Re: TiVo Delayed in Comcast Cable TV

Re: TiVo Delayed in Comcast Cable TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17318710 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:31:04 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 11:31:04 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18619115 cypherstream :

said by nascar

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Here is a nice iGuide TiVo side by side. Note that this is a TiVo Series 3. There will be some differences from what the Comcast TiVo will be but you can get the overall feel from the photos.

»www.brothersontech.com/blog/bria···-dct6412

Wow thanks for that. I wonder if the Comcast Tivo will have the same top info bar with the transparent info text window and channel logo? I also wonder if the Motorola box will be able to generate those fancy high color background images shown on the Tivo Central, To Do List, etc... Holy crap 8 rows of program guide listings. Wow thats awesome. I've only ever seen a series 2 Tivo and I really didn't like the cluttered guide, but the series 3 looks amazing.

Looking at both screen shots like that really contrasts the vast superiority in Tivo's interface. It's like comparing Windows 3.1 to Windows Vista.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18619115 Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:16:48 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18619086 nascar : Here is a nice iGuide TiVo side by side. Note that this is a TiVo Series 3. There will be some differences from what the Comcast TiVo will be but you can get the overall feel from the photos.

»www.brothersontech.com/blog/bria···-dct6412
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18619086 Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:11:16 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18610273 cypherstream : That sounds awesome. Also the part where Triple Play platinum subscribers may be able to get it for no extra cost. I have the Triple Play Platinum, and I hope Comcast sets the pricing scheme nationally so my local area cant fu@k us on all the offers everyone else gets.

No lag sounds great, the interface looks wonderful, the fact that the box is capable of generating its own sounds (like the tivo's ding sound) really makes me have a little bit more faith in the vanilla Motorola platform. I wonder how much of the software needs to reside on the hard drive, or head end server. The limited nvram and flash memory space in the Motorola boxes makes find it hard to believe that anything robust could work. I'm glad the figured it out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18610273 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:36:09 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18610167 nascar : LonghornXP had this to say...

»www.satelliteguys.us/comcast-cab···st942285

I hope you don't mind LonghornXP. I'm thinking BBR readers will value your "hands on" experience.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18610167 Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:14:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18603277 fiberguy : I have my opinions, and I largely agree with yours.

For me, and this is an American trait which most trends will back me on. It's not about what is better, it's not about what it will or wont' do.. it's about always wanting something new, or wanting more. When ever a price rises, people want to see something more for the added cost.

Further, when it comes to the fan-boys in the ongoing argument of moto or tivo, some people might as well piss on their DVR because it also has very much to do with the desire to be right and be superior over someone else.

The odd things, though, and this never stops amazing me is that life is wonderful! When it comes to what is better, that's all relative. We are not a one concept/model world. We're not all round pegs that fit in round holes. It's why there are choices and people can certainly make the one that best fits their needs.

So when I see people arguing over which guide is better, or box (sa or moto) DVR, to iPhone or not to iPhone, is my iPod or your Zune better.. in the end, IT DOESN'T MATTER what anyone else things. The idea that a collective discussion on any of these issues is laughable anyway. Person A is never going to sway Person B here. The ".. but it costs more so it's bad" argument doesn't even cut it because not everyone shops on price! To some people, money isn't the factor. To some people, they don't need or want to shave a few dollars here and there as it would cost them more in time elsewhere which makes them loose money chasing a dollar.

But.. as for Tivo arriving... Comcast JUST inked approval on the Tivo Software. So, limited roll outs are going to begin shortly and they expect normal roll out in a few months.

But to fill time? meh... I just don't get why some people come home every day, and check to see if anything about their cable TV has changed... I think the wait and effort placed on that need to know will only impact people's colons... Cable is the last thing in my life that I worry about. For over 30 years I've been able to turn to a channel and view a program.. amazing how nothing has changed in 30 years.
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said by nascar

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If you have ever used TiVo compared to the iGuide...

The choice is clear. One is feature rich (TiVo) and one is feature poor. Guess which one that is.

Absolutely agree.
Coming from using a directivo, the guide and dvr interface of the comcast dvr they gave me is just not as good. Not at all.
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HouseOfMike]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18603120 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:07:04 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18602882 sureshrink : It is amazing how strong people's feelings are on the Tivo - Moto issues. Wow.

I tend to lean toward the belief that, at the price, the limitations of the Moto and iGuide are acceptable. The box does everything I need or want. (I guess that is quite limited, but ...)

I will most likely get the Tivo software when it arrives
and I am sure I will find things I can't understand how I lived without. But, at the moment it is reliable, relatively easy to use, captures all the TV I can watch and, even though it does repeatedly copy the same episode of The Shield over and over, I just delete it. No big Deal.

I am sure my 2 cents will do nothing to change the quality of the discussion and the discussion will do little to change my mind. So, ignore everything I have said and continue. We need to fill the time until the Tivo software arrives anyhow. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18602882 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:15:48 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18602092 Georgiaboy :

said by bicker

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If you set it for "New and Repeats / Save All Episodes" you should be fine.

OK, cool.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18602092 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:58:51 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18601979 bicker : If you set it for "New and Repeats / Save All Episodes" you should be fine. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18601979 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:40:36 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18601677 Georgiaboy :

said by bicker

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Did you read the bugs list?

"The guide data being sent to the box does not contain the New or Repeat flags. Also, the box doesn't remember what it's recorded after you delete it (unlike TiVo)."

If people are reporting that (for which the remedy is "Either let it record shows you don't want or do manual recordings") then surely they'd report the My Recording page being littered with duplicates, triplicates, quadruplicates, and the hard drive being filled with such excess recordings. Sorry, Georgiaboy, but I think you're way off-target with this.

There is nothing to be sorry about b/c you might be right, it has been a long time since(I do believe it would record duplicates) I have done a series recording so I'll do an experiment and tell you what happens. Trust me, I wouldn't lie. I'll probably test with Bravo's Kathy Griffin's "My life on the D-list"(would do Top Chef, but sometimes they have long marathons before they get to the target episode). Is it OK if I test this out on a repeat, and put the settings as: Record "New and Repeats/All episodes"?
It'll be tomorrow when I get the results. Does it sound fair enough?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18601677 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:43:11 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18601414 bicker : Did you read the bugs list?

"The guide data being sent to the box does not contain the New or Repeat flags. Also, the box doesn't remember what it's recorded after you delete it (unlike TiVo)."

If people are reporting that (for which the remedy is "Either let it record shows you don't want or do manual recordings") then surely they'd report the My Recording page being littered with duplicates, triplicates, quadruplicates, and the hard drive being filled with such excess recordings. Sorry, Georgiaboy, but I think you're way off-target with this.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18601414 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:51:12 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18600589 Georgiaboy :

said by bicker

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Here is a link to the bugs list. As you can see, there is no indication that a significant number of users have reported that when a Series Recording is configured to record only new episodes (no duplicates) that it still records duplicates.

Yes, but most people may accept that as the norm and see no reason to report it. I know that my DVR does it, but I simply delete the duplicate. No big deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18600589 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:57:53 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18600555 bicker : Here is a link to the bugs list. As you can see, there is no indication that a significant number of users have reported that when a Series Recording is configured to record only new episodes (no duplicates) that it still records duplicates. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18600555 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:49:42 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18600397 scooby : It records duplicates in all Michigan markets and Chicago.
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All of my series are set to record new and reruns, NOT to record "new, reruns and duplicates", but it records duplicates. This happens for shows on Cartoon Network, Comedy Central, Discovery, National Geographic, and local stations, which is where all of my series are.

If I don't go in ahead of time and remove one of them from the scheduled recording, I'll end up with two copies of nearly everything I record on the national networks, because of their two showings for the different coasts, and if I don't do anything for several days, I'll get all the reruns of that show, even though the first recording is sitting unwatched on the DVR.

What's particularly annoying is that there is no good interface for deleting things from upcoming recordings. On my old DVR, a Microsoft UTV on DirectTV, the list of upcoming recording had checkboxes next to each, so you could check them, and then hit the "delete all checked items" button. It made mass deletion much easier. (Not that it was needed often, as UTV could be told to not record something that had been recorded in the past 30 days).

(And that makes it even more annoying, because Microsoft clearly knows how to make a good DVR. The UTV was better as a DVR than the 341x in every way except interface speed...so why didn't that UTV goodness make it into the Microsoft software for the 341x?)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18598965 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 22:14:41 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596603 bicker :

said by fuziwuzi

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Your experience doesn't coincide with anyone else that I know who uses the Comcast DVRs. I have 4 friends here in Atlanta with the same Comcast DVR and all experience the same problems.

Then my guess would be that that part of Atlanta is the only place with this duplicate recordings problem. Again, if this was a common problem, I'd have seen it mentioned elsewhere, such as AVS Forums.

said by fuziwuzi

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Can your get the iGuide to search on topics or actors or directors like you can in TiVO?

No. Not that that's relevant to the duplicate recordings problem you're having. (And remember, I did say that the TiVo was better -- heck I own FOUR of them. I think, perhaps, you might not be reading all the words I'm typing! :D)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596603 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:02:36 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596027 fuziwuzi :

said by bicker

said by fuziwuzi

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You're incredibly lucky, then.

I don't think so. I follow discussions about these DVRs quite closely, on a number of websites, and have seen literally dozens of comprehensive, scathingly negative reviews of them. However, yours is the first report I've seen of that specific issue. Perhaps you're incredibly unlucky. :)

said by fuziwuzi

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Just this week, when I had a "series recording" set for a program on Bravo

I don't record anything off of Bravo, so I cannot exclude the possibility that Bravo provides inferior information to Gemstar, thereby causing the issue you're reporting. Gemstar might be the right direction for you to address your concerns.

said by fuziwuzi

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Another "series recording" set for a new program on USA network resulted in 4 recordings of the same episode.

