[CATV] INHD 2 in Patriot Media http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17365719 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:55:43 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:55:43 EDT Voting for New HD Channels http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17408857 Hound : Verizon issued a press release yesterday, 12/4, announcing its
carriage agreement with Comcast for Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia and Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia HD. Verizon
will provide CSN in Pennsylvania, Delaware and Southern New
Jersey (including Mercer County).

Here is the link:
»newscenter.verizon.com/press-rel···ith.html

Eventually there will be a vendor for the vanilla lovers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17408857 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 14:08:52 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17408084 robjlevin : I've got a 10 footer in my backyard. Haven't used it in years since everything went digital. But the early to mid '90s were great.

Those days are over. We're dependent upon cable companies to make the proper balance between profits and service. A quick comparison of Comcast and Cablevision to Patriot will show that Patriot provides less and charges more.

As for those that have pointed out how bad RCN was, that's not the point. The point is that every other company is providing local RSNs in HD with the exception of Patriot. There's simply no where else to turn to get them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17408084 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:50:12 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407496 Hound : They are the only provider for CSN Philadelphia. CSN Philly
is not on satellite. This channel is the problem with
Unpatriot as the sole cable provider in Princeton and Montgomery. Without this channel, the Princeton and Montgomery residents are denied access to the hometown baseball team.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407496 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 10:02:30 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407460 DaveNJ :
said by Hound See Profile :

self-employed. there are ethical standards and competition in my business. i can't dictate to clients that this is what we offer, take it or leave it.
Maybe you should get a BUD satelitte Dish, that way you could get any channel available on satelitte, THERE PROBLEM solved!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407460 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:55:35 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407449 DaveNJ :
said by Hound See Profile :

If they sold ice cream and were the only provider, they would sell a lot of ice cream.
Hound,
There arent the only provider, There is Dish, and Direct. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407449 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:53:51 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407124 Hound : self-employed. there are ethical standards and competition in my business. i can't dictate to clients that this is what we offer, take it or leave it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17407124 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 08:41:27 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17405438 xcdcxx : again were do you work? i find it hard to believe that they don't want to make money from there customers]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17405438 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:44:55 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17399997 Hound : If they sold ice cream and were the only provider, they would sell a lot of ice cream. If there were two providers,
and they did not have one of the popular flavors, say vanilla, the other provider selling vanilla would sell to
all the vanilla lovers.

Unpatriot did improve the old RCN system bringing digital cable and two way modems. But Cablevision or Comcast would have done the same, charged the subs less and provided CSN Philadelpia, MSG HD, FSNY HD, NBA TV HD and NFL games HD.
Remember, Unpatriot outbid Cablevision for the system. But with the municipal franchise process, Unpatriot could recoup the higher purchase price by charging subs more than
Cablevision subs and providing less costly channels. It really did not matter how much of a premium over Cablevision's offer that Unpatriot paid, because Unpatriot
could make it up in higher subscription rates and lower cost channels.

It was Unpatriot's job to improve on the old RCN system with the new technology. Unpatriot was not the only person
that could have done that job. You keep wanting to get
patted on the back for doing your normal job. Everybody who
has a job is expected to perform at the skill level required for that position.

With regard to wanting one channel, to some subs that one
channel is the number one reason to have a multi video provider. Princeton residents are normally civil. If this situation of not providing the home town baseball channel, but YES network was provided, occurred in New England, there would be public demonstrations at Unpatriot's offices.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17399997 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:45:24 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17398090 xcdcxx : hound were do you work, on the moon? they need to make money or you go back to one way modem.stop being sad they are making money. if investor's are reading this all they will see is one guy is crying he wants he wants. if investor's buy patriot nothing will change. patriot has done nothing but grow there service.

if patriot came out with cell phone service tomorrow people will buy it. if they sold ice cream people would buy it. they turned a failing outdated system. you are nuts crying about a HD channel going out or not having a damn philly channel. if RCN still had your area you would be begging for digital cable or all your channels on one side not half on A side and the other half on B side. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17398090 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:50:31 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17396644 Hound : Princeton residents are just looking for CSN Philly; local
franchise, statewide franchise, new owner for Unpatriot, Congress changes the terrestrial exception, anyway we can get it. Does not matter who is the service provider. We should not be denied access because a few investors are trying to make millions of dollars at our expense.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17396644 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 17:06:19 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17396546 DaveNJ :
said by dsEAGLES See Profile :

