death of a Lotus Elise in Automotive http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17234746 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:06:36 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:06:36 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17265072 Kearnstd : ouch that little hit totaled it. its a sweet car but there are times im happy to have my crappy ole truck. i took a Subaru at speed to the driver side and the door still worked and it drove true.
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said by cdru See Profile :

said by elias See Profile :

If you've ever gotten in and out of one, you'll know it's definitely not a daily driver. A 911 is daily driver material, but not the Elise.

I just looked at the rest of his site, and he says this:
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Current I drive a BMW 545i with sports suspension[...]
. It can be seen in the picture of his Elise in the garage.
So he has (had?) a Elise, owns a 911, rebuilding a 914-6, and drives a BMW 545. I'm leaning more to what OiL See Profile said above. I feel bad as it was a beautiful, somewhat exotic expensive car and it sucks that it was likely totaled. But I think somehow he'll manage to move on.
Actually, it seems like he doesn't have the BMW anymore. He posted this yesterday:
Well it made it to the M3 Forums according to another ET Thread...

»www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthr···?t=30793

Here's my reply...

Hi M3 Forum members:

I'm a former BMW owner (328is and 545i) and left the marque just a few months ago.

I went to your forums and read your posts.

Please pass this along to your members in my thread...

>>Thanks for the kind words... Yes, my home life is different than most. I've remained level-headed because, you're right, there are worse things in life to stress about. My son Hunter is a precious gift.

When I informed my wife about the Lotus damage, she freaked out... after she calmed down, I told her that the only thing important to me is that she, Hunter, and my family were safe. Everything else is immaterial.

The Elise deal is a mess... but nothing that money, insurance, and time can't resolve.

What a huge difference in maturity expressed by the M3 Forum members, compared to some of the other sites that this "incident" has made it to.

Kind regards,

Qball
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said by elias See Profile :

If you've ever gotten in and out of one, you'll know it's definitely not a daily driver. A 911 is daily driver material, but not the Elise.

I just looked at the rest of his site, and he says this:
quote:
Current I drive a BMW 545i with sports suspension[...]
. It can be seen in the picture of his Elise in the garage.
So he has (had?) a Elise, owns a 911, rebuilding a 914-6, and drives a BMW 545. I'm leaning more to what OiL See Profile said above. I feel bad as it was a beautiful, somewhat exotic expensive car and it sucks that it was likely totaled. But I think somehow he'll manage to move on.
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said by cdru See Profile :

said by lotusracer See Profile :

Well, just because he has an Elise and a 911 doesn't make him rich.
I was suprised to see that the Elise starts at only $40k. I was expecting more. The 911 though would be an additional $40k+ depending on the year.

My guess though is that neither are their "daily driver" cars and that he is much better-to-do then the average schmoe here.
If you've ever gotten in and out of one, you'll know it's definitely not a daily driver. A 911 is daily driver material, but not the Elise.

I just looked at the rest of his site, and he says this:
quote:
Current I drive a BMW 545i with sports suspension[...]
. It can be seen in the picture of his Elise in the garage.
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said by lotusracer See Profile :

Well, just because he has an Elise and a 911 doesn't make him rich.
I was suprised to see that the Elise starts at only $40k. I was expecting more. The 911 though would be an additional $40k+ depending on the year.

My guess though is that neither are their "daily driver" cars and that he is much better-to-do then the average schmoe here.
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said by Barfly See Profile :

Said by the owner (qball):
"Dammit!!!! And I have the Central Florida Lotus Fun Run on Saturday which I've been organizing. Guess I'll have to drive the 911."

After reading that, I don't feel quite as sorry for the rich SOB.
Don't get mad because he has done better then you in life, made more money and was smarter with it. Rise up instead of dragging someone else down.
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said by Healbot See Profile :

said by MysticGogeta See Profile :

I personally wouldent trust ANYONE specaily some 18 year old goodyear mechanic (Or the young stupid kids ;)
Based on the pictures why is it safe to assume it was some teen mechanic, obviously if something horrible happens first to blame is those crazy kids :rolls eyes:
I'm 17 I know a lot of kids in my high school and trust me I would believe it.
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said by Barfly See Profile :

Said by the owner (qball):
"Dammit!!!! And I have the Central Florida Lotus Fun Run on Saturday which I've been organizing. Guess I'll have to drive the 911." After reading that, I don't feel quite as sorry for the rich SOB.
Well, just because he has an Elise and a 911 doesn't make him rich.

All it takes is to have a decent job, with no bad habits (other than the cars anyway). He could very well be like me, I'm not rich, just a retired guy in my 50's who never had kids.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17240349 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:04:36 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17240182 Barfly : Said by the owner (qball):
"Dammit!!!! And I have the Central Florida Lotus Fun Run on Saturday which I've been organizing. Guess I'll have to drive the 911."

After reading that, I don't feel quite as sorry for the rich SOB.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17240182 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 15:33:30 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17240136 Wills : Anyone who takes a car like that to a place like that, and has that happen, deserves to be pointed and laughed at.

I won't take my beat up truck to Goodyear, but he feels confident taking a Lotus Elise there? I think we found the president of the "More Money Than Brains" club.
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said by Ry See Profile :

What disturbs me about that owners post is how calm he sounds about the whole thing. I would have literally murdered everyone in that garage!
I dunno. My car is hardly exotic, but it is fairly rare. Since it's not the only one, and I know that isn't the only Lotus Elise around, it can be replaced. Due to the hyper-exotic construction techniques used in the Lotus, it does look like a total loss.