USA I can talk about, because not only do I watch shows on USA, but participate in a number of discussions with other USA series fans, who also have DVRs. I just deleted the recording of The 4,400 from last Sunday. It has, of course, been rebroadcast about a dozen times since then, yet only one copy of the recording was present on my DVR.

said by fuziwuzi

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Again, TiVO has the intelligence to avoid this problem.

As does the Motorola DVRs running iGuide. Again, you'll need to look elsewhere for the cause of the problem you're experiencing. The only problem along these lines that any significant number of folks have with the Motorola DVRs running iGuide is that when you delete an episode, iGuide will record it again, as long as the network reports the episode is new. It won't record the same episode twice, unless you select "All with duplicates" from the "Record" field on the SERIES RECORDING SETUP screen.

said by fuziwuzi

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No, the iGuide interface is not comparable.

Indeed it is. I'm not sure why you keep trying to deny it. It isn't as good, but it isn't as expensive. That's a very valid and cogent comparison.

said by fuziwuzi

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Try searching on iGuide compared to TiVO.

Actually, for a few things, the iGuide search is better. However, the point isn't which is better -- I think we have both said that the TiVo is better. The point is that the two are comparable, and the differences between the two are close enough that the pricing differential makes either the best choice for a significant number of people.

said by fuziwuzi

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Besides, now Comcast is charging $12/month for this Moto box.

Your experience doesn't coincide with anyone else that I know who uses the Comcast DVRs. I have 4 friends here in Atlanta with the same Comcast DVR and all experience the same problems. Can your get the iGuide to search on topics or actors or directors like you can in TiVO? The only search one can do on iGuide is for program title. That is far far inferior to the rich search functions in TiVO.

I've never used the "All with duplicates" setting, I always have it set for "New Episodes Only", yet on the original 6412 box, as well as the subsequent boxes (now on the 5th box in 2.5 years) I get the multiple recordings of the same shows.

If this Comcast box worked as you say yours does, I wouldn't complain.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596027 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:21:19 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18591553 bicker :

said by fuziwuzi

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You're incredibly lucky, then.

said by fuziwuzi

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Just this week, when I had a "series recording" set for a program on Bravo

said by fuziwuzi

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Another "series recording" set for a new program on USA network resulted in 4 recordings of the same episode.

said by fuziwuzi

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Again, TiVO has the intelligence to avoid this problem.

said by fuziwuzi

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No, the iGuide interface is not comparable.

Indeed it is. I'm not sure why you keep trying to deny it. It isn't as good, but it isn't as expensive. That's a very valid and cogent comparison.

said by fuziwuzi

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Try searching on iGuide compared to TiVO.

said by fuziwuzi

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Besides, now Comcast is charging $12/month for this Moto box.

It's still $9.95 here. It will probably go up in price soon, but it will still be less expensive, per month, than TiVo service, as I mentioned above, and unlike TiVo, it still requires no up-front investment on the part of the customer.

It's great that we've got a choice, and that you've got a favorite. And it is my favorite as well. However, that doesn't justify denigrating the very valid and rational choice of others.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18591553 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:43:04 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18591481 nascar : If you have ever used TiVo compared to the iGuide...

The choice is clear. One is feature rich (TiVo) and one is feature poor. Guess which one that is.
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said by bicker

said by fuziwuzi

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The current system will record every episode even if that same episode is still in your viewing list, even if you haven't watched it, yet.

That is not the way the current system works for me.

You're incredibly lucky, then. Just this week, when I had a "series recording" set for a program on Bravo, the exact same episode was recorded 5 times in a 4 day period. All 5 recordings are in my list of available shows to watch. None of them have been viewed, yet. Another "series recording" set for a new program on USA network resulted in 4 recordings of the same episode. All of these are set for "New episodes only". I have found that the only time "series recording" works correctly is for programs on the major broadcast networks like ABC, FOX, CBS, NBC that do not repeat new episodes. Again, TiVO has the intelligence to avoid this problem.

said by fuziwuzi

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Having previously used TiVO (a Series2 DirecTiVO), the current Motorola interface is a very very weak substitute in many areas.

said by bicker

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I have four TiVos (one S1, three S2s and a S3), and agree that there is a distinct advantage to a real TiVo. However, the iGuide interface on the Comcast Motorola boxes is adequate for the task, and provides comparable service with no up-front investment, no year-long service commitment (which is now a requirement for the regular TiVo service), and a significantly lower monthly price (at the new customer, one year commitment rate).

The choice is clear:

TiVo - great but expensive
iGuide - good but inexpensive

No, the iGuide interface is not comparable. Try searching on iGuide compared to TiVO. Set up a "Wish List" on iGuide? Try getting iGuide data past 3 or 4 days (yes, I know some people claim to get much more iGuide data and Comcast advertises "up to 14 days", but mine has never had more than 3 days and even then it is a crap shoot with most programming showing "To Be Announced").

Besides, now Comcast is charging $12/month for this Moto box. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18591462 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:06:40 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18591239 bicker : I only pay $9.95 for the DVR now. Maybe at $17 the TiVo software would be included!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18591239 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:08:36 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18589799 joetaxpayer :

said by billygreen23

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I really hope it's a free upgrade. It's just not worth it to me to pay an extra 5 or 10 bucks a month when my current DVR does the job just fine.

There's really just the one quirk. Repeated recording of shows already recorded that's bit annoying. Not really $5/mo/box annoying, though. I'll wait to see. $17 is enough to pay each month for a DVR. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18589799 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:58:52 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18589688 LonghornXP : I've been hearing it will be around the 3.99 mark at least in New Hampshire. I'm also hearing that triple play customers with digital premier may get Tivo software included in the bundle at no extra charge. This would also include anyone part of a triple play bundle its just that you must order all premium channels. This is all rumor of course but I do feel good about the free upgrade for triple play customers who order all premiums.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18589688 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:37:38 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587787 bicker : I cannot imagine why they would make it a free upgrade. They paid a lot of money for it. It adds a good bit of value. That translates into an extra fee, either way you look at it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587787 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:56:23 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587740 billygreen23 : I really hope it's a free upgrade. It's just not worth it to me to pay an extra 5 or 10 bucks a month when my current DVR does the job just fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587740 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:50:29 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587485 bicker : The exact amount hasn't been announced but there will definitely be an added charge for the TiVo software running on the Comcast Motorola boxes. Estimates by relatively smart folks online have ranged from $5 - $8 per month, but they're just guesses.

Just a note to fill in some info regarding Gemstar versus Tribune. As mentioned before, Gemstar provides program guide data for iGuide, the software currently running on most Comcast Motorola DVRs. Tribune provides program guide data for all stand-alone TiVo, Series 1, Series 2 and Series 3 DVRs. The Comcast Motorola boxes running the TiVo software will use program guide data from Gemstar not from Tribune. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587485 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:03:41 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587318 joetaxpayer :

said by bicker

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TiVo - great but expensive
iGuide - good but inexpensive

When Comcast gets this, will there be a choice? Pay more, get the software, or is Comcast absorbing the cost, and no line item adder to the bill?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587318 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:37:28 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587206 bicker :

said by imrf

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TV Guide provides the guide data for the iGuide, Tivo gets their guide data from Tribune.

Just FYI: imrf and I are agreeing here: Gemstar is TV Guide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587206 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:20:34 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587194 imrf :

said by fuziwuzi

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but TiVO uses the same guide data

No they don't. TV Guide provides the guide data for the iGuide, Tivo gets their guide data from Tribune.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587194 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:19:12 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587184 bicker :

said by fuziwuzi

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You do know you don't even have to delete the episodes.

Yes, that's true, but is that what your initial instinct would be?

said by fuziwuzi

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The current system will record every episode even if that same episode is still in your viewing list, even if you haven't watched it, yet.

That is not the way the current system works for me.

said by fuziwuzi

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... TiVO uses the same guide data and doesn't have the issue due to a bit more intelligence.

TiVo doesn't use the same guide data. Comcast gets its guide data from Gemstar, while TiVo gets its guide data from Tribune.

said by fuziwuzi

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Having previously used TiVO (a Series2 DirecTiVO), the current Motorola interface is a very very weak substitute in many areas.

I have four TiVos (one S1, three S2s and a S3), and agree that there is a distinct advantage to a real TiVo. However, the iGuide interface on the Comcast Motorola boxes is adequate for the task, and provides comparable service with no up-front investment, no year-long service commitment (which is now a requirement for the regular TiVo service), and a significantly lower monthly price (at the new customer, one year commitment rate).

The choice is clear:

TiVo - great but expensive
iGuide - good but inexpensive]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18587184 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:17:19 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18586368 fuziwuzi :

said by bicker

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With the current iGuide software, if you have, say, The Starter Wife as a series recording, record it on Thursday, and then watch and delete it on Friday, the iGuide software would record it again on Saturday. Delete that, and it will record it again on Monday. And so on. (And that's even though you have it set to just records new episodes -- the episodes are "new" all week.)

You do know you don't even have to delete the episodes. The current system will record every episode even if that same episode is still in your viewing list, even if you haven't watched it, yet. I left on vacation and came back with 10 recordings of the same "SG-1" episode on the drive, as well as multiple recordings of other series episodes. Some apologists blame the "guide data" for this problem, but TiVO uses the same guide data and doesn't have the issue due to a bit more intelligence.

Having previously used TiVO (a Series2 DirecTiVO), the current Motorola interface is a very very weak substitute in many areas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18586368 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:45:26 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18586261 nascar : If you take a look at the TiVo demo videos it looks pretty good. If you look at the Verizon IMG guide it looks pretty good.

All run on a 6412/3412 box. Now, I have not seen/used it personally so I can't say it is better with 100% certainty. But, if the demos are valid then it is exciting and a step in the right direction to me.
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said by bicker

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Unfortunately (perhaps), I live North of Boston, not South.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd do the TiVo thing right-off. I'm sure there will still be some lingering bugs in the TiVo software itself. Also, I don't feel the TiVo software would be worth it until/unless it resolved some of the underlying problems in the Motorola DCT/DCH infrastructure (which may be impossible) such as remote control command backlog. As long as my TiVo Series 3 still provides me all the channels I need, my Comcast DVR will remain a backup, catching the few cases where we need three or four tuners recording at the same time.

