Child Porn, Botched Raids, and...Shaq? > I didn't know

reply to GilbertMark

Re: I didn't know

This is the standard attack the police are trained in when assaulting a house to grab a perp for ANY reason. And, you ARE GUILTY just by the fact that a raid was called on your dwelling or business, as far as the kill team conducting the assault is concerned.

The reason they do it this way, they will tell you, is that they dont know what they will encounter inside. You might be some meth head, high as a kite, or, some despirate criminal who will open fire on them even though, if you stop and think about it, you have NEVER heard of this happening, EVER.

It's the same "us versus them" (and we, the upstanding citizens are "them", make no mistake) mentality that prompts every available cop respond to any call even remotely exciting as "backup", or, to a chase of some poor dufus who finds himself surrounded by 10 weapon brandishing cops (Rodney King, anyone?) and is lucky if one of them, high on adrenalin as they are, dosen't shoot him for twitching and the others join in because one fired (new york, a apartment building lobby, one of the cops yelled gun when the guy was reaching for his wallet and they ALL EMPTIED THEIR GUNS, RELOADED and emptied them again. The man was shot 40 TIMES.

Forgive me, but if you are such a wussy that you need 10 armed cops beside you to do anything, I dont think you should be a cop. I bet the old cops, who did it the hard way are spinning at warp speed in their graves.

They do stuff like this and then wonder why they get no respect and everyone hates them. The trained government killer mentality for you.

I mean really...How many cops does it take to take down ONE perp? You see these "barracaded perp" stories on the news and you could swear the entire department is out there, guns drawn, just waiting for a kill shot, against (usually) 1 poor overstressed person. All the while making snide remarks to each other.

Everyone hates them? I don't hate cops.

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reply to Fatal Vector
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reply to DiscardedVet

reply to Fatal Vector
I agree with you and, respectfully, disagree.

I would think that the first time an officer, or pair of officers, went to arrest a possibly violent suspect, and were both killed, was the last time any officer they know went anywhere without the rest of the group "in force".

The reality of the world tells us every day that countless police officers fall to evil men. Who are we to say that they, charged with our protection, should do no more than simply lay down and die? That is not our place. That is no man's place. This world is real and so is the death that awaits us all. The only way we can even attempt to control that is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. When 50 officers show up to bust a single home with only one suspect, they are prepared for the worst. If 5 men in the house pull out machine guns and let loose, at least they are prepared to deal with such a situation. And that, I guarantee, somewhere, HAS happened.

99.9999% of the time, however, it doesn't. So the rest of us see this insane military like _invasion_ against one man who's in bed, asleep, butt naked. But that .0001% of the time, that man's not asleep and he's armed and ready to play. If I were an officer I would not expect to ever be in such a situation, nor would any sane person. I would expect that my peers would be there with me ready for what may come. If he's asleep, great, we all go home and live another day. If he's not, at least we would be prepared for the worst case scenario.

Personally, I have a great dislike for officers that seem to make up the majority of officers today. They all seem to have god complexes and would just as soon beat you to death as look at you. They are never there when you need them and always there when you don't. However, I have had the opportunity to know a couple officers who were, in my opinion, some of the finest men ever to exist on this piss poor backwater planet. And those men, those men no less than DESERVE whatever support they can get and they DESERVE to be prepared. Come what may.

Ultimately, it all comes down to securing the situation. Getting the upper hand in the situation as fast as possible. That's something we ALL try to do every day of our lives. The only difference is that the vast majority of situations we are faced with don't involve men with guns trying to kill us. If we did face such things, as you can well imagine, we would all do the same thing. I would pity anyone who didn't.

I will agree that it seems that many of these gestapo tactics are not even slightly warranted. But the one time it is justifies almost every time it isn't. Certainly, those who give up their rights for security deserve neither. But if you paid attention to what I have written, that's not my argument. What happened to the family in this incident was a CRIME, no less. Those responsible for it should be punished to the full extent the law allows. My argument is simply that the men who face the worst this world has to offer, day after day, deserve to be prepared for any eventuality, regardless of what it may be. Those officers who abuse that right, thereby abusing the citizens they are charged to protect, should not only loose it, but suffer a fate far worse than that which befell their "suspect".
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reply to BIGMIKE
Yeah yeah and 9/11 was a government plot to get a war in Iraq, the Holocaust was made up by the jews to get some pity.

Isn't there a conspiracy forum away from the general public for people like you?

reply to SRFireside
Precisely. The phrase "question authority" implies a lot more than asking why the government did something; it includes things like verifying that these kinds of registries hold correct information. Given the percentage of mistakes in such things as credit reports and death-row convictions, I don't place much trust in politically and emotionally charged things like sex offender registries!

reply to Shark_615

Conspiracy Minded Forum

reply to BIGMIKE

Re: I didn't know

Possessing automatic weapons is not illegal. If the weapons were purchased before a ban went into affect, they are legal.

There is no such thing as a grandfather law (crime) in this country. Now debunk more of his argument

reply to BVT
They shot cops. That's what got all those people killed. THEY shot cops. End of story.

They fact the guns were legal is a moot point. Even if EVERY gun was legal, its not legal to shoot cops, even if they're coming in on bogus charges.

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reply to BIGMIKE
That film and book and both nonsense.

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reply to 2kmaro
As to the guy saying he was gay, I am gay and I don't do kids and sure in the hell dont get into kiddy porn. That is a copout. Gay don't make you a pedophile, and it sure doesn't mean you like kiddy porn, I prefer George Eads over a kid any day.