Latest AV results from av-test.org in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17355525 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:54:25 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:54:25 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17411974 Thug21 : I had the same FP. It seems to have been fixed in an update. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17411974 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:20:04 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17411884 mvdu : I had a slew of false positives with AntiVir this morning - one of them was calling iexplore.exe a trojan. Re-installed tonight, and things seem fixed.
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Classis is Free, not the other versions with AntiSpyware included and other features etc ! Still the same AV engine and excellent Heuristics though.

My very small handful of FP observations over many months, are based on always having had Heuristics set on High, which is a very good achievement i would say !

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said by Wai_Wai See Profile :

said by bellgamin See Profile :

Could this be the reason why WebWasher did so well, I wonder?
It is because WebWasher uses AntiVir engine in this test, as someone told you in the previous post.

Now why does WebWasher score higher than AntiVir? One reason I could think of is "Webwasher will report every UPX packed DLL as suspicious". Since this testbed only contains malware (no test about the accuracy of the scan result), Webwasher can detect every such malware while AntiVir can't. This may explain the discrepancy.

lol. Webwasher uses two engines, Antivir and their own private one. That's why they scored a touch better. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17380485 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:42:17 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17380283 Wai_Wai :
said by SpannerITWks See Profile :

richtig

Quote -

" My German may be rusty, but I thought the whole point of this test was to test AVs against non-viruses! "

Das is correctunze. And it confirmed my belief and experiences, on how some AV's don't do very well when tested with the More dangerous Malware !
That implies most people simply reject the result if it is not within expectation.

Personally I like my AV to be stronger in detecting these malware since they are ver snkeay and hard to detect. That's why I don't like NOD32.

According to the new test on - »www.av-comparatives.org - AntiVir has very few FP's. And i've also established that when testing it with hundreds and hundreds of Malware files over many months, including lots of the latest nasties !
Yes, I noticed the improvement too. A thumb-up to Antivir.
Actually I highly praise this AV - top-notched detection rates plus it's free - hard ot beat!!

However this is just one test only, and I feel Antivir is still have (slightly) more false positives than the average scanners from my observations and testing.
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Quote -

" My German may be rusty, but I thought the whole point of this test was to test AVs against non-viruses! "

Das is correctunze. And it confirmed my belief and experiences, on how some AV's don't do very well when tested with the More dangerous Malware !

Wai Wai

According to the new test on - »www.av-comparatives.org - AntiVir has very few FP's. And i've also established that when testing it with hundreds and hundreds of Malware files over many months, including lots of the latest nasties !

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said by bellgamin See Profile :

Could this be the reason why WebWasher did so well, I wonder?
It is because WebWasher uses AntiVir engine in this test, as someone told you in the previous post.

Now why does WebWasher score higher than AntiVir? One reason I could think of is "Webwasher will report every UPX packed DLL as suspicious". Since this testbed only contains malware (no test about the accuracy of the scan result), Webwasher can detect every such malware while AntiVir can't. This may explain the discrepancy.

By the way, people should take the accuracy of the scan result into account. Theoretically an antivirus which flag everything as malicious can score 100% in this test, but this antivirus is totally useless in reality. Thus products with high number of false-positive should be used with care (so as to avoid deleting any innocent files). Here are the products with considerably more false positives:
- Dr.Web
- Fortinet
- VBA32
[Source: av-comparatives.org, research in VirusTotal and Jotti VirusScan]

Also note that some unheard AV products may be simply the clones of other well-known AVs. They either use one or multiple scan engines from other well-known AV (eg AVK, F-secure, TrustPort, Webwasher).
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said by Begemotik See Profile :

One test confirms your observations? Wow . . . that's some opinion barometer you must have.
You should read and quote carefully. I say "This test somehow confirms my observations." And I say observation"s" (which has a "s"). So there are other testing and test results which make me think so. I'm not making the conclusion from just 1 test (or this test) only.

Note that the test has the following testbed:
83.000 Worms
86.000 Bots
218.000 Trojans
79.000 Backdoors

It is known that NOD32 is bad at detecting trojans-like malware (and the rank of this test does give you some ideas how bad NOD32 is). What I'm saying is this is one of the evidence which proves this statement, but this is not the only one!

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said by SpannerITWks See Profile :

The main thing that impressed me, and i believe the most important, is how they all faired against Non Viruses.
My German may be rusty, but I thought the whole point of this test was to test AVs against non-viruses!
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said by TAP See Profile :

All freebies, AVG, AntiVir, avast! are always doing a very good results, they beat many (some beats all) well-known paid AV.
Only AntiVir can match the best paid AVs. However it has more false positives than the average AVs.

Avast and AVG is out of the top 10.
AVG is not really a good AV (look at the result of AV Comparatives - it has never got the "advanced" or "advanced+" award, but it once got the "unclassified" award)

I sometimes wonder if NOD32 is overrated. This test somehow confirms my observations. It only ranks 12th. Too bad!

I am a bit hesitant about Fortinet. It may score high because it also generates many false positives. It tends to flag many innocent but runtime-packed executable as suspicious.

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...AV-programs are continuously evolving. What was among the best about a year ago, may be only an average today. If you just look at those detecting percents in Av-Comparatives 08-2006 test and compare these to this Av-Test.org 11-2006, you can see a lot of similarities. The ranking may vary, but the percents are quite close to each other...


Yep. KAV remains rock solid in both tests, as does Antivir. KAV is very much time-tested and time-proven. It'll be interesting to see if Antivir remains near the top. My guess (and it is exactly that, a guess) is yes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17369960 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:51:03 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17369526 SpannerITWks : The main thing that impressed me, and i believe the most important, is how they all faired against Non Viruses.

Even though Viruses are still around, old and some new, the bigger threats are All the other nasty stuff out there, and i do mean ALL.

