 izyPremium,MVM
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kudos:1 | oh please! the logic kills me! I'm frustrated at high gas prices, I guess I'll just go steal it next time I need some. |
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| agree. what's the point they try to make? is ok to still someone else work because they priced to high...
piracy is a crime. period. and you are as guilty for consuming as you are for distributing it. Want something, pay for it. To expensive, looks for substitutes.... |
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 GlenQuagmireGiggidy Giggidy Giggidy GooPremium
join:2004-02-16
Grand Rapids, MI | Troll Troll Troll! |
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wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to chemaupr
Like your opinion is going to influence anyone. HA!! Piracy is an artifact of an unacceptable market. The market needs to be fixed before piracy will be affected. It will not work the other way around. Piracy is only the response to the real problem.
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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Thats original. Someone posts a different viewpoint and you pull out the troll card. You do that to everyone who has a different viewpoint than your own?
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said by izy:I'm frustrated at high gas prices, I guess I'll just go steal it next time I need some. been there done that. |
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NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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said by wentlanc:Like your opinion is going to influence anyone. HA!! Piracy is an artifact of an unacceptable market. The market needs to be fixed before piracy will be affected. It will not work the other way around. Piracy is only the response to the real problem. puritan Not only does the market need to be fixed, but certain laws need to be put in place and a governing law enforcement body needs to be created to enforce the market. Enough with this RIAA/MPAA crap with them taking the law into their own hands. No matter how you cut it, piracy will always be around. There has to be stiff penalties in place for those who choose to pirate. I am not talking about jail time, but stiff financial penalties. An independent law enforcement group would fit that bill. A group that is not funded by **AA, but that looks out for all of us who have intellectual rights to property and defends them in cases of piracy.
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 Marduk
join:2004-09-05
West Chester, PA | reply to chemaupr
To expensive, looks for substitutes....
Torrent. |
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| lets try that again. A LEGAL substitue |
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puritan.
People want multimillion dollar productions for FREE!!! Tell me how in h*** you fix that.
It COST to produce a MOVIE. Music.. ahh, still cost some.
The point is you all want the best special effects computers can made, the best actor in earth and the best studios for free. You can not fix THAT.
The same go for music... what is the incentive for someone to dedicate their live to music and receive zero compensation.
You want expensive wine, you pay the price! |
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 swhx7Premium
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said by izy:I'm frustrated at high gas prices, I guess I'll just go steal it next time I need some.
A: "When prices are too high, piracy ensues."
B: "High prices justify piracy."
Izy: "A = B"
A is a objective observation. B is a value judgment. Do you really fail to understand the difference, or just pretend not to notice it? |
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 tsu9
join:2001-08-17
Wheeling, IL | reply to izy
Actually, this is more or less true. I help out the callcenter at work now and then, and our calls regarding syphoned gas and roadside assistance for people who "ran out of gas" on the highways were at their alltime peak when gas was hovering around $3.50. We notice this every time the gas spikes high.
It isn't universal, of course, but there is definate correllation, which isn't unlike what the MPAA guy said.
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ensues is not equal to justify
No question that the market prices may drive people to piracy. Which is an illegal activity. However, it does not justify it. You cannot justify someone stilling a 50-inch plasma because they do not have a TV.
Entertainment is expensive, it is in fact a luxury, you have to pay to receive it. Do not want to pay, well… go to the public events in your county and have fun. |
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 TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
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said by izy:I'm frustrated at high gas prices, I guess I'll just go steal it next time I need some. OK...except we aren't talking about gasoline or stealing gasoline. Go fish.  |
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 Thrudd
join:2004-06-21
Mississauga, ON | reply to Nightfall
said by Nightfall:Thats original. Someone posts a different viewpoint and you pull out the troll card. You do that to everyone who has a different viewpoint than your own? No its a TROLL .... of the big hulking stupid kind
It has been oft repeated to that copyright infringement (piracy) is not stealing.
How many time do people have to be told until you actually understand?
This is not an opinion .. its a damn defenition.
If you dont like it then rewite the dictionary some more. |
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Ah! I see it is time for the thread to deteriorate into the inevitable, lame assed, "downloading is stealing" argument again. Interesting to see who the industry trolls and supporters are. |
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And, unless the movie is a bomb, they make back that production money withing a couple of weeks. The rest, as far as I am concerned, is profit. And please dont expound on that tired crap about hidden costs, the actors (who were paid as part of the production cost), etc.
It's not that we WANT the "best special effects computers can make" (the cost is in the overpriced HUMAN at the keyboard), it's that it is in their best interests to provide same to keep the fickle mob coming to the theatre.
Except for a bomb, all the money that comes in internationally from theatres, DVD, TV, HBO, VOD is gravy. The studios are not hurting at all and I dont have any sympathy for them.
And, if the movie was a bomb, that's their own fault for not doing it right, or, marketing to Joe sixpack/nascar. |
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wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to chemaupr
said by chemaupr:puritan. People want multimillion dollar productions for FREE!!! Tell me how in h*** you fix that. It COST to produce a MOVIE. Music.. ahh, still cost some. The point is you all want the best special effects computers can made, the best actor in earth and the best studios for free. You can not fix THAT. The same go for music... what is the incentive for someone to dedicate their live to music and receive zero compensation. You want expensive wine, you pay the price! You show me any decent movie that did not reap most of it's production costs on opening weekend. Fact is that most of these movies are paid for MANY times over. Cry me a river.
