 DeeCPremium
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kudos:1 | Who doesn't .... use Limewire? I'm yet to think of one song that I couldn't find on Limewire..... awesome P2P  |
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| To be honest I have found Limewire lacking for many of the songs I look for. Then again the only client I have ever found to be pretty good at getting what I look for was the original Napster. No P2P client is perfect since it's "catalog" is dependent on the user base. |
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Free market capitalism at work If u can get a product for free, today, right now? Why would u ever pay for it? Seems like pretty simple economics to me. |
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DeeCPremium
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kudos:1 | reply to SRFireside
Re: Who doesn't .... Limewire is pretty damn perfect for the type of music I like  |
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DeeCPremium
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Re: Free market capitalism at work said by at work :
If u can get a product for free, today, right now? Why would u ever pay for it? Seems like pretty simple economics to me.
Heh ... and that is what is killing the Music Industry, heh  |
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said by at work :
If u can get a product for free, today, right now? Why would u ever pay for it? Seems like pretty simple economics to me. CDs are uncompressed audio files, which means superior fidelity to mp3 files (especially the 128k that are so common in P2P). CDs are a hard copy of the music guaranteed not to have corrupted data. Plus you get that shiny disk and cover with pretty pictures. There is still value in CDs and people are still buying them. |
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If u can get a product for free, today, right now? Why would u ever pay for it? Seems like pretty simple economics to me. CDs are uncompressed audio files, which means superior fidelity to mp3 files (especially the 128k that are so common in P2P). CDs are a hard copy of the music guaranteed not to have corrupted data. Plus you get that shiny disk and cover with pretty pictures. There is still value in CDs and people are still buying them. SR, I agree with most of your post, up to the corrupted data though. Once that disc becomes scratched/corrupted to produce read errors. One is out the money for the cd/dvd and has a worthless product, there are no free replacements, unless one has made back up copy(ies) of the media.
IMO, this debate is not about piracy as viewed by the **AA'S. The **AA's true intent is to kill fair use of purchased content.
What I believe rubs people the wrong way is, the DMCA passage. Hell pop in a dvd disc and what is the first thing one sees...a warning about copy right violation. DRM and other copy protection schemes all designed to prevent illegal copying. For instance look at the on-line music sales, what have we got, non transferable tunes locked to play on certain players, Sony BMG root-kits anyone?..etc,etc,etc.
In the **AA's eyes that means controlling ALL methods people use to enjoy legal products.
In order to kill fair use, they need a sneaky excuse, piracy and copyright infringement is the goose that laid the golden egg. It's very easy for the **AA's to look at computer sales . Then simply state anyone with a computer and a internet connection is a pirate, produce bullshyte stats which prove a need for Congressional interference.
I see nothing inherently wrong or evil using the try before you buy. It is an accepted form of business in society today. Such as dressing rooms in clothing stores. Test driving a car before purchase. Can one believe Supermarkets, Yes supermarkets!!
Is one a pirate for sampling an edible product these markets want one to try. Then after tasting, one decides not to purchase the sampled item.? Can that be termed a lost sale whether one liked it or not and no purchase was made?
How many people have gone to see a movie based upon a movie critics rave reviews, only to ask afterward, WTF was that critic smoking, because that movie sucked, I know i have.
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Bass....the glue of rhythm and harmony...the heartbeat of the band.! Shaking the earth with deep,sonorous vibrations.The dark ominous thunder of an approching storm. |
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| Pretty much concur with your statements. Regarding scratched disks a representative from the RIAA did say if you did purchase the media you can indeed download the songs for backup purposes. Also since new CDs aren't scratched right out of the case you can't really say they are corrupted from the source. That's like saying a file download is bad because you did something to the file after you downloaded it. |
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DeeCPremium
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kudos:1 | reply to SRFireside
said by SRFireside:said by at work :
If u can get a product for free, today, right now? Why would u ever pay for it? Seems like pretty simple economics to me. CDs are uncompressed audio files, which means superior fidelity to mp3 files (especially the 128k that are so common in P2P). CDs are a hard copy of the music guaranteed not to have corrupted data. Plus you get that shiny disk and cover with pretty pictures. There is still value in CDs and people are still buying them. Yeah, some people still buy them. The older public who have no clue what a mp3 is or how to get one, and the youngens who can't afford a decent mp3 player (& mommy & daddy won't buy one), that still carry around logic cases full of cds......
The rest of us, blah ....... haven't bought a cd in ages. |
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said by SRFireside:Regarding scratched disks a representative from the RIAA did say if you did purchase the media you can indeed download the songs for backup purposes. Also since new CDs aren't scratched right out of the case you can't really say they are corrupted from the source. That's like saying a file download is bad because you did something to the file after you downloaded it. I do not trust any statements made by the RIAA. I"m sorry i didn't offer more clarity in that post. I meant the cd's become scratched over time through use. Believe it or not , one cd actually shattered into hundred of pieces from a cd-rom that went South in a hurry...poof, gone up in smoke man.
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| I remember hearing about that happening with some of the older high speed CD-ROM drives. It's one of the reasons why after all these years the fastest drive is still no faster than 52x. The technology is there to make them faster, but the media just can't take the inertia. |
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