Hound, you are ok in my book.... it can't be said enough.... Patriot Media should not be allowed in Princeton unless they plan to support us as a Philly market, which we are.
Gee maybe in the next Franchise they can negotiate that, ohh wait you are again franchising oh well. I guess you wouldn't be able to negotiate with Verizon either....queue the venom..
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understand the challenges necessary to retain Unpatriot subscribers with Verizon's entry into TV. Also, the buyers should understand that the cable business is no longer just about TV and high speed internet. It is about telephone. There are three potential revenue items from a sub. The buyers should also understand that
Unpatriot's margins are high, because not all sports channels are being provided and the savings of not providing the additional sports channels has not been reflected in lower subscription rates.

Here is an article from yesterday's Philadelphia Inquirer
about Verizon's entry into TV and the fact that Comcast
has signed up 1.3 million telephone customers.

»www.philly.com/mld/philly/16149496.htm

Comcast has improved its HD sports lineup in NJ, so that subs do not cross over to Verizon. Comcast with the improved lineup will also end up with increased triple play subscriptions (taking more telephone customers from
Verizon). Verizon will take some subs from Comcast who are indifferent to Comcast's channel lineup, but Comcast
will still end up with a reduced revenue stream from the
Verizon subs because of carriage agreements with Verizon.

The issue facing Unpatriot or its new investors is whether
they walk away from Philadelphia sports fans and other
subs who want channels such as MSG HD, FSNY HD, NFL Network
games HD, NBA TV HD. Comcast made a pre emptive strike by
improving its HD channel lineup on 12/1.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394805 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:15:49 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394676 dsEAGLES : Hound, you are ok in my book.... it can't be said enough.... Patriot Media should not be allowed in Princeton unless they plan to support us as a Philly market, which we are.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394676 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:50:25 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394630 njcablguy : "provide us"? i don't work there. it should be pretty obvious to you from reading posts from co people that they are for sale. and that you won't get those channels till maybe the next owners decide to offer it.

so, please. enough already. stop posting the same subscriber numbers over and over and stop complaining. i don't think that complaing about it here matters anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394630 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:41:13 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394509 Hound : Provide us with CSN Philadelphia HD. The home town baseball team. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394509 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 11:21:51 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394253 njcablguy : hound,
you sound like a broken record. stop trolling. you don't like patriot - we get it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17394253 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 10:27:14 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17388710 Hound : Icepop:

Unfortunately, we are stuck with the system that our lawmakers and appointed regulators have given us. Only the FCC or Congress can change it. Because of vertical integration, (cable multi video providers owning sports channels, in Central New Jersey), there are five regional sports channels whose owners require placement in a tier that 90 percent of subscribers must pay for the channel, whether they want to see it or not. SNY at a cost of $1.75 per month per subscriber is a record price for a baseball only channel. The monthly price of YES and CSN Philly is over $2.00 per month per subscriber. The subscriber fee for MSG and FSNY used to be $3.80 per month. I do not know what it is now without the Mets. There is an additional per month charge for MSG HD and FSNY HD. Did Cablevision
reduce the price of MSG and FSNY after the Mets left? Did
Unpatriot Media pass the reduction on to subscribers?

Unpatriot Media in the SNY imbroglio and failure to provide
CSN Philly and MSG, FSNY HD channels likes to say to its
subscribers, 'well we do not want to give in to Comcast
or Cablevision, because the majority of our subscribers do
not want to pay for those channels'. However, Unpatriot is
putting the subscriber fees in its pocket. Unpatriot is
charging more than Comcast and Cablevision anyway without
providing these channels. Unpatriot is denying 15 percent of its subscriber base the chance to watch the home town
baseball team. Unpatriot is a three year get rich scheme for its investors on the backs of its subscribers.

With the system we have, everybody has to pay for the sports channels. That is not a valid reason to pick and choose and deny access to fans of certain teams. Unpatriot
should be competing and providing access within the current environment. Congress has to change 90 percent of subscribers paying for sports channels. Verizon is going to be forced to compete with Comcast and Cablevision in NJ under the current environment.

