Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... in WildBlue Satellite http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17354247 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:43:16 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:43:16 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17382963 anon : YellowHammer i agree with you if this doesnt change i to will be gone from WB to pay so much and not play my game. Which by the way i did get it for that why not. I can get on the server on dialup. But limits to where i can go . WB worked great for a week when i got it then bam i cant log onto the server because of the latency and ping so stupidly high. Why pay so high if you can play on dialup and not on WB hughesnet did the same thing i played for 2 years then within over night i couldnt log no more. They say it was becasue of peak time and yes i could get on after 10:30 at night well cant stay up 24 hours a night to use internet. So i quit them and now this sick of being riped off of how much you pay for nothing. I think they dont want gamers on there satlite too. which is alot do let them loose customers then. Others who play L2 on wb cant no more either .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17382963 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:55:12 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370146 just2stoned : Ah I see. I just got inspired to play some EQ2 last night and I have to say that the experience was almost not worth playing. I don't know if beam 37 got that firmware update like everyone is complaining about but my pings were pure crap all day and even in the middle of the night when it's usually at its best. I don't run the WB optimizer either. I was able to play last night, but it wasn't enjoyable like it used to be.

I also apologize to YellowHammer for making it sound like I was attacking him for his statement about gamers :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370146 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:27:42 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17366702 YellowHammer :
said by just2stoned See Profile :

You hope all of us gamers that play online games on our WB systems all leave?
Don't take offense at me. I'm one of the screwed over gamers too.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17366702 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:11:20 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17363724 just2stoned : You hope all of us gamers that play online games on our WB systems all leave? It wouldn't improve anything by doing so. Everquest 2 in my case maybe uses around 4-5kb/s download and 1-3kb/s upload constantly. When loading into new zones it may spike to maybe 50kb/s for a few seconds but thats normal usage as far as i'm concerned. WB doesn't say that they don't want us playing games on the service and if they did I would probably leave WB. It kind of goes with that sticky thread "Usage, Legal or not is not our concern here" when it comes to what we do with our service. I didn't get WB to play games, it's just an added benefit. Besides, half the reason people get a broadband connection, no matter what type, is to be able to play all these games that now more than ever require some type of broadband service in order to play.
I've noticed that you can't really use default ports for P2P because WB I think does try to block these, but a simple port # change will fix it. If WB only wants us to browse the web and check email with an occasional download then they better start charging $14.95/month for the service they offer because thats all it would be worth, dial up. This is my 30 day usage with some heavy XP installations in the last week. Highest I've ever had mine. Would you consider this,what I pay for, too much usage? Naw didn't think so.

After 3 complete XP reinstalls w/ updates
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17363724 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:13:50 EDT Re: topic reply http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17360401 Fox McCloud : in theory, a cellular broadband connection could have latency just as low as fiber, cable, and DSL (provided the tower wasn't being used by an INSANE amount of people at the same time). Sadly, the cell-towers are not optimized for internet usage, so you end up getting around 350 ms ping times with 1xRTT networks.

Luckily Sprint is upgrading all their towers (slowly) so that it's more optimized for internet usage. I'd say that this will truly be the savior of the rural people who are in the boonies, but still well within range of a cell phone tower (as is my case...where I have 5 bar coverage with Sprint, Cingular, and Verizon at my house). It will allow you to have a true broadband connection with low latency.

Supposedly their entire network is going to be upgraded with EVDO Revision A by summer to mid-summer...but we all know how well companies are at projecting things.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17360401 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:35:48 EDT Re: topic reply http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17359494 randyvsatus :
said by smackdowner1 See Profile :

...I've heard Verizons' plan goes around 200-300 ping? Way faster than an average 1400ms roundtime of WildBlue.
Distance to satellite = approx. 22,300 mi
Distance to cell tower = approx 1-5 mi.
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Surfbeam ku|5000/768|1.2M |4 watt|IA 8||Qwest DSL|7168 / 896 Kbps]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17359494 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:26:54 EDT Re: topic reply http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17359166 smackdowner1 : I don't know what the rule is about bumping or posting a new question in this topic.

So (still relevant to satellites) how come a satellite (say .6 meters in diameter) for internet is weaker than Verizons laptop/cell phone connection? I mean the dish is meant for sending and receiving (if its two way) and a small cell phone w/ laptop is faster?

I've heard Verizons' plan goes around 200-300 ping? Way faster than an average 1400ms roundtime of WildBlue.

I apologise if this is not understandable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17359166 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:34:32 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17357507 YellowHammer :
said by just2stoned See Profile :

I reckon you were being sarcastic with your remark about them killing latency on purpose to kill gamers
Not trying to be sarcastic at all. I'm convinced they don't want gamers on their system. I figure gamers make up at least 1/4 of their customer base. I hope they all leave. I'm looking for something else, and my contract has already expired. Probably after Christmas, I'll be gone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17357507 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:14:03 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17356383 just2stoned : I reckon you were being sarcastic with your remark about them killing latency on purpose to kill gamers but it sure does seem that way lately. I haven't played either for a week cause of latency...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17356383 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:05:13 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17356165 just2stoned : We play World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 on WB pro pak. These are MMORPG's that aren't that sensitive to the latency issue. Usually it's around the 1000ms range which is about 1 second of delay. This will be noticable, but still acceptable. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17356165 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:15:43 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17354247 YellowHammer : The best to be delivered by 2-way satellite systems is in the 600ms range. WB had that for well over a year, until the mid-November, when they screwed up their latency... on purpose... to kill gamers. Now pings run in the 1200-3500ms range.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17354247 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:13:37 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17353372 tim_k : You're never going to get low ping gaming on satellites in geosynchronous orbit. Only if they deploy the low orbit satellite internet will you see improvement.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17353372 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:10:47 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17352870 lostnthwoods : In short, no. The distance factor for the signal to travel is just too great for multiplayer games to be smooth. Solo is fine. The difference between a phone line is a phone line ties directly into a server that sends the signal over copper wire to a tower that acts a lot like wi-fi, but Satellite has to go all the way up there and back down again. Then, after it returns to earth, it makes the journey through the server and back again. Someone said somewhere around 12000 miles round trip, but even if that's wrong, it's still a long ways. Phones do about half to one quarter of that in a semi-perfect environment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17352870 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:05:52 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17352708 seagreen : The problem with gaming over a satellite connection is the latency (ping times). A round trip by satellite is close to 100,000 mi or ~4X around the circumference of the earth so the ping times are quite high compared to a dialup connection.

If you want to know more about a satellite internet connection please read sections 2 and 3 of our FAQ. You'll find them helpful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17352708 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:38:44 EDT Re: Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17351659 Spice300 : A dial up Internet connection only passes through local phone lines before it connects to the Internet. Unless you have a long distance ISP located overseas (and are paying long distance phone charges for every precious minute), the portion that passes through the telephone lines never goes through a satellite.

Wildblue is Internet (Ethernet) plugged directly into the customer's computer.

In the future Teledesic might be resurrected. The plan had hundreds of satellites in low Earth orbits (around 500 miles high & later rased to about 870 miles) to greatly reduce the latency. It was an expensive and complicated Internet access via satellite system. Last I heard, Motorola canceled it. You can read about it here: »www.spaceandtech.com/spacedata/c···um.shtml]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17351659 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:06:45 EDT Is satellite online gaming giong to be smooth... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17350758 smackdowner1 : In the future? I mean any kind of satellite internet 'broadband'.

I still don't understand how a phone line connection that ends up going through satellite differs from a satellite on your house ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17350758 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:41:18 EDT