[TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! in Verizon Fiber Optics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17286892 en Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:46:47 EDT Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:46:47 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17310121 CRP : Good to see that Verizon got a deal done with Rainbow Media, which was pretty much the last major programming provider that they didn't have a deal with. While it is sad to see, that Verizon won't have MSG-HD & FSNY-HD, I could honestly live without them, when considering how good the lineup is IMO on FIOS TV.

As long as they have YES-HD & SNY-HD on by the time it's available in my area (sometime in 2007), I'll be happy.
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Comcast of Ocean County (Brick)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17310121 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:48:24 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309380 robjlevin : Nobody's buying Patriot for what the current asking price is. At least nobody with any business sense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309380 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:30:32 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309282 anon : patriot may be bought by comcast so if they do, you may get those feeds]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309282 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:08:31 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309067 Hound : I am sure that Cablevision would not allow the HD feed of a
regional sports network in the sports pack. Verizon would not win that argument at the FCC. The entire cost
of the MSG and FSNY HD feeds would have to be spread among all subscibers
that sign up for the basic TV package of $39.99 or $42.99 in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Spreading the cost into
the basic feed is not going to drive non sports customers
away per se. Verizon just has to price the basic package
and the set top box costs to be competitive with its
competition, Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner, Patriot Media, Dish and Directv. Putting MSG and FSNY HD in its channel lineup will impact Verizon's margins. But it would also gain more subscribers. Verizon is claiming that they are cheaper than cable and driving prices down. My point is that by not providing what is a must have channel for some subscribers (regional sports network in HD), Verizon is going to lose out on internet and telephone, not just cable tv subscription. The smarter business decision is to gain the new TV and internet subscribers, hold on to its current telephone customers, make them happy and hold onto them. Verizon's entry into the TV and internet market is great. Competition is great. But subscribers for the first time ever are now realizing that they have a choice not only for cable TV and high speed internet, but telephone as well. The wrong channel lineup will end up costing Verizon telephone subscribers.

Like myself, I have Verizon for telephone and Patriot Media for high speed internet,
and cable. I also have Dish network. Where I live in central New Jersey, Patriot Media is the cable company.
Many people that I know left Patriot or its predecessor,
RCN for Directv or Dish because cable was not providing
Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia. The only reason that Patriot Media is not providing CSN is because it would
affect its margins and it cannot figure out how to pass
the entire cost of CSN onto its subscribers that qualify.
Out town has the lowest cable tv penetration in the entire
Patriot Media system.

In Mercer County, central NJ, where I live, our county qualifies for all
five RSN's, CSN, MSG, SNY, YES and FSNY. And Comcast and
Cablevision provide all five RSNs. Patriot Media only provides four. Comcast provides a full
time feed of CSN HD and various feeds of the other four RSNs in HD. Cablevision does not provide CSN in HD but provides the other four RSNs in HD.

I am very excited that Verizon is offering CSN HD, SNY HD and YES HD. Those three channels are enough to get me to sign up for Fios for TV and internet, keep Verizon as a telephone company and drop Dish. But if Verizon were not
offering CSN HD in my area, I would most likely drop Verizon as my telephone carrier and go with triple play
with the cable company. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309067 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:23:36 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309040 robjlevin : They can't simply withhold those feeds. They have to negotiate the fees and they have to do it fairly. Once they started selling it to other cable companies they opened the door.

Right now I'm stuck with the only cable company in the NYC DMA without MSG and FSN HD-Patriot Media. I was really hoping that VZ would manage to get those feeds. I've got my FiOS internet install set for next week and I'm just hoping something happens with those channels soon.

If things stay the same, I'm dumping Patriot. If Patriot manages to add them and Verizon doesn't I'll stick with Patriot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17309040 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:19:27 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17308452 UofMiamiGrad :
said by Hound See Profile :