So throwing over 466,000 Real nasties at them appears to be a much better evalution of real world expectations.

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said by bazzzzy :

Cough up some facts: av-comparatives shows for years in a row quite a different result.
That's totally meaningless. AV-programs are continuously evolving. What was among the best about a year ago, may be only an average today. If you just look at those detecting percents in Av-Comparatives 08-2006 test and compare these to this Av-Test.org 11-2006, you can see a lot of similarities. The ranking may vary, but the percents are quite close to each other. But unfortunately, what is on the top today, will probably be only an average or even worse, dead, next year. That's life.

Let's enjoy the situation right now, tomorrow it may be too late!

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Definetely over-rated.


Obviously you don't have a clue as for testing is concerned. That's OK: you are one of many. Cough up some facts: av-comparatives shows for years in a row quite a different result. Looking forward to your facts.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17366191 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:50:54 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17365785 gugarci :
said by doyouknow :

Yes. This confirms my belief that NOD32 is overrated. Outstanding job, Antivir! Kudos to the people of Avira!
Definetely over-rated. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17365785 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:45:25 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17365539 mvdu : AV comparatives has Kaspersky still better than Norton. So yes, my experience is meaningful.
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said by mvdu See Profile :

I'm surprised Kaspersky scored so low on a trojan-related test. I think it's an outlier. In my experience, Norton is not better than Kaspersky and NOD32 isn't so far down.
your experience is not meaningful. The test says more than thousand words who is the best one. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17364854 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:22:22 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17364853 ZZZZZZZ :
said by MeDuZa See Profile :

I wouldn't put to much faith in AV-TestGmbH. It is a profit oriented company that makes such tests by order of vendors and magazines. The main goal is to make money not to inform.
Does the result look strange for some of you? Well, that's how business works :)
I feel sorry about the average user purchasing those magazines and blindly resting upon their articles.
I agree!

Avg is never that high in other tests and almost tied with Nod32? PLEASE!
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As to the value of these results, av-test org is one of the acknowledged reliable testing sites so the results should be trustworthy.

Not surprised that Webwasher are at the top as they use AntiVir's engine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17362729 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:18:43 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17362603 j2 : It's nice to see that Symantec is doing well and the others as well :) but McAfee has suprised me a little bit :o and i can't believe that WebWasher is the best? wow was this test done by the professional security experts?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17362603 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:01:48 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17362590 MeDuZa : I wouldn't put to much faith in AV-TestGmbH. It is a profit oriented company that makes such tests by order of vendors and magazines. The main goal is to make money not to inform.
Does the result look strange for some of you? Well, that's how business works :)
I feel sorry about the average user purchasing those magazines and blindly resting upon their articles.
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»translate.google.com/translate?u···ge_tools

edit: shows ranking from the last test.

»translate.google.com/translate?u···&ie=UTF8]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17361633 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:33:38 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17361019 mvdu : I'm surprised Kaspersky scored so low on a trojan-related test. I think it's an outlier. In my experience, Norton is not better than Kaspersky and NOD32 isn't so far down.
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It seems to me that the AV programs were tested against a test-bed of malware that usually is viewed as the province of AntiTrojan programs moreso than AntiVirus programs.

Could this be the reason why WebWasher did so well, I wonder?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17360859 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:44:17 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17360631 mers2 :
said by TAP See Profile :

All freebies, AVG, AntiVir, avast! are always doing a very good results, they beat many (some beats all) well-known paid AV.

Too bad and always bad for CA eTrust and ClamAV, where are their substantial improvements?
ClamAV is a freeware project still in beta so it can be excused. CA eTrust, however is a commercial product and can't be cut the same amount of slack.
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Too bad and always bad for CA eTrust and ClamAV, where are their substantial improvements?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17360247 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:13:20 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17359598 mers2 :
said by forrrks :

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Wow NOD32 did worse then freebees ANTIVIR and AVAST


Say again? NOD32 doesn't show up in this test - since the tester has been forbidden to test NOD32 by ESET for some years in a row now - and for good reasons...
Look again at the list, Nod32 is listed there below Avast. If they are forbidden to test perhaps Eset has a bone to pick with them....
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Wow NOD32 did worse then freebees ANTIVIR and AVAST


Say again? NOD32 doesn't show up in this test - since the tester has been forbidden to test NOD32 by ESET for some years in a row now - and for good reasons...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17359448 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:20:10 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17358908 tempnexus : Wow NOD32 did worse then freebees ANTIVIR and AVAST]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17358908 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:55:44 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17358548 clocks11 : What I meant to say is, a few % here or there probably makes very little difference in the real world. Results from tests are likely to vary over time. As long as you runs one of the programs you will probably be fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17358548 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:00:31 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17358508 clocks11 : I bet for the most part, if someone runs one of the well know AV programs(including the freebies), they will be just fine. I think it is the people that run out of date programs or nothing at all, that need to worry.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17358508 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:54:25 EDT Re: Latest AV results from av-test.org http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17357737 sivran : AntiVir in the top 10 twice now, and Kaspersky nearly dropping off of it? What is this world coming to?
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said by clocks11 See Profile :

I am surprised AVG is dropping, as i thought they made major improvements between 7.1 and 7.5.
How can it drop when this is the first test against ALL kind of malware?

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The anti-virus test laboratory AV-test examined the mark commodity recognition of 33 anti-virus programs with more than 460,000 mark commodity time in the context of a comprehensive test run. In relation to a similar test at the end of of September 2006 newer parasits were not only added but with the worms also a further mark commodity class.

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Beside over 83.000 worms the parasit collection consisted of more than 86,000 Bots, 218,000 Trojan horses and 79,000 Backdoors.

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»www.pcwelt.de/news/sicherheit/64···dex.html

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