I don't have Comcast Central where I am; just the regular iGuide interface.

In other words, the TiVo software may be like putting lipstick on a pig? I believe you do have a point there. Perhaps the Motorola infrastructure is too flawed to put something as high-end/powered as TiVo software. You would think that they would seriously have to water it down.
I know this is a stupid idea, but maybe Comcast should have planned to make another guide of its own that was somewhat high-end to test the capabilities/stability of the Motorola infrastructure in place(one that doesn't require OCAP at that, considering it'll be a while before OCAP is widespread. Correct me if I am wrong but, TiVo requires OCAP, right?). I guess it was more cheap/feasible/faster to simply get software from a company with an already popular interface.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585814 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:32:05 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585750 bicker : Unfortunately (perhaps), I live North of Boston, not South.

Besides, I'm not sure I'd do the TiVo thing right-off. I'm sure there will still be some lingering bugs in the TiVo software itself. Also, I don't feel the TiVo software would be worth it until/unless it resolved some of the underlying problems in the Motorola DCT/DCH infrastructure (which may be impossible) such as remote control command backlog. As long as my TiVo Series 3 still provides me all the channels I need, my Comcast DVR will remain a backup, catching the few cases where we need three or four tuners recording at the same time.

I don't have Comcast Central where I am; just the regular iGuide interface.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585750 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:08:09 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585579 Georgiaboy :

said by bicker

said by Georgiaboy

:

If only TiVo gave them a deadline for a commercial deployment(wishful/foolish thinking).

I vote for "foolish" thinking: Anyone who demands software be delivered on a certain date is an idiot. You want software to be delivered when it reaches a certain level of assured quality, never-ever before.

said by Georgiaboy

:

Oh well, it's probably not feasible for them to roll the TiVo software out anytime soon.

Plan on the southern portion of Comcast's Boston market to receive the offer starting in August.

Oh, cool. You are in that market right? I remember hearing a lot about the Boston market possibly receiving it first on AVS, but I didn't expect it to be this soon because of the "unofficial"(who ever even gave an accurate launch date? Seriously.) delay that this thread is about.

Also, Boston does have Comcast Central, right? Are there plans to incorporate that into the TiVo guide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585579 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:49:58 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585446 bicker :

said by joetaxpayer

:

Pardon my ignorance. What would this TiVo update do that current DVRs don't?

The main improvements would be the enhanced user-interface. It wouldn't do anything extra -- it would instead be easier to understand, more convenient, and a little smarter. Perhaps the best enhancement would be that once you've seen an episode for a series recording (called "Season Passes" with TiVo), TiVo won't record it again for at least 30 days. With the current iGuide software, if you have, say, The Starter Wife as a series recording, record it on Thursday, and then watch and delete it on Friday, the iGuide software would record it again on Saturday. Delete that, and it will record it again on Monday. And so on. (And that's even though you have it set to just records new episodes -- the episodes are "new" all week.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585446 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:25:01 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585445 bicker :

said by Georgiaboy

:

If only TiVo gave them a deadline for a commercial deployment(wishful/foolish thinking).

said by Georgiaboy

:

Oh well, it's probably not feasible for them to roll the TiVo software out anytime soon.

Plan on the southern portion of Comcast's Boston market to receive the offer starting in August.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18585445 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:21:15 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583963 cypherstream : So basically that means the Tivo Motorola has gone Gold? Good to know. Now how long to distribution, local installation and testing and finally public release? I'm looking forward to it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583963 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:49:01 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583944 joetaxpayer : Pardon my ignorance. What would this TiVo update do that current DVRs don't? I read the short press release, this is a software push, right? Same DVR box we have now?
JOE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583944 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:45:45 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583513 Georgiaboy :

said by nascar

:

TiVo says Comcast accepts software for DVRs

»www.reuters.com/article/technolo···20070628

I guess that this confirms that Comcast actually plans to deploy the product. If only TiVo gave them a deadline for a commercial deployment(wishful/foolish thinking). Oh well, it's probably not feasible for them to roll the TiVo software out anytime soon. At least not a widespread roll-out.

Hey nascar, do you think they would be able to integrate the Comcast Central(I wonder why no markets in the south have it, at least none that I've heard of. I know Atlanta doesn't) feature into the TiVo guide? That would be interesting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583513 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:24:17 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583451 nascar : TiVo says Comcast accepts software for DVRs

»www.reuters.com/article/technolo···20070628
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18583451 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:11:20 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18430730 nascar : New England forum members:

Please post as soon as you find anything out regarding TiVo. Thanks!
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18430730 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 09:28:28 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18424582 cypherstream : It doesn't say 2009 gebe. Our area has the servers in place, so once they are allowed to load the software, configure, test, and train on it we should see it. Who knows when that is.

Bidger made a good comment over at AVS Forums:
All I know is that the situation puts me in mind of a story I heard on the HDNet series "Industry Insiders".

They had a rep from Slingbox on the panel and he said that after they had gone public with their product selling them at retail, he heard from a Comcast rep. The Comcast rep was disappointed that Slingbox hadn't gone with Comcast exclusively. The Slingbox rep replied, "Well, you probably would have left us hanging for 18 months and bled us dry financially". The Comcast rep thought for a moment, then replied, "More like 24 months". I couldn't help but think of the TiVo arrangement when I heard that.

Too bad the term "New England" didn't include the original 13 colonies. Then when they say it arrives in New England this August PA could of be included. Darn...

Definitions of New England on the Web:

* The region of the United States comprising present- day Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut and noted for its early industrialization and intellectual life. Traditionally, home of the shrewd, independent, thrifty "Yankee" trader.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18424582 Thu, 31 May 2007 08:17:29 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18424423 gebe : how about this! »www.tvpredictions.com/tivocomcast053107.htm ..does this mean PA will see it sometime in 2009?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18424423 Thu, 31 May 2007 06:59:40 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420896 billygreen23 :

said by scanpa

:

My last day at the reading headend was on Friday, and they were still awaiting the complete software install on the brand new headend equipment setup for the TiVo Software.

Now I guess I wait with everyone else. They already removed my 2 Employee On Demand Access Channels.

Also cant wait to get my next Billing Statement.

It will be going up quite a bit.

Just curious, what are the Employee On Demand Access Channels?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18420896 Wed, 30 May 2007 16:20:22 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18419577 nascar : OK, I expected that. Thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18419577 Wed, 30 May 2007 12:39:29 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18419529 cypherstream : Does anyone know if the Tivo software will require DSG (DOCSIS Set Top Gateway) implemented to function? I think most of the in depth searching (by actor, genre, etc...) is handled on a back end server which is equipped to execute such process intensive queries.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18419529 Wed, 30 May 2007 12:30:50 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417827 scanpa : Each type of Software / Firmware is handled on seperate headend equipment. For example, say The TiVo Comcast service was available, and you are currently running the Reg DVR software & Guide, your stb seriel number is on that server, they will switch it in your account and you will be added to the server that holds the TiVo software and then you will do a reset and your STB will download the available software, firmware, account info ect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18417827 Wed, 30 May 2007 02:38:20 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18416342 nascar :

said by scanpa

What does the TiVo require in the Headend?
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18416342 Tue, 29 May 2007 20:47:51 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18412775 cypherstream : Yes, we will miss your inside knowledge. Hope you've moved on to greener pastures. Now you can just sit with us on the customer side of the fence and speculate everything to your hearts content. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18412775 Tue, 29 May 2007 08:51:13 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18411978 scooby : scanpa - we are going to miss your inside knowledge. Hope you enjoy your new job.
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SunRocket - You get what you pay for!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18411978 Tue, 29 May 2007 00:53:11 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18411939 scanpa : My last day at the reading headend was on Friday, and they were still awaiting the complete software install on the brand new headend equipment setup for the TiVo Software.

Now I guess I wait with everyone else. They already removed my 2 Employee On Demand Access Channels.

Also cant wait to get my next Billing Statement.

It will be going up quite a bit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18411939 Tue, 29 May 2007 00:45:58 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18403973 caddyroger :

said by JarredR :

I'll tell you all from experience that TIVO is clunky and NOT smooth. It is a big yawn. Plus by 2008 it will already by outdated and surpassed by better systems. Too much useless information.

I have a Tivo s3, it faster and better then comcast Motorola dvrs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18403973 Sun, 27 May 2007 13:31:37 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18402827 magilladke : I've used both the Comcast and TiVo DVRs. Tivo UI and overall is much better than the Comcast DVR. The only thing I'd give the Comcast Box is the TV Guide is FASTER. The features of the TiVo are much better (and I only have the Series 2).

My 2 cents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18402827 Sun, 27 May 2007 07:57:47 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18402597 Pictor Guy :

Good for you. You can keep your Comcast DVR. I'll stick with my TiVo and DirecTV. If not for the high price of the TiVo 3 I may already be on Comcast. Until then, I'll hold off for the Comcast TiVo HD-DVR.

From my own experience, I have been disappointed with other DVRs when compared to the TiVo. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18402597 Sun, 27 May 2007 04:16:35 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18369915 fuziwuzi :

I have used TiVO for several years. It was anything but clunky, it operated very smoothly and everything worked as designed. The only reason I no longer use it is because I had to move to where I could not get DirecTV (and thus use my DirecTiVO Series 2 box). Going from that TiVO system to the current Comcast Motorola boxes can be very frustrating.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18369915 Mon, 21 May 2007 09:23:57 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18369523 nascar :

said by JarredR :

Plus by 2008 it will already by outdated and surpassed by better systems. Too much useless information.

