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reply to 2kmaro

Re: I didn't know

Everyone hates them? I don't hate cops.

reply to Fatal Vector
The Waco Massacre

Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The local sheriff investigated and found no basis for complaints against them. These were law-abiding American citizens, even if they thought differently to most other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by agents acting under the authority of the U.S. government. Read this page if you believe otherwise. If you still have doubts, get the video Rules of Engagement for visual evidence. Or read the book Armageddon in Waco. Or see the film Waco: A New Revelation. »www.serendipity.li/waco.html
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reply to Fatal Vector
I agree with you and, respectfully, disagree.

I would think that the first time an officer, or pair of officers, went to arrest a possibly violent suspect, and were both killed, was the last time any officer they know went anywhere without the rest of the group "in force".

The reality of the world tells us every day that countless police officers fall to evil men. Who are we to say that they, charged with our protection, should do no more than simply lay down and die? That is not our place. That is no man's place. This world is real and so is the death that awaits us all. The only way we can even attempt to control that is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. When 50 officers show up to bust a single home with only one suspect, they are prepared for the worst. If 5 men in the house pull out machine guns and let loose, at least they are prepared to deal with such a situation. And that, I guarantee, somewhere, HAS happened.

99.9999% of the time, however, it doesn't. So the rest of us see this insane military like _invasion_ against one man who's in bed, asleep, butt naked. But that .0001% of the time, that man's not asleep and he's armed and ready to play. If I were an officer I would not expect to ever be in such a situation, nor would any sane person. I would expect that my peers would be there with me ready for what may come. If he's asleep, great, we all go home and live another day. If he's not, at least we would be prepared for the worst case scenario.

Personally, I have a great dislike for officers that seem to make up the majority of officers today. They all seem to have god complexes and would just as soon beat you to death as look at you. They are never there when you need them and always there when you don't. However, I have had the opportunity to know a couple officers who were, in my opinion, some of the finest men ever to exist on this piss poor backwater planet. And those men, those men no less than DESERVE whatever support they can get and they DESERVE to be prepared. Come what may.

Ultimately, it all comes down to securing the situation. Getting the upper hand in the situation as fast as possible. That's something we ALL try to do every day of our lives. The only difference is that the vast majority of situations we are faced with don't involve men with guns trying to kill us. If we did face such things, as you can well imagine, we would all do the same thing. I would pity anyone who didn't.

I will agree that it seems that many of these gestapo tactics are not even slightly warranted. But the one time it is justifies almost every time it isn't. Certainly, those who give up their rights for security deserve neither. But if you paid attention to what I have written, that's not my argument. What happened to the family in this incident was a CRIME, no less. Those responsible for it should be punished to the full extent the law allows. My argument is simply that the men who face the worst this world has to offer, day after day, deserve to be prepared for any eventuality, regardless of what it may be. Those officers who abuse that right, thereby abusing the citizens they are charged to protect, should not only loose it, but suffer a fate far worse than that which befell their "suspect".
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reply to BIGMIKE
Yeah yeah and 9/11 was a government plot to get a war in Iraq, the Holocaust was made up by the jews to get some pity.

Isn't there a conspiracy forum away from the general public for people like you?

Conspiracy Minded Forum

reply to BIGMIKE

Re: I didn't know

Possessing automatic weapons is not illegal. If the weapons were purchased before a ban went into affect, they are legal.

There is no such thing as a grandfather law (crime) in this country. Now debunk more of his argument

reply to BVT
They shot cops. That's what got all those people killed. THEY shot cops. End of story.

They fact the guns were legal is a moot point. Even if EVERY gun was legal, its not legal to shoot cops, even if they're coming in on bogus charges.

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reply to BIGMIKE
That film and book and both nonsense.

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reply to Fatal Vector

Re: I didn't know

reply to emptywig

I remember the footage. ATF was closing in on the compound and about to get in, but the first shots came from the compound. NOT the police.

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reply to SRFireside
you are an idiot.
have you ever bothered watching some of the recent shows about this subject on the history or learning channel?

the government did totally mess up and they were climbing ONTO the property when they got shot.

too bad for them, i say. dont put the police and swat teams on a pedestal. they're just like you and i, doing our jobs. lets not get all emotional just because they "protect" us. they're not all heros. in fact most cops have serious inferiority complexes they inflict on the public on a daily basis.

what about that one cop that was supposedly babysitting but actually molesting the child? this guy was in the forces for at least a decade or two.

so yeah, they were "about to get in" but I would consider climing onto the roof and breaking a window open "getting in".

That doesn't stop the fact that they shot at police officers. The warrants were issued. They knew the police were coming. They knew why the police were coming. Do you say it's okay for a drug dealer to shoot at DEA agents because they are coming into his property? Law abiding citizens don't shoot at law enforcement officers when they KNOW it's law enforcement officers.

Regardless of whether or not they felt they did nothing wrong, they did the wrong thing. I don't care who you are. Once you start shooting all bets are off.

And you call me the idiot?

reply to SRFireside