Re: I'll believe it... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17114732 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:25:02 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:25:02 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17116574 guitarzan : When they also open the vault to out of print music as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17116574 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:50:44 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17116016 c0de :
said by karlmarx See Profile :

"Decoys".. mmm.. I've never run into a DECOY. But then again, I use torrent files, which are never fakes.

The industry is too stupid to stop anyone. Only grandma with limewire is ever affected by the so called 'decoy' files. And once kids discover how to use torrents, the **AssAsses have lost them as 'consumers' forever!

Power to the people. Down with the megacorps. Free music and movies for ALL!
I never have found a decoy either. but i dont use limewire or mininova, or piratebay. if i cant read the nfo i aint downloading it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17116016 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:50:13 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115579 lupinia : MTV has at least four channels on Adelphia, plus 3-4 VH1s (I believe they're connected). Out of all of those, only two play music videos as a majority of their programming, VH1 Classic and MTV Latino or whatever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115579 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:44:44 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115285 swhx7 : The music companies, or the firms they hire to spread fakes, are the copyright owners in the fake files. If the copyright owners are putting these files on p2p, albeit by proxy, they are authorizing everyone to download them. And by inviting people to share them they're authorizing that too.

Now if a file-sharer is sued, he can say "I was looking for the advertisement files I read about on the web - they offer a chance to win prizes for sharing". One could easily get a real file by mistake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115285 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:47:46 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17115104 Rogue Wolf :
said by CSU See Profile :

quote:
Will MTV play music videos?


whatever happened to that?
Apparently they changed their name to Mediocre Television. Last I heard, they'd spun off a second channel (MTV 2, natch) for music, but now THAT's getting full of crap shows.

Not that I keep up with it. I have bunny ears on my TV, and get one channel that sucks.
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Power to the people. Down with the megacorps. Free music and movies for ALL!
No such thing as a free lunch. If all movies and music were free there wouldn't be any new music or movies created. As much as musicians love to tout thier love of the music it's the CASH they can potentially make that drives them. Same thing for actors and directors. Why does Tom Hanks get $20 mil to do a movie? Because for $19 mil he'd rather sit at home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17114732 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:36:08 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17114239 CSU :
quote:
Will MTV play music videos?


whatever happened to that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17114239 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:13:12 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17113303 dadkins : For what few files I get, they have been WELL screened before I ever click on them.

No "Bogus Files", no screeching MP3s... just clean working files.

Remember, I am pretty much burned out on music, and most new movies suck ass... so I'm not saturating my line downloading tons of GBs.

What few movies I do download, I watch and delete.
What little music I have downloaded, is stuff not avaliable any longer except from "other sources".
Even what little music I DO have, I rarely listen to.

Nuking it wouldn't be a great loss to me.
I have a whopping 2GB of saved music... BFD!
I have one movie that I watched last night, I just haven't remembered to delete it yet today... hang on.........

Ok, I have *NO* movies saved now.
Nothing on the horizon that appeals to me... either way, buy or download - no movies or music for a while! Guess they are SOL, huh?
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said by N10Cities See Profile :

But in the next paragraph, I did like this little bit of info....

"Concert outtakes aren't the only content. Audioslave, Ice Cube, Yellowcard and other music groups have used decoy files for their own version of viral marketing. With help from niche companies like Sparkart LLC and NFA Group's BuyDRM, they put snippets of a song into the files with the promise that a stream of the entire song will be "unlocked" for everyone once the promotion is forwarded to enough people. The hope is that this will motivate people to send the file to lots of friends."

This would be highly motivational to P2P users to "spread the love" so to speak. The music industry is sitting on a HUGE gold mine if they just play it right....they'll make more money than they ever dreamed.....
Guarenteed to piss off p2p fans music fans.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17113043 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:05:07 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17113041 Fatal Vector :
What these retards fail to realize is that most people will just delete the file and download another. This is just the typical corporate mindset that people will just embrace their adverts, no matter how intrusive.

Idiots. They just never learn. Apparently, suing thousands of people was too expensive, just like I said it would be.

And, I'm sure people will send these files to their friends like industry retards. Lots of money to be made? I doubt it. Ithis is just a variation of the dumbassed "video clips" that retards pay to download on their cellphones.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17113041 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:04:53 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17113036 patcat88 :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by SRFireside See Profile :

when I see what they actually do to market their wares to these new-found fans.
What they are doing is seeding the system with decoy files that are mostly just advertising and not the songs. And they are using the firm that the RIAA uses to flood P2P sites with decoys. So, I doubt this is a big turnabout by the RIAA, since all they are doing here is throwing ads into the decoy files.

From the WSJ article:
In a tactic little known outside the music industry, record labels have also started to hire outside companies to plant "decoy," or fake, files on the sites. (One such company, ArtistDirect Inc.'s MediaDefender, says it has deployed decoys for as many as 30 of the top 100 Billboard songs at any given time.) The decoy files frustrate users because they fail to download even though, thanks to the companies' technical expertise, they often claim the top spot in search results for a tune.

