Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17109477 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:39:28 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:39:28 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17147035 jwsmiths4 : :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17147035 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:37:26 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17146908 insomniac84 : If you want to read the dumbest things ever read, search for "jwsmiths".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17146908 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:18:21 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17142303 jwsmiths4 : I'm going to site mark this as the dumbest thing I've ever read. Period.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17142303 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:50:20 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17142285 insomniac84 : Well I guess your the expert on all computer security, right? Microsoft should hire you. Unfortunately, Microsoft has made windows secure, and they are constantly making it more secure. The amount of error fixing that windows has gone through is matched by no other OS. And if you truly believe a Mac OS with very few people trying to exploit is more secure than windows, you need a head exam.
Plus everything you say to support Apple is moot when they publicly tried to blame microsoft for their own newb mistakes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17142285 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:47:16 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17140072 jwsmiths4 : The only way I figure is that Windows is MORE susceptible to "EBKAC" than Mac OS X due to it's flawed security model. It doesn't require admin passwords to make system-wide changes, users are often setup as admin accounts because the limited accounts are not powerful enough to do many things (including run MS's own games, etc.). At any rate I think the only thing you've managed to convey is your lack of understanding of computer security and your lack of understanding about what constitutes an appropriate response to an incident of this magnitude (or lack thereof).
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17140072 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:14:29 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17138625 insomniac84 : Errors Between Keyboard and Chair. You figure it out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17138625 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:47 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17138006 jwsmiths4 : Explain how Apple is MORE vulnerable than Windows. What is EBKAC? Is that an acronym for "Poorly implemented security model?" Macs are MUCH more secure OUT OF THE BOX and it is much harder to bring a Mac to the same lack of security that Windows give you out of the box.

Again: Did you even look at Apple's website?? They have links to anti-virus software (INCLUDING A FREE ONE) to help people. Maybe you're too THICK and ANTI-APPLE to see that though?

Think of this like a car manufacturer's recall: A defect affects 25 cars: those cars are fixed on an as-needed basis and no one else suffers. Another defect affects 10,000 cars: the manufacturer issues a re-call and everyone is told to bring their cars in for a repair.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17138006 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:10:49 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17137540 insomniac84 : Windows is only "crappy" and suffers from problems due to EBKAC.
MAC is equally susceptible to the same problems. (If not more)
But it is nice that if something only effects 25 people, fixing the problem can be easily ignored, but nationally exploited for advertising.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17137540 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:10:54 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17136602 jwsmiths4 : Talking to you makes people dumber. Have you even looked at Apple's web page setup about the virus that infected TWENTY FIVE iPods... considering this affected TWENTY FIVE iPods that was a perfectly acceptable reaction. You still haven't given any reason why Windows being such a shitty OS isn't at all to blame here.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17136602 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:56:59 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17136526 insomniac84 : No the reason why apple is a bigger issue that mcdonald's is because the context of the two incidents are entirely different. Apple screwed up and blamed someone else for it. McDonald's could have just referred people to the manufacturer, they didn't. McDonald's stepped up and took care of the problem themselves. It would be like target setting up a hotline for apple ipods. McDonalds did more than they had to. Apple did much less than they should have done and didn't even admit fault of any kind. Apple hates consumers, McDonald's likes them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17136526 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 21:46:18 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17134921 jwsmiths4 : Apple made a joke about how fragile Windows is. Irregardless of that joke McDonald's accident caused more damage than Apple's. The reason that the iPod incident is getting more attention than McDonalds is that the iPod has great name recognition and people are aware of it's presence.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17134921 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:15:54 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17134821 insomniac84 : Yes. Apple attacked a competitor, McDonald's supplier did not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17134821 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:55:19 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17132931 jwsmiths4 : And I fail to see your point because less than 25 iPods were infected by the 3rd party manufacturer while 10,000 or more McDonalds MP3 players were infected and yet the iPod issue is a bigger one?
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17132931 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:14:47 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17132215 insomniac84 : I know what you are saying, but what I am saying has nothing to do with creating the virus, just spreading it. I guess your stance is based on what your definition of is is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17132215 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:02:43 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17130390 jwsmiths4 : Oh my GOD you're dense. Re-read all my previous posts I've answered every issue you've raised a dozen times before. For the last time: APPLE DID NOT WRITE OR RELEASE THAT VIRUS IT WAS ALREADY RELEASED AND HAD BEEN DETECTED AND INFECTED OTHER MACHINES BEFORE THIS iPOD INCIDENT.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17130390 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:01:31 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17130322 insomniac84 : Apple advertises that windows is insecure, then releases a virus to help prove their case. It's got to be illegal. That would be like advertising a competitor is poisoning their own food, then getting caught breaking in at night poisoning the special sauce.