Care to elaborate what better systems? Can't wait to hear about your list of vaporware.

Secondly if you are going to tell me something from GuideWorks will be better...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I suppose you have a bridge to sell us too.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18369523 Mon, 21 May 2007 06:52:19 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18368478 anon : I'll tell you all from experience that TIVO is clunky and NOT smooth. It is a big yawn. Plus by 2008 it will already by outdated and surpassed by better systems. Too much useless information.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18368478 Sun, 20 May 2007 22:51:05 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18360541 fuziwuzi :

said by pjhofmann

:

I tell you though, if the I-Guide was as responsive in terms of selections, FF, REW, skip and so on than my S2 Tivo I'd be less inclined to want the Tivo interface on this Moto box.

Yes, the (un)responsiveness of the current software is a big drawback to them. I can't single-speed fast forward without it hanging, the command-queuing issue... I hope that the TiVO software won't have those same problems on these boxes.

It is the unresponsiveness that keeps me from using the current VOD. I've checked out the VOD offerings, but trying to use them is so incredibly slow and frustrating I just don't try them anymore. They are a waste in my opinion. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18360541 Sat, 19 May 2007 09:45:02 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18357727 nascar : Yes, I fear the TiVo may dog the Moto box. But I would love to see it one day.
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said by nascar

:

Then don't hijack.

sorry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18357094 Fri, 18 May 2007 16:40:56 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356935 pjhofmann : I tell you though, if the I-Guide was as responsive in terms of selections, FF, REW, skip and so on than my S2 Tivo I'd be less inclined to want the Tivo interface on this Moto box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356935 Fri, 18 May 2007 16:10:27 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356662 nascar : toolkit,

Thank you. I was getting the feeling I was the only one that realizes the value of TiVo.

You have to use it to understand it.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356662 Fri, 18 May 2007 15:13:06 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18355646 toolkit :

said by nascar

:

Obviously you are very uninformed.

I have to agree with Nascar on this one. TiVo is not something that you fully appreciate by seeing it in a store, or by using it for an hour at a friends house. Only after you have owned a TiVo, and probably for at least a month, do you really start to understand just how well done the interface is.

If you have owned a TiVo for a few years, as I have, and then try to switch to the Comcast DVR, as I have, you are very disappointed. It does (basically) the same functions, but all the little details that are missing make for a much less satisfying experience.

I hope - I really hope - that the TiVo software running on Comcast boxes will have all of those little details implemented. Things like automatically backing up just a bit when you stop fast forwarding, and being able to back out of menus with the left button, and being able to tell it to record an extra minute or two minutes at the beginning/end of a show so you don't miss the last part of the show, etc, etc, etc, etc...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18355646 Fri, 18 May 2007 11:52:23 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354539 nascar : I'm curious if anyone in the New England area has any TiVo information as of now.

If not, please post when you do.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354539 Fri, 18 May 2007 07:35:50 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354533 nascar : Then don't hijack.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354533 Fri, 18 May 2007 07:34:26 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353754 Georgiaboy :

said by nascar

:

I guess that is just vaporware hype as of now.

Hate to Hijack, but though its progress is very insignificant, Savannah is obviously making a step forward tonight by digital simulcasting our NBC affiliate. It looks awesome, the feed is superior to the analog counterpart. I'm hoping they simulcast more sometime soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353754 Fri, 18 May 2007 00:30:07 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353567 nascar : I guess that is just vaporware hype as of now.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353567 Thu, 17 May 2007 23:45:19 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353375 cypherstream : Here's another Comcast reseller with Comcast and Tivo written all over it...

»cable.newtechnologytv.com/comcast-tivo.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353375 Thu, 17 May 2007 23:10:03 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353081 Xela19115 : Its just TV even if its TIVO. Nothing to get worked up over.
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xela19115]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353081 Thu, 17 May 2007 22:16:20 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18350770 nascar :

said by jenkins :

Tivo is just an expensive toy that saves you from having to think or push an extra button or two, plus the fact the graphics remind me of the Disney channel-very childish.

Obviously you are very uninformed.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18350770 Thu, 17 May 2007 14:35:12 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349940 anon : I have to say you're silly for being disappointed because Rogers didn't target a specific date. Some of us have been waiting for products, channels, and services for years. Seems like the cable industry moves about the same speed as building highways - a section at a time. And since we all know that, it's better to just get up some day and discover you have a new service. Then you'll be pleasantly surprised. I have Comcast DVR service and I like it very much. Tivo is just an expensive toy that saves you from having to think or push an extra button or two, plus the fact the graphics remind me of the Disney channel-very childish.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18349940 Thu, 17 May 2007 12:03:40 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18344083 nascar : I would like to hear Rogers, who is the CEO of TiVo, say that if all goes well we are targeting such and such a date.

His vagueness is disappointing at best. I would expect them to know customers (me) are anxiously waiting.

Seems to be typical in the Cable industry. The left foot has no idea what the right foot is doing. And most are in denial anyway.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18344083 Wed, 16 May 2007 12:46:49 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18342804 bicker :

said by nascar

:

What kind of statement is that? We hope? He doesn't know?

I wouldn't expect anyone to know when software, provided by a sub-contractor, will be sufficiently high-quality to pass acceptance testing. (Putting on my Quality Manager hat.) It would violate quality assurance principles to say that testing will be completed on a specific DATE. Testing and remediation continues until the product is acceptable. Then, and only then, can management announce a date for the offering. Date-driven QA is irresponsible management.

So to answer your question directly: Rogers is being responsible in his statements.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18342804 Wed, 16 May 2007 06:06:09 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18339117 nascar : Maybe we should call them up and find out. ;)
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18339117 Tue, 15 May 2007 15:27:27 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18339096 cypherstream : Interesting, go here and read the second to last paragraph:
»snltranscripts.jt.org/comcast/co···ire.html

Comcast NH services include digital video recorders (DVR) and TiVo to enable subscribers to digitally record and store programming for later viewing.

TiVo? So they have it up in NH already?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18339096 Tue, 15 May 2007 15:22:27 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18338724 nascar : It's also not too smart to act like an idiot.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18338724 Tue, 15 May 2007 14:26:27 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18338504 caddyroger :

said by nascar

:

"Comcast is testing the software, but, "we don't have a date yet" for a rollout, Rogers says. "We hope it will be relatively near term." "

What kind of statement is that? We hope? He doesn't know?

»www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2···ch_N.htm

What he saying is they are testing the software but it is not ready and not going to guess when it will be ready. Not to smart to give dates out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18338504 Tue, 15 May 2007 13:55:53 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18338170 nascar : "Comcast is testing the software, but, "we don't have a date yet" for a rollout, Rogers says. "We hope it will be relatively near term." "

What kind of statement is that? We hope? He doesn't know?

»www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2···ch_N.htm
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18338170 Tue, 15 May 2007 12:56:32 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18318837 LonghornXP : Chelmsford, MA is part of both the North East and New England area so yeah your area is included in this trial. That isn't to say that Boston could get it first while your area would be say three weeks behind so just keep that in mind.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18318837 Fri, 11 May 2007 15:37:18 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18317923 intokkabire : Any more detailed information floating around about the NE trial?
In particular if Chelmsford, MA is included?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18317923 Fri, 11 May 2007 12:42:22 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312954 LonghornXP :

said by cypherstream

:

LonghornXP said there was a big bug that deleted all of your recordings after the Tivo download.

Get in here LonghornXP and explain yourself again!

You explained the problem perfectly so I don't need to say anything more. Also the last post about the market trial in New England this summer is also indeed true. Now for those of you outside New England you are looking at the fall but early fall for your trials. Also a few markets outside of New England could have the trial in the summer but alas nobody knows what each market will do beyond the New England markets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312954 Thu, 10 May 2007 14:40:34 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312665 FanaticGamer : Take it for what its worth guys, Got an email @ work. That stated:

V

IDEO INFORMATION

Comcast/TiVo Partnership

Some markets may be receiving calls from customers inquiring about the availability of the Comcast/TiVo product. Please note that Comcast is planning a market trial in New England this summer. Launches in additional markets have not been planned at this time. Additional information and updates will be provided as they become available.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312665 Thu, 10 May 2007 13:44:00 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312314 cypherstream : Well the Tivo S3 uses the Broadcom BCM7038 CPU and the Broadcom BCM7411 Decoder. It is said to have 128MB of RAM shared by the CPU, decoder, etc.
Credit: »www.tivolovers.com/Series3-Review.html )

From Broadcom on the 7038
»www.broadcom.com/products/Cable/···/BCM7038
The BCM7038 incorporates a 300 MHz 64-bit MIPS® CPU, along with floating point processor, which has a very fast path o 400 MHz DDR system memory to support the high-performance needs required by advanced applications. Numerous other cost saving features have been incorporated into the chip, enabling manufacturers to be more competitive in the HD market.

From Broadcom on the 7411
»www.broadcom.com/products/Cable/···/BCM7411
The BCM7411 introduces the advantages of the H.264 video compression algorithm to today's advanced consumer and broadcast applications. The BCM7411 is a dual-channel AVC/MPEG-2 decoder chip capable of full HD realtime decoding.

As for the Motorola 6412 I haven't been able to find as detailed concrete information, but I did find a post that said "he DCT-6412 Phase 3 uses the MIPS processor included in the Broadcom BCM-7038 decoder." I do also know that it also has 128 MB of shared RAM. I could not find the specs on the 6412 Phase 1/2.

The fact that the CPU and memory is the same leads me to believe that the performance found on a real S3 Tivo should be attainable on a Motorola DVR granted that optimized programming is done to maintain all of the resources efficiently.