By inserting promotional material into the decoy files, and then planting those files prominently on file-sharing sites, record labels and other marketers can turn what is now an antipiracy tool into an advertising medium. "The concept here is making the peer-to-peer networks work for us," says Jay-Z's attorney, Michael Guido. "While peer-to-peer users are stealing the intellectual property, they are also the active music audience," and "this technology allows us to market back to them."

Right now, only about 1% of the decoy files on peer-to-peer sites include promotions or ads, but the potential audience is huge.
Top of result? Easy dont download the file with 3x more sources than all the others. Plus whats the diff between clicking 1 file or 5 with broadband?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17113036 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:03:09 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112934 N10Cities :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

said by SRFireside See Profile :

when I see what they actually do to market their wares to these new-found fans.
What they are doing is seeding the system with decoy files that are mostly just advertising and not the songs. And they are using the firm that the RIAA uses to flood P2P sites with decoys. So, I doubt this is a big turnabout by the RIAA, since all they are doing here is throwing ads into the decoy files.

From the WSJ article:
In a tactic little known outside the music industry, record labels have also started to hire outside companies to plant "decoy," or fake, files on the sites. (One such company, ArtistDirect Inc.'s MediaDefender, says it has deployed decoys for as many as 30 of the top 100 Billboard songs at any given time.) The decoy files frustrate users because they fail to download even though, thanks to the companies' technical expertise, they often claim the top spot in search results for a tune.

By inserting promotional material into the decoy files, and then planting those files prominently on file-sharing sites, record labels and other marketers can turn what is now an antipiracy tool into an advertising medium. "The concept here is making the peer-to-peer networks work for us," says Jay-Z's attorney, Michael Guido. "While peer-to-peer users are stealing the intellectual property, they are also the active music audience," and "this technology allows us to market back to them."

Right now, only about 1% of the decoy files on peer-to-peer sites include promotions or ads, but the potential audience is huge.
But in the next paragraph, I did like this little bit of info....

"Concert outtakes aren't the only content. Audioslave, Ice Cube, Yellowcard and other music groups have used decoy files for their own version of viral marketing. With help from niche companies like Sparkart LLC and NFA Group's BuyDRM, they put snippets of a song into the files with the promise that a stream of the entire song will be "unlocked" for everyone once the promotion is forwarded to enough people. The hope is that this will motivate people to send the file to lots of friends."

This would be highly motivational to P2P users to "spread the love" so to speak. The music industry is sitting on a HUGE gold mine if they just play it right....they'll make more money than they ever dreamed.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112934 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:52:29 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112705 karlmarx : "Decoys".. mmm.. I've never run into a DECOY. But then again, I use torrent files, which are never fakes.

The industry is too stupid to stop anyone. Only grandma with limewire is ever affected by the so called 'decoy' files. And once kids discover how to use torrents, the **AssAsses have lost them as 'consumers' forever!

Power to the people. Down with the megacorps. Free music and movies for ALL! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112705 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:24 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112507 amungus : "Will they open the airwaves to DJs instead of playlists?"

Exerpt from Tom Petty's song "The Last DJ"

.."As we celebrate mediocrity
all the boys upstairs want to see
How much you'll pay for what you used to get for free..."

...and Tom still rocks in concert. one of the better shows I saw all summer.

"Will MTV play music videos?"
-hahaha.... yeah right... but Beck just put out a new album that comes w/a DVD ..has videos for ALL the songs on the album. He just bypassed WUTBMTV (whatusedtobeMtv) entirely and managed to keep the price of the new album relatively low.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112507 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:37:26 EDT Re: I'll believe it... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112500 TKJunkMail :
said by SRFireside See Profile :

when I see what they actually do to market their wares to these new-found fans.
What they are doing is seeding the system with decoy files that are mostly just advertising and not the songs. And they are using the firm that the RIAA uses to flood P2P sites with decoys. So, I doubt this is a big turnabout by the RIAA, since all they are doing here is throwing ads into the decoy files.

From the WSJ article:
In a tactic little known outside the music industry, record labels have also started to hire outside companies to plant "decoy," or fake, files on the sites. (One such company, ArtistDirect Inc.'s MediaDefender, says it has deployed decoys for as many as 30 of the top 100 Billboard songs at any given time.) The decoy files frustrate users because they fail to download even though, thanks to the companies' technical expertise, they often claim the top spot in search results for a tune.

By inserting promotional material into the decoy files, and then planting those files prominently on file-sharing sites, record labels and other marketers can turn what is now an antipiracy tool into an advertising medium. "The concept here is making the peer-to-peer networks work for us," says Jay-Z's attorney, Michael Guido. "While peer-to-peer users are stealing the intellectual property, they are also the active music audience," and "this technology allows us to market back to them."

Right now, only about 1% of the decoy files on peer-to-peer sites include promotions or ads, but the potential audience is huge.

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Sounds to more like a "me too" attitude now that the MPAA let the cat out of the bag. They conceded that they couldn't sell CDs at their current prices, yet I haven't seen any price reduction at all since that announcement. Wake me up when something actually happens...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17112428 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:22:01 EDT