065211 deleteme : This whole thing shows what’s wrong with the legal system – you can sue anybody for anything without any basis whatsoever.

The fact remains, before any of this legal BS, is that you, me, an ISP, a company, this server, that server, whatever, can all elect of their own free will, to use spamhaus or not to use spamhaus. There are plenty of other anti-spam methods, who will apparently allow e360, if you don’t agree with spamhaus’s decision to block. If you think e360 sends spam, and you don’t want that kind of spam delivered to users on your network, that you control or own, then you have a right to voluntarily include spamhaus’s blacklist.

Any admin could just have easily made a rule on their mail server, without a 3rd party blacklist to block e360 messages, and they would be none the wiser – what are they going to do, go after everyone who operates a mail server? I’m paying for the server and bandwidth – not e360 – so yeah, I’ll decide what mail gets delivered or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17065211 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:16:42 EDT Re: Expected http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17061195 rachelsfx :
Solicited Bulk Email is an important mechanism for keeping consenting customers informed of products or service news. When Bulk Email is Solicited it is valuable to the recipient and therefore also to the sender. When it's Unsolicited it's purely Spam, an unwanted nuisance to the recipient, and, because it forces the recipient to assume the cost of receiving, storing and dealing with the unwanted advert it is also a theft of the unwilling recipient's time and resources.

The difference between senders of legitimate bulk email and spammers couldn't be clearer, the legitimate bulk email sender has verifiable permission from the recipients before sending, the spammer does not.


They help people create "mailing lists" also called SPAM! They are my customers, help me creat a list. Voila! Now I can spam all day long. LOL!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17061195 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:41:49 EDT Expected http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17060930 GeneStarwind : "I'm going to kill your wife, but boy will your ass be in trouble when I file suit against you for calling police on me who caused me to break my ankle because I attempted to flee the scene!" I consider this about equally moronic. Too bad the law and economics are rarely in favor of those in the right (in the truest sense of the word).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17060930 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:59:47 EDT