I sure hope that the Motorola DCT box has the ability to run more robust applications such as Tivo. Motorola claims that their boxes can display "rich colorful graphics". Perhaps the slow performance and bland interface we experience day to day is just due to the I-Guide Software.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312314 Thu, 10 May 2007 12:44:22 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311964 Johnny :

said by Travelfan1

:

my thoughts re Tivo:

1- I will definitively not get it as soon as it's available to be downloaded for Moto 6412 boxes. The 6412 boxes already have their own issues(slowness in response to the remote being the one that bothers us much), so I'll give it some months prior to considering getting it.

Is it pretty much known that the remote slow responsiveness isn't helped by switching to the TiVo interface? That would be a bummer.

2- $$$ will be a factor - if the s/w is stable and I can get it, say, for another 1 or 2 per month, I'll consider it. otherwise, if it is, say, an extra 5 bucks or more, probably not.

Does anybody know anything about the new remotes they supposedly are going to send out for use with the TiVo interface? This silver remote is about the biggest kludge imaginable compared to a real TiVo remote. As usual, it looks as if it were designed by an engineer rather than a user - instead of the "swap" button being a large easy to find button near the top, it is a teensy relabeled button near the bottom. I made the "A" button do 30-second skip, but that's an even worse kludge.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311964 Thu, 10 May 2007 11:44:41 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311847 Travelfan1 : my thoughts re Tivo:

1- I will definitively not get it as soon as it's available to be downloaded for Moto 6412 boxes. The 6412 boxes already have their own issues(slowness in response to the remote being the one that bothers us much), so I'll give it some months prior to considering getting it.

2- $$$ will be a factor - if the s/w is stable and I can get it, say, for another 1 or 2 per month, I'll consider it. otherwise, if it is, say, an extra 5 bucks or more, probably not.

In fact, while Comcast doesn't address my particular situation(low signal strength coming TO the pole near my condo, according to the CSR I am dealing with, Construction and Engineering depts are in the picture to address it), I won't worry about getting other services from Comcast, being Tivo, HSI, etc.
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Verizon DSL
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311847 Thu, 10 May 2007 11:19:16 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311635 cypherstream : LonghornXP said there was a big bug that deleted all of your recordings after the Tivo download.

Get in here LonghornXP and explain yourself again!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311635 Thu, 10 May 2007 10:26:48 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311593 nascar : Anyone else really excited for this? I keep hearing that it is close then I hear it isn't. I usually get good information but this inconsistent information I get regarding TiVo has me worried.
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"At work, they rushed for 2 months to get all the equipment installed and running, then we get told the rollout of the system software (for the headend) has been delayed. Were all like WTF! We have heard nothing since they told us about the delayed system software rollout. almost been a month now.

The good thing is our headend is ready to go as soon as the testing and setup of said software is installed."

This is for the Central PA region. Lebanon, Pottsville, Reading.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18283017 Fri, 04 May 2007 19:28:15 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18269440 Johnny : For what it's worth, here's what the local VP told me last week when I asked him if there was anything he could share.

Comcast is currently testing the TIVO software in the Comcast DVR in a few systems up north. No word yet on roll out dates. Have a good evening.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18269440 Wed, 02 May 2007 13:36:49 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18262300 Loker :

said by nascar

:

Well... It is now May. TiVo??? Anything? No news can't be good.

no news is normal on a rather large project like this. We did after all just get a bunch of videos of it from CES...
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said by fuziwuzi

said by Loker

said by fuziwuzi

:

The technician that installed the latest 3416 box for me had never heard of the TiVO deal, either. He said he had never heard anyone talking about TiVO software for the Motorola boxes and he had been a technician (and he was not a contractor, he works for Comcast) for over 4 years in Atlanta. A friend who is the warehouse manager for Comcast in the Atlanta area and is responsible for the shipping and receiving of all these boxes had also never heard of the TiVO deal.

Either you have your times messed up or both people you heard it from were full of crap.....the Comcast/Tivo deal has not existed for 4 years yet....

HUH???? I said the technician had worked for Comcast for over 4 years, I said nothing about the TiVO deal being 4 years. Try reading the post again, slowly this time. Ready to apologize yet?

shhh you are making me look stupid.... :D
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said by Loker

said by fuziwuzi

Either you have your times messed up or both people you heard it from were full of crap.....the Comcast/Tivo deal has not existed for 4 years yet....

HUH???? I said the technician had worked for Comcast for over 4 years, I said nothing about the TiVO deal being 4 years. Try reading the post again, slowly this time. Ready to apologize yet?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18179026 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:53:36 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18177225 anon : »www.pvrwire.com/category/comcast/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18177225 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:47:00 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18174852 Loker :

said by fuziwuzi

:

The technician that installed the latest 3416 box for me had never heard of the TiVO deal, either. He said he had never heard anyone talking about TiVO software for the Motorola boxes and he had been a technician (and he was not a contractor, he works for Comcast) for over 4 years in Atlanta. A friend who is the warehouse manager for Comcast in the Atlanta area and is responsible for the shipping and receiving of all these boxes had also never heard of the TiVO deal.

Either you have your times messed up or both people you heard it from were full of crap.....the Comcast/Tivo deal has not existed for 4 years yet....
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"While preceding your entrance with a grenade is a good tactic in Quake, it can lead to problems if attempted at work." -- C Hacking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18174852 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 11:55:18 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18174411 fuziwuzi :

said by fiberguy

said by scanpa

:

She had never heard of it, and went to ask her supervisor, who got on the line and said, Comcast has yet to sign a deal with TiVo for this service, and there was no Comcast TiVo DVR software created yet.

...

That's really bad, when the call center sales and upgrade staff no nothing of an item that is due out in less then 2 months. Guess that explains why the Lebanon Call center and office is always looking for HELP!

The technician that installed the latest 3416 box for me had never heard of the TiVO deal, either. He said he had never heard anyone talking about TiVO software for the Motorola boxes and he had been a technician (and he was not a contractor, he works for Comcast) for over 4 years in Atlanta. A friend who is the warehouse manager for Comcast in the Atlanta area and is responsible for the shipping and receiving of all these boxes had also never heard of the TiVO deal. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18174411 Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:35:21 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18170211 Georgiaboy :

said by fiberguy

said by scanpa

Yeah, but that was only a reference to Nascar's area. I mean, I do think it is sort of bad when none of the customer accessible employee staff in a particular knows about something coming out soon.(Whether to that particular market or not)
Every system(including Supervisors and the staff mentioned by Nascar) should know about such developments.

But then again, there is always the chance that they know and don't want to inform customers which is very understandable since the product has not been rolled out yet. I mean, you don't want a whole bunch a people claiming that "Comcast promised it would be ??? when Comcast rolls out ???".

People tend to accept every possible date given by Comcast representatives as promises or fact. I even did.

In fact, I'm crossing my fingers that the speculations of digital simulcast among techs in the area is correct. They are "claiming"(to imply my cynicism/skepticism) that everything such as equipment is in place and that they plan to flip the switch sometimes in May. I got it from a messenger on AVS. I'm very hopeful, but I certainly won't accept this as a promise.

I think there may be a chance though. I say this because, to my surprise, Comcast is providing about 4-6 expanded basic/basic channels in digital via QAM tuners.(as I was told by a Savannah customer using a cablecard on the AVS forum).

Also, according to the "messenger", the tech actually knew what ADS was and gave a description of how it would work. I normally don't trust techs, but if the "messenger" was serious, this was somewhat unprecedented. Last year, most techs were clueless about ADS or would give some random far out date. We may actually have a chance here.

We'll see, but I may not pay it much attention when May arrives anyway because I'll be focused on AP Exams (Yikes!! Wish me luck, and I'll study hard to enforce your wish)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18170211 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:30:07 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18170023 fiberguy :

said by scanpa

I think this make of a good 'story" than it does fact... Tivo is all over the company.. in news letters and on many different communications.. I really gotta say this just sounds like great company on a site where there are people just waiting for the next "I can't believe how bad comcast is.."

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"Complaining is the least path of resistance for the self-reitchous and lazy ... those who also never take the time to point out a good fortune when the opportunity presents itself. It says a lot about one's moral character." - Unknown]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18170023 Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:48:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18167021 cypherstream :

said by scanpa

said by nascar

:

Anything?

Nothing yet out of the Reading headend.

:(

Sad :-(

I wonder if it will work with Comcast Central?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18167021 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:37:35 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18165206 scanpa :

said by nascar

:

Anything?

Nothing yet out of the Reading headend.

:(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18165206 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:12:23 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18164356 nascar : Anything?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18164356 Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:10:26 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18056389 scanpa : It will be available for employees at least 30 days before the public release.

There should be something in the Emplotee on demand area soon about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18056389 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:50:18 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055881 caddyroger :

said by patspub

:

I sent comcast an e-mail on if the "Tivo Software" was available with their "DVR" yet. This was their response.

Thank you for contacting us regarding your Comcast cable service.

The TiVo software is already available in some areas. Please contact us
1-800-266-2278 and an agent would be able to help you with this information.

If you have any additional questions, please reply to this email or call our
customer service department. Our customer service department can be reached at
1-800-COMCAST. We are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Thank you again for your e-mail. We appreciate you taking the time to contact
us.

Sincerely,
Muhammad
Comcast Customer Care Specialist

Yes it out but only being tested as of right now maybe in July it will be out. When it ready for the general pubic comcast will let you now ether by mail or sending you a message on your stb just watch for the little red light. They even might have it on tv ads. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055881 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:05:42 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055563 patspub : I sent comcast an e-mail on if the "Tivo Software" was available with their "DVR" yet. This was their response.

Thank you for contacting us regarding your Comcast cable service.

The TiVo software is already available in some areas. Please contact us
1-800-266-2278 and an agent would be able to help you with this information.

If you have any additional questions, please reply to this email or call our
customer service department. Our customer service department can be reached at
1-800-COMCAST. We are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for your convenience.

Thank you again for your e-mail. We appreciate you taking the time to contact
us.

Sincerely,
Muhammad
Comcast Customer Care Specialist]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18055563 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:48:56 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054710 scanpa : The Java based Guide will be on the newer DVR STB.