And yes their is a huge difference between McDonald's and Apple. If a company caterer's a dinner with McDonald's food and everyone gets sick. It's not the company's fault, but the company can cal 911 and get people help, rather than just siting back and waiting for McDonald's to do anything about it.

If apple manufacturer's and sells a product that spreads a virus, it is their fault. Just because they get a cheap manufacturer to make their product, it's still their product and manufacturing issues are still their responsibility.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17130322 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:48:05 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17130252 MysticGogeta : Who cares get over it jesus christ :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17130252 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:31:15 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17129930 jwsmiths4 : Oh so just because McDonalds isn't primarily an MP3 maker they shouldn't at all be liable for their product? Right, that makes SO much sense. Let me enlighten you as to something - Apple, Dell, HP, Gateway, etc. all sell a lot of products that are made by a very few 3rd party manufacturers. MOST products that you buy aren't actually made by the company that sells them. I don't see what Apple could have done above and beyond what they've already done in regards to this issue. They put a warning up on their website to warn all 25 people who were affected that they should make sure their anti-virus is up to date before they plug in their iPods or they can plug the iPod into a Mac first and have the Mac restore the iPod and then it won't be contaminated with the virus anymore.

Answer this question though: If Windows weren't such a shitty OS that is so easily infected with viruses why else would this be a problem?
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17129930 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:06:23 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17129515 insomniac84 : You still don't get it. McDonald's is not an mp3 manufacturer, apple is. If McDonald's get someone to make an mp3 player from them, it's the manufacturers fault if there are problems. With apple, they can contract out their own manufacturing, but they are still the manufacturer and are 100% responsible for their product.
And telling a consumer it's their fault your product caused them harm is pure garbage.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17129515 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:22:24 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17128917 jwsmiths4 : Do you honestly thing Apple wrote that virus? Noo... It wasn't "Discovered" on new iPods it was accidentally put there by some dumb Chinese manufacturer and not by any employee directly employed by Apple - probably the exact same way those McDonalds MP3 players (400x more of which were infected, yet you don't flame them... maybe McD's should drop NAV into each Happy Meal from now on?). That virus had been in the wild before it was ever on an iPod. If Windows were more secure then the virus that was on the 3rd party manufacturer's computer would never have been able to make it onto the iPod that was plugged into it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17128917 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:47:06 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17127062 insomniac84 : That's nice apple releases a virus and it's the users fault for not having purchased an anti-virus program. Apple should be offering free anti-virus to anyone who got an ipod that could have been compromised. Anything less is crap. And it is a criminal act to purposely attack a competitor with a computer virus. Had microsoft released a linux virus on 25 zunes, they would have been sued for billions and someone would definitely be going to jail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17127062 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:07:20 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17117277 jwsmiths4 : Read my posts - I never blasted McDonalds. These things just happen. Besides there were only 25 reported iPods affected - that's nothing. Apple probably sells 25 iPods/hr. Apple was responsible by acknoledging that the problem indeed exists and reminding Windows users that the best way to prevent against getting the virus is to have up-to-date AV software. Apple I am SURE made several pissed off calls to said manufacturer to redouble their QC.
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Causing problems for your own customers is much different then causing problems for someone else's customers for you own benefit. They claim windows is insecure, but it's only insecure when apple hides a virus on it's player to circumvent windows security.
And Apple is a hardware manufacturer, even if they contract construction out to a foreign company, they have full liability over construction as if they made it themselves. McDonalds, makes food, a promotional item with a flaw hardly makes them a criminal organization. Hell, maybe the same company made both devices and apple is responsible for both instances. I would bet that is the case.

Plus I think it's funny how the people defending mac now where probably blasting McDonald's two days ago.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17116275 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:49:08 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115853 jwsmiths4 : Whatever. You really need to pull your head out of your ass and see that this wasn't Apple trying to take down MS's crappy OS. Both cases (McDonalds and Apple) just demonstrate that these manufacturers in China don't care one iota about quality they just want to make money. I love how you can ignore one company's mess up just to pick on another company..
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115853 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:58:53 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17114710 insomniac84 : McDonald's doesn't sell mp3 players and advertise about how insecure windows is. Apple does. Had McDonald's mp3 players had a virus designed to take down Burger King, then I would expect jail time. Affecting a customer negatively is much different than smearing a competitor. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17114710 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:31:13 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17111131 jwsmiths4 : Should McDonalds execs go to jail since a very similar thing happened to some of the MP3 players they were selling or giving away as part of some meal. Probably happened at the same manufacture plant... »www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21665···maleware

Apple said less than 1% of the 5.5G iPods were affected, McDonalds recalled over 10,000 MP3 players in Japan...
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17111131 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:40:45 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17111080 jwsmiths4 : Again: Apple was not testing the iPods -- the testing was done at the manufacturing site by an entity separate and un-related to Apple.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17111080 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:31:06 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110762 TKJunkMail :
said by Primis1 See Profile :

It's called Quality Control.