I would be a bit perturbed by their incompetence and inability to follow instructions, but murder is a bit much. :) Either way, being upset isn't going to get the car replaced any quicker, and a calm person will probably get a bit farther with their insurance than a raving lunatic.

At the end of the day, it's a car, meant to be driven. They all are. And driving is going to cause wear, tear, and even a bit of damage. Nature of the beast. Sure, it sucks when someone else's stupidity causes your car to get damaged, but it's still only a car. It can be fixed or replaced.

My Mercedes S-class got totaled a few years back, and I was more put out about having to go through the paperwork and assorted BS than I was about the car getting wrecked. It's a car. And I had just put a new transmission into it. I actually explained that calmly to the adjuster (for the other party's insurance), showed him a receipt, and he made an appropriate adjustment to their compensation. I got what I thought the car was worth, so I was happy, and able to replace it with an even nicer car.

As long as they rent him something roughly equivalent in the meantime, he should be fine. (Actually, he mentioned a Porsche of some sort as a back up, so he's obviously not suffering for cars. It does stink that he won't be able to take his Lotus to the Lotus event her organized.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238993 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 12:29:48 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238765 winky : Taking any car you care about to a chain is just plain retarded. Just as well it's totaled, they probably already used an impact on the lug nuts, tightened them sequentially at 150psi, put the wheel weights on the outside and scraped the rims on the tire changer. I've come to the conclusion that the exotic market is driven by people with money who want to look "cool" and don't know or care about cars. This guy doesn't know jack about cars. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238765 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:49:34 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238484 anon : The car is scrapped.

That particular Lotus is glued (bonded) together with the floorpan being the main chassis member.
(kindly note the orange blobs of glue under the front suspension areas).

It cannot be repaired.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238484 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:51:14 EDT Oh my God!!! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238462 Ferox : As a Car enthusiast It's really sad to me to see a Elise this way, but anyway I'm glad it didn't happened to a Enzo or McLaren.

Wanna Suffer? see www.wreckedexotics.com :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238462 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:47:32 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238329 Healbot :
said by MysticGogeta See Profile :

I personally wouldent trust ANYONE specaily some 18 year old goodyear mechanic (Or the young stupid kids ;)
Based on the pictures why is it safe to assume it was some teen mechanic, obviously if something horrible happens first to blame is those crazy kids :rolls eyes:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238329 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 10:22:19 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17238266 Ry : What disturbs me about that owners post is how calm he sounds about the whole thing. I would have literally murdered everyone in that garage!
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If the car is really that light in the frt end (as evidenced by rolling backward off the hoist), then there wouldn't be that much force on the straps.
I dare say that 3 strong people could support the car in that position while the hoist is lowered, then "roll" the frt end down toward the ground.
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said by seaquake See Profile :

Death? No. Significant body damage? Hell yeah. I'm sure Goodyear will pay out the nose for that one.
I used to work for Goodyear when I was first starting out. One of the other stores drooped a 15 year old Dodge car of some sorts that some old lady owned from new. It was a $1,500 at most and she got $17,000 dollars for "sentimental value". Must have gotten a good lawyer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17236965 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 00:25:02 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17236744 72276539 :
said by PunkGod See Profile :

Looks fake.
Your basis for that?
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said by 72276539 See Profile :

said by CylonRed See Profile :

WHY is the IDIOT who owns it taking it to GOODYEAR?!?!?!?!? FOr gods sake - take it to a place that knows what they are doing to that car...
Read the frackin thread before commenting ijit.
Read it and will only amend iy yo say - What idiot lets someone OTHER than the ONE person he trusts work on it.... If his FIL is not there - why drop it off at all - especially at a GoodYear...? Sorry - my opinion has not changed....
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Not really good for anything......
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said by lotusracer See Profile :

said by seaquake See Profile :

Death? No. Significant body damage? Hell yeah. I'm sure Goodyear will pay out the nose for that one.
If you read the Elise forum thread, you will see that the general consensus is that the car should be written off. The fact that they used the wrecker to winch it down and used the front suspension to hook onto is not good..... the hole in the floor is another bad thing... the floor panel is part of the chassis and not replaceable.
That type of thing done to the front suspension is not good at all and I'll put money on the fact the mount points are just plain fracked. I've done P L E N T Y of work with getting cars out of weird spots and onto tow vehicles, and can tell you NO car will take kindly to what is in the pictures.
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said by seaquake See Profile :

Death? No. Significant body damage? Hell yeah. I'm sure Goodyear will pay out the nose for that one.
If you read the Elise forum thread, you will see that the general consensus is that the car should be written off. The fact that they used the wrecker to winch it down and used the front suspension to hook onto is not good..... the hole in the floor is another bad thing... the floor panel is part of the chassis and not replaceable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17236073 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:55:35 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17235987 72276539 :
said by CylonRed See Profile :

WHY is the IDIOT who owns it taking it to GOODYEAR?!?!?!?!? FOr gods sake - take it to a place that knows what they are doing to that car...
Read the frackin thread before commenting ijit.
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I'd be asking for a new car ouch. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17234977 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:53:43 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17234852 MPScan : This is the best "Caption This!" thread ever. :D ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17234852 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:34:31 EDT Re: death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17234785 Wasnt Me : Ouch!! You have to put those cars on a lift a specific way.. apparently, Goodyear chose to ignore all of that. The post says the car was paid off too... that hurts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17234785 Tue, 07 Nov 2006 18:25:03 EDT death of a Lotus Elise http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17234746 lotusracer : Be VERY careful when taking any car to be worked on....

Accident at a Goodyear...

»www.elisetalk.com/forums/showthr···?t=30674

More Pictures here...

»www.my914-6.com/crap/
Click for full size
Elise that fell off of a lift
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