The Iguide will still be the main Comcast EPG. Why do you think there porting it onto the SA 8300 HD & 8300HD DVR STB.

They want one EPG for all of there cable systems.

The Java version of the Iguide is a long way off from deployment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054710 Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:19:21 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054338 nascar :

said by markofmayhem

:

I'd rather wait for Ocap/Java to come down (the "J-Guide"). It's light years beyond what's in those screen shots above.

And probably light years away too :huh:

I'll take the TiVo over the iGuide.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054338 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:56:45 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054274 markofmayhem : Wow... that's the world saving Moto-TiVo interface? No thanks! Unless it's free, count me out. I see two, maybe three "cool" things in there. I'd rather wait for Ocap/Java to come down (the "J-Guide"). It's light years beyond what's in those screen shots above.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054274 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:38:41 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054077 Loker : so does anyone know...is this going to be one national roll out or is it just going to be area by area....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054077 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:43:18 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18052637 FanaticGamer : Lol I have 3 Customers that I need to call the day it comes out to setup the Upgrade. I don't remember where I first heard about it. But every rep in this center is aware woohoo!
-FG]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18052637 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:23:06 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051872 cypherstream :

said by scanpa

:

That's really bad, when the call center sales and upgrade staff no nothing of an item that is due out in less then 2 months. Guess that explains why the Lebanon Call center and office is always looking for HELP!

I figured that! It's pretty bad with some customers actually know quite a bit more than trained csr's. I wouldn't mind to help but I already have a job that pays more $$ and Lebanon is just a tad bit further than I wish to drive.

I hope it comes out soon. The sooner the better. My CDV is getting installed the 31st though. That's exciting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051872 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:50:00 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051754 patspub : I like it when I call and request the "Boomerang" channel and the "CSR" thinks I want to know what channel the Eddie Murphy movie is on. SADDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051754 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:25:02 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051620 scanpa : Just for the hell of it, I called the Lebanon Call Center and went to sales and service upgrade.

I asked when the Comcast TiVo DVR service is due to be rolled out.

"The Lady, asked me, do I have a TiVo PVR? I would need to call TiVo for service."

ROFLMAO!

I then explaned to her about Comcast offering a advanced DVR service with Comcast TiVo Software.

She had never heard of it, and went to ask her supervisor, who got on the line and said, Comcast has yet to sign a deal with TiVo for this service, and there was no Comcast TiVo DVR software created yet.

I hung up, after saying goodbye.

I know both of them, so I will have to stop off at Lebanon Comcast and show them the TiVo Software info.

That's really bad, when the call center sales and upgrade staff no nothing of an item that is due out in less then 2 months. Guess that explains why the Lebanon Call center and office is always looking for HELP!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18051620 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:57:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18050885 cypherstream : Not sure, but I think when it becomes available we should make an Official Comcast Tivo thread sticky on this forum. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18050885 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:51:20 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18050831 nascar : Well... It is almost April. I wonder how things with TiVo are proceeding.
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Comcast of NJ II - Union/Verona]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18050831 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:41:11 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616867 SGR : In the stand alone Tivo units you could do this but considering this is basically totally re-written Tivo software I wouldn't doubt it if Comcast requested this feature be left out.

After these pictures I can't wait for Tivo on Comcast. If it's expensive I'll get rid of a premium or two just to get it on ALL DVR's in my house. (3 to be exact)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616867 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:42:18 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615578 phatrabt : I can see in the pics that there is a Channel Filter in the guide. I wonder if you'll finally be able to filter out channels you don't have or want and only see those you do? That would rock as well!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615578 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:11:12 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615511 nascar : Even more pics:

»www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/comc···eatures/
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»www.pvrblog.com/pvr/2007/01/tivo···ics.html
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This photo kind of shows the black bars on the sides:
»www.tivolovers.com.nyud.net:8080···gs-1.jpg

Does a real Tivo S3 fill the screen? Perhaps the video scalar in the Moto just can't do it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17614199 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:12:57 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17614084 fuziwuzi : The 30-second skip for TiVo only has to be reentered if the box is rebooted. Powering off by the remote or on-box button doesn't affect it. I would assume that the function, if still available on the Moto boxes, would act the same.

Currently with the Comcast remote, it appears that the 30-second skip code activates an already programmed function in the box. I programmed the function into the remote when I first got a 6412 box, but after 4 more boxes due to swapouts, the function is still active. With TiVo, the reprogramming of a key on the remote simply tells the box that when getting this command to do a 30-sec skip and not the default function. So rebooting the box reloads the operating system which makes the detection of that button's command revert back to the original function.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17614084 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:28:09 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613448 Loker : I do not know what I would do without the 30 second skip on my iguide.....I can push it a couple of times be into the program press the 15 second replay and be right where I wanna be....
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Until someone gets their hands on one there will be lots of questions up in the air.
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SunRocket - You get what you pay for!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613434 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:21:58 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613420 Loker :

said by scooby

said by Loker

:

I wonder if we will get that Comcast branded Tivo remote?

Also that raises an interesting point in my mind! Will we lose 30 second skip capabilities when we switch to Tivo software?

Hard to say. Tivo has a backdoor for enabling 30 second skip. It just depends if they included that in the code or not.

well I heard that....(you have to enter it every time you turn your box on...so just leave it on lol) but I mean you have to wonder if they will allow it if they are trying to appease broadcasters.....
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said by Loker

:

I wonder if we will get that Comcast branded Tivo remote?

Also that raises an interesting point in my mind! Will we lose 30 second skip capabilities when we switch to Tivo software?

Hard to say. Tivo has a backdoor for enabling 30 second skip on their current boxes. It is not enabled by default. I guess it just depends if they included that in the code or not.
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SunRocket - You get what you pay for!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613415 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:15:38 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613322 Loker : I wonder if we will get that Comcast branded Tivo remote?

Also that raises an interesting point in my mind! Will we lose 30 second skip capabilities when we switch to Tivo software?
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"While preceding your entrance with a grenade is a good tactic in Quake, it can lead to problems if attempted at work." -- C Hacking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613322 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:50:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613061 58483323 : Wow. That guide looks amazing. Comcast has a real winner here. I want this now. :D

--

»www.tivolovers.com/Photos/CES2007/

Is this on a widescreen TV? And is the guide utilizing the widescreen to its fullest?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17613061 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:54:06 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17612384 cypherstream : Those screenshots basically sold me. It's like going from Windows 3.11 straight to Vista. MUCH nicer looking than I-Guide, BY FAR. I'm quite amazed that the little Motorola box can pull off graphics like that. Hmm... what will it be, wait for 250GB Panasonic DVR, or get the Tivo software? We'll have to see what they do with the pricing. I'll get rid of Showtime to offset the cost for all I care, that looks nice. I'd really want to demo it though, then I can get a good gauge of how it performs. Wonder what firmware version is underneath the Tivo guide software? Hope they fixed the HDMI problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17612384 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:07:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17612237 djdanska : I love the proposed tivo remote! This is exactly what some of the directivo users have been waiting for. It's not the same as the regular tivo, but it's a lot closer!
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»www.flickr.com/photos/wahiggins3···/detail/
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SunRocket - You get what you pay for!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17612073 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:19:13 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17611112 58483323 : Wow, that looks really nice. I think $15 would be a good price for this service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17611112 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:57:29 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17610887 cypherstream : Well if it performs the same, it's going to be a big hit. Wonder how much it's gonna cost? Let's see, regular DVR is now $11.95 here. I could see Comcast charging $19.95/month for Tivo easy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17610887 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:25:03 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17610380 scooby : cypherstream: the Tivo S3 (dual cable card model) actually uses the same exact cpu as the Motorola DCT boxes. The S3 also has an add on chip for mpeg4/vc-1 that the Motorola boxes do not have. Appears Tivo was definitely preparing for this it seems.
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said by cypherstream

:

Wow nice pic, and if the ad is that inconspicuous, everyone wins.

Seriously, seeing a pic like that makes me feel a little better about the Motorola DCT's. I always attributed the bland guide due to slow processor and or limited memory in the Motorola boxes. Seeing a high color picture like that looks great! Wonder how well it performs and what other UI Enhancements are in the release (alpha blending, transparency, sound effects, and animations).

Good find GMAN and Scooby, any other screenshots, please post! WOW 7 lines of guide information, I'll take that any day. I might have to purchase this software anyway.

It "looks" like the scaled video has the zoom effect. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17610230 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:37:59 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17610019 cypherstream : Wow nice pic, and if the ad is that inconspicuous, everyone wins.

Seriously, seeing a pic like that makes me feel a little better about the Motorola DCT's. I always attributed the bland guide due to slow processor and or limited memory in the Motorola boxes. Seeing a high color picture like that looks great! Wonder how well it performs and what other UI Enhancements are in the release (alpha blending, transparency, sound effects, and animations).

Good find GMAN and Scooby, any other screenshots, please post! WOW 7 lines of guide information, I'll take that any day. I might have to purchase this software anyway. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17610019 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:12:43 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17606534 scooby : More photos here:
»www.betanews.com/slideshow/Photo···cast/146
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17606375 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:47:22 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17606039 58483323 : If I can still FF through commercials, I'm perfectly fine with that as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17606039 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:39:10 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17605923 scooby : Let me rephrase that. There better not be ads on the guide. I have no problem with the other ads. They are not intrusive like the current TV Guide ad.
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said by scooby

said by 58483323

:

I hope this new TIVO guide won't have ads. Or they'll be implemented smartly. :) So sick of the clunky TV Guide software.

They better not charge more if it has the ads.

it is no secret there is going to be ad's I mean Tivo is implementing ad's in their stand alone boxes as well.....

said by PVRblog :
Not to be outdone, Comcast and TiVo announced that they would be replacing commercials broadcast in recorded shows with updated ads that are more "targeted and relevant." If online advertising is any indication of how targeted and relevant advertising can be, we can't wait to get 50,000 smileys for our TiVo. This also raises questions that the billboard ads raised, like can a relevant Pepsi ad replace a Coke ad? Or, for people living in Detroit and used to being targeted (just not by advertising), a Faygo ad?

