| 2 ? Why do they even place outlets with just two plugs these days? Home builders should know better these days.
4 should be the standard. Everything we use needs juice. |
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RayWPremium
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Layton, UT
kudos:1 | And increase the circuit amperage to 30-40 instead of 15-20, use AWG10 or 12 instead AWG14 copper wire, and throw in a lot of money.
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said by ninjatutle:Why do they even place outlets with just two plugs these days? Home builders should know better these days. 4 should be the standard. Everything we use needs juice. They also install every 8 feet in a house vs article in airport. Heaven forbid you buy a cheap powerstrip to double power outlets in a room. *gasp* |
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | reply to RayW
There is an easier answer
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Home Depot sells a convenient outlet expander (6 plugs from 2) that is semi-permanently installable with a single screw for just over twelve bucks. Of course, the electricians' unions and contractors will find many excuses to oppose such inexpensive remedies.
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| said by calvoiper:No, you just need more outlets, not more amperage. Laptop chargers very seldom use more than 2 amps at 120 volts, so it's not like you have four guys all plugging in 15 amp floor scrubbers at once. calvoiper I sold a guy a UPS and a week later his maintenance man blew it up when he plugged a vacuum cleaner in the extra socket. Seems all of the wall outlets were taken. 
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RayWPremium
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Layton, UT
kudos:1 | reply to calvoiper
said by calvoiper: Of course, the electricians' unions and contractors will find many excuses to oppose such inexpensive remedies. calvoiper And the code inspector if it is there during an inspection (like during a sale or in a commercial building). Although you can do it, I would be leery since circuit breakers have been known to fail closed (found that out the hard way one time to the tune of $30,000). I guess making my living playing with moving electrons makes me a bit on the cautious side.
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calvoiper
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Realistically, there's much more risk of overloading a 4 outlet circuit with a refrigerator, a heater, and a floor polisher than there is of overloading any circuit with too many portable devices plugged in next to the customer seating area.
The code inspector just does his thing to make work for his union buddies, and is often surreptitiously well compensated for it.
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RayWPremium
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Layton, UT
kudos:1 | said by calvoiper:The code inspector just does his thing to make work for his union buddies, and is often surreptitiously well compensated for it. calvoiper Your blanket statement that inspectors are crooked and on the take is offensive. Most of the building and code inspectors I know are not union related, they are people who have seen what happens when, for example, some idiot puts ten items in a receptacle designed for two items.
But what ever, you go ahead and do what you want, the odds really are not all that high that you will have a problem......
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join:2004-09-30
Happy Camp
kudos:3 | reply to calvoiper
said by calvoiper:The code inspector just does his thing to make work for his union buddies, and is often surreptitiously well compensated for it. Your presumption that only "union" electricians work on these types of jobs is erroneous.
In fact, virtually every electrical contractor uses this book:
»www.bookmarki.com/2006-RS-Means-···7904.htm
to estimate costs. This includes both union and non-union shops. How the differing shops "make their money" is as varied as the shops themselves.
As for the Inspectors, take a bribe, go to prison. There are a number of well documented cases in California where that has been the case. I have been in the industry for more than 30 years and have dealt with many Inspectors directly as a General Foreman, Cost Estimator and Project Manager. NOT ONE TIME have I ever heard a single word or even the remotest suggestion that a payment of any kind would change the results of the inspection.
Apparently you have an ax to grind...?
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join:2005-01-03 | reply to RayW
Re: 2 ? said by RayW:And increase the circuit amperage to 30-40 instead of 15-20, use AWG10 or 12 instead AWG14 copper wire, and throw in a lot of money. Although it sounds as though you may be using sarcasm, I agree.
My last remodel project (doubling the size of mom's living room), I installed double-gang wallboxes every 8 feet each with 4 outlets, using AWG12 and 20 amp breakers (what the hell do you use a 15amp breaker for anyway?). So no matter where she puts her entertainment system or lamps or air-conditioner, there are outlets for all.
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RayWPremium
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Layton, UT
kudos:1 | My first house was built in the 70's by a developer and had 15 amp breakers. My current house was built by owner about 20 years ago and has 20 amp breakers but what look like 15 amp double wall plugs. Do not know what the wire is off hand.
Assuming you put in a couple of branches and not all the receptacles on one branch, that appears to be a well planned job.
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PolarBear03The bear formerly known as aaron8301Premium
join:2005-01-03 | said by RayW:Assuming you put in a couple of branches and not all the receptacles on one branch, that appears to be a well planned job. In my case, the house was built in the 1920's, wired in the 1950's. The original wiring was scary, but the new wiring fit your quoted statement.
My theory on whether or not I did a good job? The place hasn't burned down yet!
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