Apparently Apple needs to have it explained to them... if this had happened with MS or IBM, people would be calling for heads. But somehow because it's Apple people want to say it's ok.

It's not. Apple deserves to burn for it...
I agree. Apple was obviously testing some iPods before shipping by using Windows PC's that were infected with a virus. That they didn't make sure those PC's were virus free is totally their own fault. Trying to blame Microsoft is just more of the same denial process that Apple has exhibited about their own systems being invulnerable to viruses.
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This has happened before (MacAddict sent out CDROMs that had a trojan on them) and it usually is unknown to the manufacturer. Some thrid party vendor/supplier is responsible.

Apple atleast is open enough to say "Whoa, folks! If connecting this to a PC, make sure it has current AV software. Some of our products were infected by supplier during setup/testing...and yes, via Windows!"

What a great spin!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110191 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:31:13 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110161 jwsmiths4 : Actually if you think about it the iPod was plugged into a Windows OS based machine during QC. Therefore your post is entirely wrong.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110161 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:26:36 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110140 jwsmiths4 : Could you please clarify what you mean beginning with Got o join?
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110140 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:24:43 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110132 MysticGogeta : I agree this is not really destroying the windows OS if you have a anti virus (Big duh for windows users) this wont do anything. Go to jail? No just pay any dammages and that will be enough for me.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110114 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:20:48 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110100 jwsmiths4 : How is an infected Mac going to cause this? That makes no sense. This is an isolated event in which the manufacturer fucked up some iPods before Apple even had taken delivery of them.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110100 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:19:36 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17110047 MysticGogeta : Quite interesting, blame microsoft for a device that had a virus on it before it is plugged into a Windows OS. Gee it makes perfect sense :uhh:
Apple should pay for this mistake its their fault they used this manufacturer, and not blame microsoft which seems to be the attitude of apple. "Lets bash Microsoft that'll take the heat off our mistakes!"
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If this were MS and not Apple, they'd be the first calling for blood. Just because it's Apple it does NOT just make it ok.

By the way, I find it funny that an infected PC is being blamed during replication. Apparently a Mac isn't good enough to do such a simple process?

So yeah. Paybacks are a...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109910 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:44:06 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109591 DarnellP :
said by Primis1 See Profile :

Apple deserves to burn for it...
Yeah burn for something that affected less than 1% of the iPods available in the last month or so. Now while I understand that even one is one too many, they've acknowledged the problem, rectified the problem and point users to free steps that they can take in the rare event that they're affected by the problem. Most anything mass produced is going to have the occasional problem child that gets by even with superlative quality control measures in place.

Nonetheless, I'm sure the anti-Apple brigade is going to run with this. Enjoy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109591 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:28:26 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109541 Primis1 : It's called Quality Control.

Apparently Apple needs to have it explained to them... if this had happened with MS or IBM, people would be calling for heads. But somehow because it's Apple people want to say it's ok.

It's not. Apple deserves to burn for it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109541 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:14:20 EDT Re: Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109477 cork1958 :
said by jwsmiths4 See Profile :

Oh my GOD that sounds retarded. Seriously do you think before you post? Apple is trying to take out Microsoft's OS through iPod viruses... that sounds like a page right out of MS's playbook to me, not Apple's.
How does that sound retarded? Obvious game plan of ANY company is to take out the competition. Especially in the computing game. Nobody's fault Apple is really that stupid to think they could pull it off! :o

Although, granted, Apple is not totally to blame here.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109344 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:00:29 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109343 jwsmiths4 : Apple needs to punish it's suppliers. Apple did NOT put the virus on the iPod themselvs so no one at Apple should be punished per se, but the manufacturer who is using an infected computer to test brand new iPods on needs to be replaced with a smarter one.
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»web.mac.com/jwsmiths/iWeb]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109343 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:59:37 EDT Re: Someone at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109299 MarkAW : Some one at Apple needs to lose their job. how in the hell can they blame Microsoft for something they are selling and making.Microsoft has nothing to do with the production of the iPod. When i first read about this a few days ago i knew Apple wouldn't take the blame for their own mistake and would try to pass it off onto Microsoft.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109299 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:33:30 EDT Someon at Apple needs to go to jail. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109224 insomniac84 : There needs to be jail time with this. Apple planted a virus on it's devices to take out a competitors OS. They advertise how OSX is virus free while windows is full of them, so I would consider it criminal to purposely propagate a windows virus to backup your false advertising claims. This could only be worse if it was an anti-virus company that did this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17109224 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:55:12 EDT