None of this ad stuff should be too surprising (well, replacing old ads with new ones kind of is) because TiVo has been saying for a while that they want to make bundles of cash on advertising. It is kind of disheartening, but you can expect to see more advertising in your TiVo as they move their business plan towards earning more and more ad revenue.

also here is a first look at the interface.....»gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-enterta···7203.php]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17605755 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:56:03 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17605434 scooby :

said by 58483323

:

I hope this new TIVO guide won't have ads. Or they'll be implemented smartly. :) So sick of the clunky TV Guide software.

They better not charge more if it has the ads.
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"The TiVo on Comcast service will include such popular TiVo features as WishList, TiVo Suggestions and SeasonPass."

»www.tvpredictions.com/comcasttivo010807.htm
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It could also be connected directly to cable without CC's, and would pick up all the Analogs and every unen crypted Digital. But because cable companies move these channel numbers around, there isn't yet a way for the TiVo to provide Guide info for (and therefore make flexible, TiVo-interface recordings of) those channels. Manual recordings, like an old-school VCR, are, of course, possible. TiVo MAY listen to all the requests and allow for a flexible mapping schema to improve this interface to expected TiVo-quality levels, but they never announce these things - just push down an update someday :)

You could also just use an antenna if you're within 50ish miles (check antennaweb.org) of metropolitan HD sources, and save TONNES of money by going with just basic/extended cable to the TiVo with antenna!

I wanted a bunch of the digitals anyway, and Comcast lets you drop as many tiers as you need and keep precisely what you want with a CableCard - so I got them. Setup was a bit of a hassle because my Adelphia was transitioning and had to switch to using a Comcast headend to authorize the CCs, but the (Adelphia) techs and (Comcast) phonereps worked at it, and set it up flawlessly on the second visit/attempt. Two total hours at home wit techs over two mornings.

It should all be a LOT easier now that Comcast has special instructions out and their system works flawlessly with CCs and S3 TiVos. See if our local headend provides Motorola Cable cards (easier to set up than Scientific Atlanta). Others have had flawless 5 minutes succesfull installs lately!

Oh, and I can do without OnDemand - I can barely catch up on watching whats in my Now Playing List (hard drive), what's the point of MORE programming I can't watch? :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570587 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:58:26 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570532 markofmayhem : How did you hook your Tivo up to comcast? Is there a way without using Smart Cards? The only thing that keeps me with Comcast is Ondemand.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570532 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:49:58 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570415 tishoo :

said by markofmayhem

:

Perhaps your switch is keeping the HDCP alive when you turn your TV off.

That certainly sounds feasible, and sfhub over on avsforums who knows a thing or two (or 7 million) about HDMI and monoprice has alluded to this too.

I hope I don't get that update, but if I do, and start having HDMI-HDCP issues, I will have been stretched beyond my tether of tolerance and WILL buy that second S3 HD TiVo :) I already only record inconsequential shows on my 6412 that I don't mind getting FIFO deleted when space runs out, and am overloading my not-yet-upgraded 30 hour S3 HD TiVo with all the shows I like or movies I plan to watch :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570415 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:32:24 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570082 markofmayhem : Well, I'm not alone. Between neighbors and family members, we all have problems except for my Mother. So out of 11 TV's, only 1 doesn't do this... the $400 special 36" plasma from Walmart, the rest of us range from $1900 to $6500. I'm pretty confident that all of our TV's are less than 2 years old. This problem ONLY started after the new guide update. It wasn't immediate, it was a few weeks later. When we switch the box out, the problem goes away for a few weeks. Then shows up every once in a while (at least once per day), then after a few days, happens every time the TV is turned on. The only way to stop it, is to turn the box off and quickly hit menu, then go to "restore to defaults". This is the ONLY way to get the all green screen or blue screen with the HDCP Protection error to go away. Unplugging/replugging the HDMI cable, playing a recording for a little while, power cycling the box doesn't work after awhile. While the P3's may have solved the HDMI problems before, the new guide has brought them back. Perhaps your switch is keeping the HDCP alive when you turn your TV off.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17570082 Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:34:33 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17567710 tishoo : The specific problem you are describing points to an inability )between the TV & 6412) to negotiate HDMI with HDCP.

Seeing as the 6412PIII seems to have fixed all the past HDMI problems with these units (and it works flawlessly with my small-brand HDTV, even through a cheap monoprice 5x1 HDMI switch), I'd lay the blame on your TV. What model/brand is it? Sony (and to a smaller extent Samsung & Toshiba) was notorious for inept HDMI implementations on some middle-aged HDTVs (1-3 years old)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17567710 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 22:42:07 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17565053 markofmayhem : I just want one thing fixed... if I leave the box on and turn my TV off, when I turn my TV back on I get no audio and a completely green screen. If I go to the service menu (turn box off and hit menu), I get a blue screen with some message about HDCP Protection being compromised, use the Y Pb Pr connections. If I restore the default values, I can watch TV just fine again (until the next time I turn the TV off). Now, it happens no matter how I turn off the DVR and TV. I have a 6412 III hooked up through the HDMI port to the TV, the optical audio to my stereo, and the coax to my VCR. Could the multiple connections be the issue?

I doubt seriously that TiVo is going to fix ANY OF THIS. The problem seems to be more of the Moto hardware than the i-Guide software.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17565053 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:56:42 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562472 tishoo :

said by fuziwuzi

:

If we're asking questions about these boxes, why the hell would the box store 25 remote commands for 5 minutes then execute them all at once? :D

To p*** you off enough into buying an S3 HD TiVo box to replace it with? It worked on me :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562472 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:18:17 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17553132 fuziwuzi :

said by CableTool

:

Then why the hell would the box turn on to record something at two in the morning?

Just to p*** you off, perhaps? It isn't like that is the only quirky "feature" in the program running these boxes. I've had three techs (who swapped out the previous 4 6412's I've had, now on the 5th one, a Phase III that still exhibits much of the same issues as the others) tell me that the power only deactivates the audio/video output. Even with power "off", I can hear the HD heads moving if I listen closely (this new unit has a much quieter drive than previous ones).

If we're asking questions about these boxes, why the hell would the box store 25 remote commands for 5 minutes then execute them all at once? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17553132 Sun, 31 Dec 2006 11:59:48 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17547756 Loker :

said by CableTool

:

Then why the hell would the box turn on to record something at two in the morning?

because it is meant to throw you off!
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said by fuziwuzi

said by celeritypc

said by fuziwuzi

:

Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output.

Uh, no. The hard drive still runs, it still buffers. The video/audio output is the only thing "turned off" by the power button.

Then why the hell would the box turn on to record something at two in the morning?
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said by celeritypc

said by fuziwuzi

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If what you are saying is true, why bother having a power button at all?

Kind of like TiVo's don't have a power button...because they are always on. :uhh:
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said by fuziwuzi

:

Uh, no. The hard drive still runs, it still buffers. The video/audio output is the only thing "turned off" by the power button.

When you turn the box off (put in standby or whatever) it is not buffering. The hard drive may indeed be spinning but there is no writing going on. When the box is on, you can distinctly hear the drive writing. I have had this box for 2 years. I know (and can hear) the difference when it is on vs. off.

If what you are saying is true, why bother having a power button at all?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17547447 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:55:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17546900 fuziwuzi :

said by celeritypc

said by fuziwuzi

:

Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output.

Uh, no. The hard drive still runs, it still buffers. The video/audio output is the only thing "turned off" by the power button.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17546900 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 07:56:37 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17545502 scanpa : The HDD still runs even if the STB is placed in Standby (off) mode.

You can place both tuners on one of the 45 digital music channels and this will stop the buffering, but the HDD will still be on and spinning.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17545502 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:33:23 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17540993 celeritypc :

said by fuziwuzi

:

Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output.

Uhh, it also puts the hard drive into sleep mode thus you no longer hear the sound of the hard drive whirring as well. This is a big advantage when the DVR is in your bedroom and you are trying to sleep.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17540993 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:04:06 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17540893 fuziwuzi :

said by da sponge

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When the unit turns on for a scheduled recording it shuts off afterwards, even if while it is recording you decided to watch a previously recorded program. This has happened since the 6412 and has continued with my 3412. It's been at least a year since I initially reported this.

Don't turn the unit off. The power button on the DVR doesn't really turn the unit itself off, it only deactivates the video output. So you're not "saving electricity" or any wear and tear on anything by using it. That way, your recordings can start as they normally would, and you can still watch another channel or something already recorded without worrying about it shutting off again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17540893 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 08:38:10 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530403 Loker :

said by scanpa

:

It is Bogus, this is only currently being coded / ported to the Motorola DCT series of HD DVR.

Late 2007 is the timeframe for the deal with SA-Comcast for TiVo Software.

I would expect it more around Early to mid 2008 however.

I just seen this when I was scanning the thread and was compelled to reply.....The Tivo/Comcast deal is currently only for Motorola HD-DVR's....I do not think they have even started work on an SA version....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530403 Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:23:32 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530268 da sponge : I've reported multiple bugs and not one has been fixed.

My two main ones are:

When the unit turns on for a scheduled recording it shuts off afterwards, even if while it is recording you decided to watch a previously recorded program. This has happened since the 6412 and has continued with my 3412. It's been at least a year since I initially reported this.

My 3412 gives me an error code HW when the HD fills up. If I delete old shows it goes away, but I can't just let it fill up and delete old content as it needs the space without complaining - newer issue.