I bet Verizon passed on the HD channels because of the
per subscriber cost. Cablevision cannot withhold those channels. Big mistake by Verizon because the
HD Cablevision subscribers who are Knicks, Rangers, Devils and Islanders fans are not going to switch to Verizon.
When Verizon enters the marketplace, subscribers are going
to take a close look at triple play options. If Cablevision
or Comcast has a channel that is must have for a subscriber, such as regional sports networks in High Definition, MSG, FSNY, CSN, YES or SNY, the new Comcast
VERSUS/Golf HD, etc., that subscriber is going to probably
sign up for triple play with Comcast or Cablevision. Verizon will end up losing telephone customers. However, if
Verizon offers must have channels like MSG HD, FSNY HD, Verizon is going to sign up Comcast and Cablevision subscribers for TV, internet and phone. The channel lineup
is now going to be a source of more revenue than just cable television subscriptions.
Maybe you missed the blow up with Time Warner and Cablevision over MSG last year? »www.timewarnercable.com/Investor···rketID=0 Time Warner took MSG off its system, one reason being Cablevision wouldn't give Time Warner the HD feed of MSG. Finally they came to an agreement and the HD feed was given to Time Warner, which just recently finally put a full-time channel on its system for MSG-HD.

Cablevision withheld the HD feed on purpose, VZ did not balk at any cost, since there would be a set cost with what Time Warner has in their agreement. Cablevision doesn't want to risk not being able to say they have most HD channels in the area, once VZ got those HD feeds, it was game over and the HD buffs with their high average monthly cable bills are gone. Cablevision's big wigs know it.

FYI, CSN-HD is available on FIOS TV in the Philly area & SNY-HD is up on Channel 815 in the NY area, with YES-HD to follow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17308452 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:55:18 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17308440 Xidus : I don't know about big mistake, depends how many potential sports subscribers you're talking about. You'd also have to consider how they will pass on the costs. If it's only increasing the sports package monthly price then no problem, but if it increases non sports fans monthly bill then that would just end up driving other subscribers away. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17308440 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:40:39 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17305860 Hound : I bet Verizon passed on the HD channels because of the
per subscriber cost. Cablevision cannot withhold those channels. Big mistake by Verizon because the
HD Cablevision subscribers who are Knicks, Rangers, Devils and Islanders fans are not going to switch to Verizon.
When Verizon enters the marketplace, subscribers are going
to take a close look at triple play options. If Cablevision
or Comcast has a channel that is must have for a subscriber, such as regional sports networks in High Definition, MSG, FSNY, CSN, YES or SNY, the new Comcast
VERSUS/Golf HD, etc., that subscriber is going to probably
sign up for triple play with Comcast or Cablevision. Verizon will end up losing telephone customers. However, if
Verizon offers must have channels like MSG HD, FSNY HD, Verizon is going to sign up Comcast and Cablevision subscribers for TV, internet and phone. The channel lineup
is now going to be a source of more revenue than just cable television subscriptions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17305860 Sun, 19 Nov 2006 17:50:26 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17303910 robjlevin : Only time will tell, but I can't believe Verizon was willing to settle for not getting those HD feeds for MSG and FSN.

I wonder if there was an agreement to not disclose it until they actually rollout the services.

Like I said, time will tell.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17303910 Sun, 19 Nov 2006 11:04:41 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17302608 bulkhogan : so will fios get Howard stern OD now you think??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17302608 Sun, 19 Nov 2006 00:10:21 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17302410 UofMiamiGrad : Rainbow Media holdings owns the VOOM Network, FYI. Which liquidnw pointed out already. Channels owned are at the following link: »www.rainbow-media.com/rainbow/index.jsp ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17302410 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:13:26 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17301426 liquidnw : This is an article from jan of o5. This isn't new. CV still owns the programming while echostar simply bought the satellite and facilities which voom was using.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17301426 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:37:28 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17299445 f38urry : See: »TinyURL.com/vuy28

And:

Voom Sold

Cablevision Systems has sold its money-losing Rainbow DBS satellite television business to Echostar, reports The Dish network. Specifically, EchoStar has agreed to purchase Rainbow 1, a direct broadcast satellite (DBS) located at 61.5 degrees West Longitude, for $200 million, together with the rights to 11 DBS frequencies at that location. The satellite includes 13 frequencies, up to 12 of which can be operated in “spot beam” mode. The EchoStar III satellite also located at 61.5 degree

A sale of Rainbow DBS, which operates the Voom satellite service, was anticipated since Voom lost more than $75 million in the third quarter of last year. As of Sept. 30, only about 26,000 customers had been activated for Voom service.

Rainbow DBS was originally earmarked for a spin-off, but that plan was shelved in December after it drew the ire of many analysts and investors that viewed the unit as economically unviable and a drain on Cablevision’s cash. Last month, the board canceled plans to spin off Voom, as part of a separate risk-oriented company.