And the crappy movies don't deserve to make money. You think that there has even been a product that flopped? SAme with movies and music. They can't all be hits.
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Nice comparison about stealing a 50" plasma and a song online. Just a bit much, dont you think? A 50" plasma is a physical thing, a download is not.
It's copyright infringement, plain and simple. The industry is wrong about going after individuals. It's stupid and self defeating because of the bad PR.
THe copyright laws were designed for corporate america, and those wholesaling music/video and PROFITING FINANCIALLY without permission (the REAL pirates, mostly overseas and essentially immune anyway), which is a thriving business OVERSEAS and NOT for the individual.
There is NO way to stop downloading. People will do so for a myriad of reasons regardless of if the industry likes it or not and they simply cannot sue everyone doing it. |
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said by chemaupr:People want multimillion dollar productions for FREE!!! Tell me how in h*** you fix that. It COST to produce a MOVIE. Music.. ahh, still cost some. The point is you all want the best special effects computers can made, the best actor in earth and the best studios for free. You can not fix THAT. The same go for music... what is the incentive for someone to dedicate their live to music and receive zero compensation. You want to fix the movie industry? Then you need to do a few things:
1 - Stop releasing DVDs three months after you release the movie to theaters. That sort of thing kills sales of both. People say to themselves, "why go spend all that money in the theater when I can get the DVD in a few months" and next thing you know box office sales are slow. We are already seeing the effects of this mentality.
To moviemakers: release your movie to theaters and run it to the ground. Then release it to the dollar cinemas and run it to the ground. Then release it to the pay per view crowd in cable and hotels for a month or so. Then the movie channels. AFTER you have finished getting as much money as you can from these revenue outlets THEN release the DVD (I'd say no less than one year after the movie has been released). I will guarantee higher revenue from each movie with this business model.
2 - Cut down on the double dipping. People are getting tired of seeing three or more DVD releases of the same movie. Try and stick with just two releases, the regular edition and the special edition. Maybe after ten years of a movie being in circulation you can make some anniversary edition or some other super-special, freaky-neat, bombastic edition.
To moviemakers: Initially release a regular edition with a decent amount of extras. While you do that ANNOUNCE the special edition will be released at a later date (with a ton more extras, multiple languages, neat case, etc). You will save yourself from a lot of unhappy customers that way.
3 - Stay the course on DVD prices. The DVD pricing scheme is just about perfect at this point. New releases at $20 and prices drop steadily over time depending on demand. These days you can see a movie put out on DVD six months ago end up at about half the price. This is a very good idea. It keeps people buying movies long after the initial craze of the release.
To moviemakers: Try and keep your "special editions" from going too over that new release price. You sell more in the long run that way.
4 - Stop flooding the box office with horrible movies. Too many times you see a flavor of the month style movie that really has nothing to it more than to try and capitalize on the latest craze. All this does is confound the consumer with a glut of crap that usually keeps them from even trying to go see a movie.
To moviemakers: Less crap means you spend less money in producing movies that take longer to get a return on (if at all). Less crap also means more people will see the better movies that are left, which means better box office draw all around.
Enough about the movie industry. The music industry is in a lot worse shape. It needs a major overhaul. How in the H E Doublehockeysticks do we fix that?
1 - Reduce the price of CD's. Pure and simple. It doesn't cost nearly as much to produce an album as it does a movie, yet the movie industry sells tons of movies at prices much less than a music CD. Bottom line is a CD is profitable at about $6 per unit mass produced in the initial run. So how about seeing new releases at $10 and older CDs less?
To record execs: The days of gouging your customer are over. Either adapt with the competition or continue to lose sales.
2 - Add value to your CDs. People can download tracks all day, but those people miss out on a pristine hard copy with cover graphics and such. How about also adding music videos to your CDs? Doing that now? Then go further. How about artist interviews? Lyric sheets uploaded to your computer? Alternate mixes? Exclusive content that goes beyond just the music tracks? The more value you put on that CD (that has a reduced price, mind you) the more enticing it is to buy.
3 - Stop screwing around with the online download business model. Simply sell the tracks at a fair price, with flexibility on bitrate and quality and WITHOUT any digital rights management. Lets be honest. DRM isn't stopping your music from being shared. So stop restricting the people who are actually buying your tracks.
To record execs: The days of gouging your customer are over. Either compete with the competition or continue to lose sales.
4 - Stop trying to control the media. MTV and VH1 have absolutely zero value in finding new music. Same goes for many of the top 40 radio stations. It's a glut. By spoon feeding the public the same music over and over you are choking your customer base, which will in turn look elsewhere. This is one of the reasons why P2P is so popular. Variety.
To record execs: There are tons of artists out there on your catalog. Take advantage of that and forget about maximizing profits with your for-hire music.
5 - Stop the stupid lawsuits. They aren't doing you any good. If anything they can partially attributed to your lagging sales (along with competing products like DVDs and video games). When you anger and alienate your customer base bad things will happen.
To record execs: Don't want people downloading for free? Follow steps 1-3.
The deal here is people will pay for movies and music, but the problem lies in how both industries are handling the situation. They are no longer competing for entertainment dollar, but are instead taking for granted we will take what they feed us. Downloading is a direct response to these unbalanced practices. The more these industries try and tighten their grip the more they lose. If they would just simply respond to customer demand sales will go up, and file sharing will go down. |
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