Keep Dreaming in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17080938 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:14:56 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:14:56 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086420 nalaregeork : Funny you should mention it

I don't live up there but I do get up there a bunch. Somone asked me to look into what could be done in a low population community. I asked a number of people who might be clued in and came to the conclussion that there was almost nothing that could be done. The CO was far from everyone and not all that well provisioned.
Bottom line was that even the most extreme distanced community wireless was going to cost them more then they could stand to pay. I had to assume that not everyone up there was going to contribute funds and some just flat out couldn't afford it. That bothers me a bit that it was nearly insurmountable to get them even a minimal broadband connection so they remain dialup users...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17086420 Sat, 14 Oct 2006 11:43:18 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17085429 short09 :
said by major marco :

the pending AT&T giveaway will be especially conducive to keeping the country at the bottom of the broadband penetration chart.
i wonder hoe much money fcc is gonna get out of this deal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17085429 Sat, 14 Oct 2006 03:33:33 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17083122 en102 : I'm sure there's some politics to it...
Most countries: DSL/Cable 'somewhat' subsidized to deploy, but higher cost
US: DSL/Cable corp will fight for market share where it is profitable, but ignore the rest. E.g. I'm sure NYC has a high availability and competition, while portions upstate may be left unserviced or serviced by one provider at a high cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17083122 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:59:54 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081527 squid7 : With the US population as large as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast alone has more broadband users and entire countries do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081527 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:14:29 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081494 BF69 :
said by en102 See Profile :

Also, many countries have a lot higher urban to rural ratio than the US does, which, in typical business speak, 'are not profitable' (actually should be seen as 'not profitable enough'). I may not always agree with the politics on it, but hasn't USF/FUSF slush fund already been paid into ?
Also as I said compare the small US states with large populations and ask why their broadband penetration is far behind those other countries. Aren't they of similar size and popuation density?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081494 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:07:37 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081444 en102 : I never said that the US is more broadband connected than the other countries...
To take your analogy in a different perspective...
A country that has 300 million people and 58 million of them are educated, while a country of 30 million has 7 million educated, the percentages are 19.3% vs. 23%, however, the overall amount of educated in the first country are almost double the entire population of the first. Ratios are one thing, raw numbers are another. 1 in 5 is easier to obtain than 1 million out of 5 million.

Also, many countries have a lot higher urban to rural ratio than the US does, which, in typical business speak, 'are not profitable' (actually should be seen as 'not profitable enough'). I may not always agree with the politics on it, but hasn't USF/FUSF slush fund already been paid into ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081444 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:00:38 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081050 BF69 :
said by en102 See Profile :

It should be also interesting to note, that the US has at least double the overall amount of broadband users than the next nearest country, and in some cases, more broadband users than some of the other countries total population (i.e. Canada has only ~30 million people vs. 54 million US broadband subs).
It should be noted that the US has more because only China and India have more people than the US.

So a country that has say 100 million people where 20% are literate is more educated than one that has 10 million, but 95% are literate, because the bigger country has 20 million literate people while smaller country only has 9.5 million?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081050 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:48:28 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081014 nalaregeork : Statistics are a great tool that politicians and people with a political agenda use to manipulate us all into thinking one way or the other.
I think monopolies are really our worst enemies I beleive in free enterprise the trouble is we are regulated to the hilt. If a small town wanted to wire themselves I think they would meet with a lot of roadblocks. Try and see if you can put a wire up on a utility pole (legally) and you will find out who really owns what.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081014 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:42:18 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081009 Yauch : "We still have the most total connections" You mean we're #1!!!

U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! U S A! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17081009 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:41:40 EDT Re: Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17080977 en102 : It should be also interesting to note, that the US has at least double the overall amount of broadband users than the next nearest country, and in some cases, more broadband users than some of the other countries total population (i.e. Canada has only ~30 million people vs. 54 million US broadband subs).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17080977 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:34:36 EDT Keep Dreaming http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17080938 major marco : The U.S. will never achieve similiar penetration levels of the EC or Japan. Never. At least until the telcos have their pet politicians pass a law that allows them to nix Net Neutrality and double dip. And the pending AT&T giveaway will be especially conducive to keeping the country at the bottom of the broadband penetration chart.
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The Toll]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17080938 Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:26:22 EDT