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snipper_cr
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Downloading but own

I know with CDs, you are legally allowed to rip the CD that you own to your computer, listening to it there and even copy to a digital music player. So in a sense you are "copying" it several times. Even though the AAs dont like it, as of now its technically legal right?

Is it then legal to download a CD that you already own? I know most people will immediately say either A) Why download it when you can just rip it or B) "Do you own those files?"

My response is, yes, I technically own the binary digits that I purchased from the CD and they are represented on my computer. I know most of the time the AAs/ISPs dont care who is downloading, just who is distruibuting but I am really curious about this.

If you are going to say yes or no, maybe an explaination. I am curious as to how it would work.
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61999674
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This stuff sits in a big gray area, "technically" you purchased the rights to listen to that music(watch the movie) in a private setting and to make a copy(copies) for "personal use", as long as you don't share that copy(copies) with others or keep the copy and sell(or even give it away?) the original, you are usually ok, how you obtained the "copy" is moot, the person sharing the stuff is the one who is "technically" breaking the rules.

This is how I see it, lawyers make lots of cash dancing in this gray area.
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bolt
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reply to snipper_cr
In truth, you are probably within fair use for that. In fact, the IAA's won't be happy until you have to pay them something everytime you listen to it.



Jehu
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reply to snipper_cr

said by snipper_cr:

Is it then legal to download a CD that you already own?
No, and there is precedent behind this..mp3.com's legally decimated "mymp3" service comes to mind.

Look it up.. otherwise it's just me flapping my gums, and what do I know.
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snipper_cr
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Wheaton, IL

reply to snipper_cr
This sort of goes along the same lines. I found in my schools IT garbage bin a SEALED Windows NT 4.0 Server with 25 client installs. I picked it up thinking it might be useful. What is the legality of me taking it, legality of me installing it and legality of me selling it? As far as me taking, I work at the college and know the IT guys and they saw me and were like "You like something? Take it!" I ended up getting 2 copies of Windows 98SE but holding onto those for myself. So, whats the word on this?
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61999674
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You "should"(there's that word again)be ok as long as NONE of those installs are installed in any of their systems, now selling it is something different and probably a no-no.

Remember, Lawyers are making millions dancing in the gray area.
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koolman2
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join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK

reply to snipper_cr
Nowhere in copyright law does it state that downloading or obtaining files is illegal, only the distribution thereof. You're safe to do so. If not, claim it's a form of format-shifting, and therefore fair use.
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huh?



snipper_cr
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Wheaton, IL

reply to snipper_cr
Seems there is a general concensous. Sure enough, you know you are lazy when you dont feel like going downstairs to get a DVD so you download it and watch it a few days later.
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dumwaldo
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reply to snipper_cr
there is no gray area here, the law is very defined in black and white.

It is 100% legal to DOWNLOAD whatever you want regardless if you own a copy or not.

FACT:
Nobody has ever been sued or charged with a crime for DOWNLOADING.



koolman2
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Anchorage, AK

Well, the law doesn't specifically disallow downloading, and there's nowhere in the law that implies that obtaining illegal distributions is illegal. It's not exactly black and white; a few tones of gray maybe?
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huh?



Jehu
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said by dumwaldo:

It is 100% legal to DOWNLOAD whatever you want regardless if you own a copy or not.

FACT:
Nobody has ever been sued or charged with a crime for DOWNLOADING.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha

That joke never gets old.
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dumwaldo
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said by Jehu:

said by dumwaldo:

It is 100% legal to DOWNLOAD whatever you want regardless if you own a copy or not.

FACT:
Nobody has ever been sued or charged with a crime for DOWNLOADING.
Bwahahahahahahahahaha

That joke never gets old.
You can laugh or you can point out a case where someone has been sued or charged with a crime for DOWNLOADING copyrighted material.

OH YEAH, you cant point out a case because there is not one single case to point out in all of American legal history so I guess all you can do is laugh. Kinda sad IMHO.

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