I just hope the tivo software is less buggy. I'll wait an extra couple of months if need be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530268 Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:53:25 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514633 ryanmcv : My Comcast bill just went up almost $15 due to their annual price hike, so I don't think I'll be wanting to add their TiVo service for ANOTHER $5-10. I'm getting really sick of these price increases, and it makes me even angrier to see that Comcast has absolutely NO competition in Chicago and many other areas, so consumers don't really have a choice in the matter. Something needs to be done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514633 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:53:59 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511733 CableTool : Thats an INSANE amount of tv viewing!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511733 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:05:24 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17510771 aaronwt : I just picked up a series 3 from Dell Dell this week for $535 shipped after discounts. This will be my third series 3. I think I'll wait until next year to decide whether I get another one. If they enable multi room viewing the 3 will be fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17510771 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 01:14:49 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17501456 anon :

said by mbernste

:

I know no one likes the idea of spending $800 upfront, plus service fees,

You can get a Series 3 for about $650 from several on-line retailers. Dell had them for $600. If you have an older Tivo with Product Lifetime you have till 12/31 to transfer lifetime to the new device.

Here in Atlanta Comcast charges $1.50 for the second cable card. Not too bad.

Still more than I want to pay.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17501456 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:23:56 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17497979 nascar : Relatively speaking, it should be "no big deal" since the i-guide is already delivered this way.

I would think the hurdle is more that the TiVo software probably has a larger footprint then the i-Guide and the 6412/3412 offer. A combination of hardware and RAM would be needed. Bottom line is the majority of the functionality will be there like the stand alone TiVo just that the code had to be rewritten to fit in the 6412/3412 architecture.

I'm looking forward to TiVo. The TiVo software is better written then the i-Guide and any one that has used TiVo knows it has many more features.

The TiVO/Comcast offering is one reason I plan to stick with Comcast and not jump to Verizon. But, rumor has it that once the software is established for the 6412/3412, Verizon will make the same deal with TiVo sometime in 2008. Verizon and TiVo have an agreement now that revolves around Verizon phones.
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said by Loker

said by nascar

:

They don't need to use the internal modem. Software and Firmware are delivered via the cable in an out of bound frequency.

No, what the article said is that sending the data over the cable infrastructure was a hurdle in the development of the Tivo software (they never had to do it before) but the tests were going well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17497532 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:31:32 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17497059 Loker :

said by nascar

:

They don't need to use the internal modem. Software and Firmware are delivered via the cable in an out of bound frequency.

well it said in the article that they are having trouble getting tivo guide data to the cable boxes themselves through the headend....so I did not understand why they do not just enable the cable modem for guide data to download off the internet like standard tivo's do....
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said by nascar

:

This was released to the public:

»multichannel.com/article/CA64005···=comcast

TiVo's can download software over the internet....the 6412 has a cable modem built in....so isn't it common sense that they could use that modem to pull listings down over the internet....(in case anyone is wondering what I am talking about read the article)
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said by Kamaz

said by cypherstream

:

Agreed! You don't want to make the same mistake as with the I-Guide / Motorola DVR's. Those products are obviously in their infancy.

Wait I sec, I'm about to sign up for Comcast triple play with the dual tuner Motorala HD-DVR. Whatever the problems are, are they bad enough that I should hold off on signing up?

It is really buggy and sometimes unreliable. But, would I return it. Nope!

I try to report every bug to Comcast and hope they listen and fix it.
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said by cypherstream

:

Agreed! You don't want to make the same mistake as with the I-Guide / Motorola DVR's. Those products are obviously in their infancy.

Wait I sec, I'm about to sign up for Comcast triple play with the dual tuner Motorala HD-DVR. Whatever the problems are, are they bad enough that I should hold off on signing up?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17492327 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 03:37:21 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17492061 nascar : This was released to the public:

»multichannel.com/article/CA64005···=comcast
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Late 2007 is the timeframe for the deal with SA-Comcast for TiVo Software.

I would expect it more around Early to mid 2008 however.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17470891 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:01:35 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17468640 mbernste : Last I heard, Comcast doesn't charge extra for an HD box if you get their digital tier. Since I transferred my lifetime service from my old Series 2, it only cost me $1,000 total which seems reasonable considering the hardware in the machine. I'm only paying $5/month for 2 cable cards, but at least there's one less box I have to deal with in my home entertainment configuration, plus it allowed me to move the existing HD box to my other HDTV where I have a dual tuner Series 2. This way I can record up to 4 things (3 on digital cable, 1 analog) at the same time while watching a 5th pre-recorded show, the only problem is when's the last time there were 4 things on at the same time worth recording? :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17468640 Sat, 16 Dec 2006 07:48:31 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17467434 kidsafe :

said by mbernste

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I know no one likes the idea of spending $800 upfront, plus service fees, and cable card rental (not to mention that if it breaks you have to buy a new one), but if you wanted an HD TiVo today, you can get one.

Euughh, that's a tough pill to swallow. $800 up front, $300 for 3-years up front, $3-4/mo for two CableCards, $5/mo for HD activiation. All that for a box you probably aren't going to keep for 3 years...yeah thanks, but no thanks, TiVo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17467434 Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:57:20 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17467332 insomniac :

said by cypherstream

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My biggest concern is can the Motorola box handle all the Tivo bells and whistles? They are going to probably use some of the hard drive for the operating system because 16MB flash firmware is just too tiny for all of the pretty Tivo screens and features.

It will probably be able to handle it just fine. You are aware that regular TiVos use part of the hard drive for the OS, right?

Personally, I'm wondering whether the cable company's TiVo will have the home media features that a "real" TiVo does.
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My biggest concern is can the Motorola box handle all the Tivo bells and whistles? They are going to probably use some of the hard drive for the operating system because 16MB flash firmware is just too tiny for all of the pretty Tivo screens and features. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17460754 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:18:09 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17459699 CableTool :

said by patspub

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They always have make a big deal when they "Launch" anything especially new channels

Those BASTARDS! I wish they could just keep all their new products and service on the DL.. you know.. so no one will find out about them.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17459699 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:19:15 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17458542 rkemmer : Almost sprung for a TIVO series 3 until I found out Comcast was going to offer TIVO programing - actually ordered it and then sent it back.

I was told by a representative (while canceling my install appointment for the cable cards) that the TIVO
software could be pushed onto my Scientific Atlanta HD DVR when it became available. I have this DVR because I'm a previous Adelphia customer going through the change-over to Comcast.

Any thoughts about their comments on the usability of the S/A DVR? I'm suspicious it was bogus info?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17458542 Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:56:37 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17332010 formulaben :

said by scanpa

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It's true, that the main Roll-Out for the TiVo Comcast Motorola DVR Software has been pushed from Jan. 2007 till Mid / late April now. :(

However the Few Test Markets will only be delayed till late Jan 2007 for the Public Roll Out instead of Late Dec. 2006.

:(

Is Portland one of the test markets?! I'd love to be a beta tester, as somehow I already feel as such with this Motorola junk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17332010 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:48:11 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17322188 cypherstream :

said by Comcablrtl

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There was never a promised release date anyways...just speculation on everyone's part. There is a version of the product ready, but Comcast wants to make sure that it is as perfect as it can be, before releasing it. I always agree with waiting until a product is better perfected, before releasing it. I think that companies should try to get new things out quickly, but not at the expense of quality. Look at the recent launch of PS3...they are burning out all over the place.

(Let's not all start bringing up the many issues with the Motorola DVRs now)

Agreed! You don't want to make the same mistake as with the I-Guide / Motorola DVR's. Those products are obviously in their infancy. Let the TIVO software mature in the hands of Comcast and its testers. Release it to the general public when it is fit to be polished and clean.

Yeah the PS3 was rushed for the holiday season despite all the shortcomings. They really pulled a Microsoft as in "release it now, fix it later". The dang thing still sells for $900+ on e-bay. That's another conversation all together. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17322188 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:18:45 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17320671 Comcablrtl : There was never a promised release date anyways...just speculation on everyone's part. There is a version of the product ready, but Comcast wants to make sure that it is as perfect as it can be, before releasing it. I always agree with waiting until a product is better perfected, before releasing it. I think that companies should try to get new things out quickly, but not at the expense of quality. Look at the recent launch of PS3...they are burning out all over the place.

(Let's not all start bringing up the many issues with the Motorola DVRs now)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17320671 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:42:28 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17318710 SGR : Why do I have a feeling this won't be the last time this happens?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17318710 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:29:52 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17318467 58483323 : ugh.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17318467 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:52:01 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317687 patspub : By the time Comcast launches their TIVO service it will be next year this time. They always have make a big deal when they "Launch" anything especially new channels]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317687 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:37:54 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317465 scanpa : This is not public released info.

this info was passed on today at work.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317465 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:55:51 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317435 Daniel8802 : any article to back this up?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317435 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:49:32 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317300 scanpa : It's true, that the main Roll-Out for the TiVo Comcast Motorola DVR Software has been pushed from Jan. 2007 till Mid / late April now. :(

However the Few Test Markets will only be delayed till late Jan 2007 for the Public Roll Out instead of Late Dec. 2006.

:(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317300 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:23:49 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317284 formulaben : I'm thinking of another four letter word that starts with F...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17317284 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:21:23 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17316927 Comcablrtl : Fact. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17316927 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:14:16 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17316174 johnspalm :

said by nascar

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TiVo won't be available until Spring 2007 at the earliest.

Is this fact or conjecture?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17316174 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:05:56 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17315802 cypherstream : Any reason why? Last minute bugfixes or more like logistics and corporate politics? For all area's or for just some?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17315802 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:03:38 EDT Re: TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17315630 mbernste : I know no one likes the idea of spending $800 upfront, plus service fees, and cable card rental (not to mention that if it breaks you have to buy a new one), but if you wanted an HD TiVo today, you can get one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17315630 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:25:10 EDT TiVo Delayed http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17315422 nascar : TiVo won't be available until Spring 2007 at the earliest.

Anyone want to dispute this?

I can't wait for it so I wish I was wrong. But I rather wait 6 more months and have it bug free then rushed and buggy like the i-Guide.
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