Comcast with its new HD sports lineup is going to retain
and atrract new subscribers not only for TV, but high speed
internet and telephone. Verizon is going to quickly learn
that retention of current telephone customers is going to
be dependent on its television channel lineup. Unpatriot or its new ownership is going to learn that its current
sports channel lineup is not competitive to retain or
attract new subscribers for not just television, but
high speed internet and telephone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17388710 Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:10:01 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385482 robjlevin : The point is that Patriot is charging more and providing less than the other cable companies in the area.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385482 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:01:40 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385426 icepop456 : Oddly enough, I'm not sure I'm willing to pay for all the extra sports channels you mentioned. I think it is ridiculous that I need a channel for the Yankees, the Mets, philly teams, etc. Who's watching the YES network now? Games that used to be on FSNY are now split on other channels. I call it channel inefficiency (aka a way to charge us more money). They all claim added content, but I really only care about the game.

Add to all this, that I'm 20 min from Rutgers I could not watch last weeks game against SYR. Any local station should have the right to pick up the local game. I believe this exists in the NFL. Obvious this will void the contract of those rich greedy executives who are just trying to make another quick buck.

I therefore don't blame patmedia, but the TV executives around the nation. Don't get me wrong, I hate patmedia too.

The easy solution is pay-per-view with a sports package. However, that may never happen because channels want everyone on a network to get the channel so that they can go charge more for commercials (sounds like double billing).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385426 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:50:45 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385318 Hound : The Princeton nodes being a small part of the system is irrelevant. Philadelphia Phillies are the home town team. Not providing the Princeton residents with the home town team is a very sore point.

Unpatriot has 80,004 residential subscribers. Cablevision
has 963,576 residential subscribers in NJ. The Princeton
nodes account for 6,848 subscribers or 8.6%. The Montgomery node accounts for 5,386 subscribers or 6.7%. That is a total of 15.3% of your subscribers that you are denying access to the home town baseball team. Cablevision
has 33,112 subscribers in its Hamilton system or 3.4% of its NJ subscribers. Cablevision provides CSN Philly to this
small 3.4% of its NJ subscribers. Cablevision also provides
YES, SNY, MSG and FSNY to Hamilton. Cablevision is under no
obligation to provide YES or SNY to Hamilton. CSN Philly is
not available on satellite by the mandate of the FCC, so the Princeton subscribers cannot access the Philly CSN baseball games at all. Both YES HD and SNY HD are on Directv. With regard to those two channels, subscribers have choice.

The only reason that Unpatriot does not provide CSN Philly
to Princeton or Montgomery is because you have not figured out how to pass the entire cost (about $2.15 per month on to all subscribers). Unpatriot does not want to decrease its margins. The Unpatriot ownership is looking to flip the
system for a big profit and could not care less whether
the Princeton and Montgomery residents get to watch the home town baseball team.

If CSN is offered to Princeton and Montgomery, the only other subs that would have to get it are subs within the
Philadelphia Phillies allotted zip codes. I have not checked to see if there are more zip codes within your
service area. I suspect there are not.

When you say "most" subscribers there is not one channel
other than the four networks (ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX) that
a majority of subscribers would agree on.

With regard to Comcast now offering four sports HD channels
that Patriot does not offer, CSN, MSG, FSNY and NFL games,
the majority of early HD adopters are sports oriented.
HD subscriptions will probably double in the next 18 months
and again more than 50 percent of the increase will be sports oriented. The new HD owners forking out the big bucks want instant gratification by seeing the games in HD.
Comcast knows that. It is going to be difficult to get
Comcast subscribers to change to Verizon, if Comcast is
providing, CSN Philly HD, YES HD, SNY HD, MSG HD, FSNY HD,
INHD, NBATV HD and the new Versus/Golf HD channel.

Unpatriot does not provide CSN HD, MSG HD, FSNY HD, NBATV HD and NFL HD games. That is five major sports channels!!!
The reason is that you do not want to affect your margins.
You are already charge more than both Comcast and Cablevision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385318 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:30:48 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385009 Hound : The Montgomery zip codes fall within the zip codes allocated to the Philadelphia Phillies under the Major League television agreement. The Sixers games would be
shown without blackout in Montgomery because all of the Nets games are on YES (cable or satellite). The NBA blackout policy only applies to games shown over the air.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17385009 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 16:34:29 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17383956 robjlevin : The SNY thing made them look like complete fools. They spent months claiming there was little to no interest in the channel and then boom...all of a sudden it's added because of high demand.

How many times do you have to look like an idiot before you learn?

As long as we're on that. They sure didn't waste a second raising rates, did they? Well, they're removing INHD2, where's my rate reduction?