Rainbow Media recently completed a contract with Lockheed Martin for the construction of five Ka-band satellites for VOOM. These high power satellites, the first of which was to be completed and launched in 34 months, would enable VOOM to increase its channel capacity to more than 5,000 high definition channels when operating in spot beam. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17299445 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:13:19 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17298920 UofMiamiGrad :
said by Jon Purkey See Profile :

Glad to see they'll be adding IFC. Anyone know when we can expect to see the new channels?
New channels are expected next month, with IFC being a movie package channel. RSNs no idea though, hopefully next month as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17298920 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:35:56 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17298850 Jon Purkey : Glad to see they'll be adding IFC. Anyone know when we can expect to see the new channels?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17298850 Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:23:04 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17296331 jammmin : Don't forget guys Verizon had to sue Rainbow Holdings earlier this year because Rainbow had previously refused to negotiate in good faith.

In a news release earlier this year, Verizon had stated that it tried to negotiate for over 2 years with Rainbow holdings with no progress. It brought a lawsuit against the company which obviously gave them good results today.

Now, we will see how much longer Rainbow Holdings will hold on to the 15 VOOM HD channels before Verizon has to sue them again. Cablevision has more at stake with the 15 VOOM HD channels since it currently don't offer them to its own subscribers probably because it doesn't have the capacity to offer 15 more HD channels on its hybrid coax-fiber network.

Verizon fiber network can easily add the 15 VOOM channels with loads of bandwidth to spear.

Cablevision does not have to offer New 12(Neither does Timewarner's NY1 news) since these channels are not broadcast on satellite. Verizon will have to figure out its own local news solution.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17296331 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:02:47 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17292309 PoloDude : CV also spent millions of dollars to stop the west side stadium becaus of they didn't want the compition for MSG.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17292309 Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:59:14 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17290490 TurtleFan : Heh, the more I Hear about Cablevision, from a company that broadcasts in their offices (MSG), the less and less I like them. They actually stopped the new Penn Station from being built because they wanted the space...

Not really surprised they withheld the HD stations :).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17290490 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:38:57 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17288320 Jmartz :
said by skoalbandit See Profile :

This appears to be everything Rainbow Media has except VOOM.
Don't worry, knowing Cablevision, they will sell VOOM to FIOS before we (customers) get VOOM.

Also, VOOM is Cablevision owned, BUT, it's exclusively available to Dish Network, a much, much stronger competitor to Cablevision then FIOS at this time...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17288320 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:52:31 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17288314 UofMiamiGrad : Cablevision really screwed VZ, which we all knew. No MSG-HD or FSNY-HD on FIOS TV. At least the SD channels will be available, but no HD, as CV is keeping the HD feeds away from VZ. Of course CV gives them the rights to FSNE-HD, since that's not in CV's footprint.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17288314 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:51:35 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17288170 skoalbandit : This appears to be everything Rainbow Media has except VOOM.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17288170 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:31:15 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287565 Kingscup :
said by majortom1029 See Profile :

dont flame me for this but by making this agreement isnt this helping out your competition?
It may not help their cable systems but it will help with the cable channels that they own. More subscribers equals more advertising revenue for the channels. As rbjlevin stated, they also cannot withhold programming from other distributors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287565 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:43:47 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287492 robjlevin : They can't legally withhold this programming from terrestial distributors. There are some loophole for satellite services if the channels aren't distributed via satellite.

This isn't a unique situation. Time Warner and Comcast are both programmers as well as distributors.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287492 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:30:13 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287222 majortom1029 : dont flame me for this but by making this agreement isnt this helping out your competition?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287222 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:46:49 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287091 robjlevin : Good news but why no HD for MSG and FSN NY?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287091 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:23:01 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287051 braclark : Includes:
MSG Network
FSN New York
FSN New England
FSN New England HD
AMC
WE tv
IFC
fuse
on-demand networks Mag Rack and sportskool]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287051 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:15:28 EDT Re: [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287007 JeepMatt : Great news! Thanks for the link.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17287007 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 13:08:12 EDT [TV] FIOS and CABLEVISION AGREE! FSN & MSG and MORE! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17286892 scatt : »biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061116/nyth···ml?.v=64]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17286892 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:47:24 EDT