And why can't we get an explanation for why they've got SNY and YES in HD but not MSG and FSN? They have no problem posting all the details for the NFL Network blackouts.

As for CSN, I think they could easily get away with adding that to the areas that are in the official Philly DMA. There's really no point in adding it anywhere else since it would be out of market and all the games would need to be blacked out anyway.

They seem to have their collective heads stuck in the sand figuring that FiOS isn't going to effect them. I think that attitude is going to bite them big time. I'll switch for the customer service difference alone. The Patmedia CSRs are the most clueless bunch of people I've ever tried to talk to.

They have no idea what's going on and management seem to like it that way since they obviously provide zero training for these people.

The Verizon employees...at least the ones I've spoken to...are well trained and very knowledgable about FiOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17383956 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:07:17 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17382978 submrge : "And therein lies my beef. Why wait til push comes to shove? Why wait until you have unhappy customers?"

i've always thought that they should offer as many channels as they could. but from a business standpoint, i guess they pick a lineup that *most* people want and go from there. they only offered SNY because subs complained - and believe me, they weren't happy about that.

people keep complaining about the lack of philly sports - understand something, the amount of subs served by the princeton nodes is very small compared to the rest of the system. (just prin boro and township) montgomery subs are served by the general line up. not the prn line up. if they offer those channels in montgomery i'd assume they would have to offer to all the other subs (except those in the north).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17382978 Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:57:33 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17379424 dsEAGLES : How are you going to get CSN in Montgomery?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17379424 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:32:44 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17378847 Hound : I agree UnPatriot should not be in Princeton. UnPatriot has
thumbed its nose at all the Philadelphia Sports fans.
The Montgomery zip codes all fall within the Phillies television territory as well. There are many Philly phans in Montgomery as well. UnPatriot does not belong there either. Montgomery is another town that qualifies for CSN, YES, SNY, MSG and FSNY. At our country club in Montgomery, we are going to remodel the club house and will be putting in new high definition tvs. We currently use UnPatriot but are looking to get CSN Philly as well. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17378847 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:55:53 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17378775 dsEAGLES : Basic issue with Patriot is that they don't belong in Mercer County. The FCC considers Mercer County (Princeton) to be a Philadelphia market, that is why Princeton has its own lineup, but Patriot treats us like a NY market. I understand that most of the footprint does not care about Comcast Sportsnet, but many of us in Princeton do. As soon as I can get Verizon I will. That's 200 per month (for all my services) that Patriot will never get back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17378775 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 14:42:21 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17378352 Hound : Comcast has this ad in today's Star Ledger. This is obviously where push comes to shove preparing for competing
with FIOS. These are Comcast HD channels. Comcast also
provides Mercer County and some other areas with a full time Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia HD feed.

In the sports section of the Star Ledger today:

"Games from MSG, FSNY, YES and NFL Network will now be available on channels, 201, 206, 210 and 211

Applies to: Comcast of NJ II(Union), Plainfield, NW, Jersey City, Meadowlands, Monmouth County, Ocean County, Central NJ, Toms River, LBI, Mercer County(Trenton) and SE PA(Lambertville)."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17378352 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 13:28:06 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17377968 robjlevin : Aren't you in a Sprint area? Verizon will certainly not be doing anything there.

But the entire area served out of the Long Hill headend is wired for FiOS. And they've finally started burying fiber in underground areas. I got the internet service on Monday.

I do agree about the convergence of services. In fact, I'm going to likely port my ATT Callvantage numbers over to VoiceWing to save a few dollars and avoid the problems with their equipment not being very compatible with the Verizon routers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17377968 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 12:17:20 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17377393 DaveNJ : I think phone service will be free with video in a few years. Verizon cant just compete with more, and cable cant compete with less. So in the end something is just going to be automatically free. Plus considering you can get voip for as little as $10 a month. Then again there is that build out thing, and i don't see verizon rushing to build out in patriots areas. Hunterdon and parts of Somerset barely have DSL. Probably Princeton and Hillsboro will get Fios the rest i just dont see Verizon willing to invest in.
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I've blamed Cablevision for the lack of MSG and FSN HD feeds for years. I blamed them when we couldn't watch games on Metro. But they've apparently had some kind of change of philosophy since everyone else is getting those games now.

Why does Patriot insist on being the last? This was a very promising company a couple of years ago. But their customer service has gone into the toilet. Nobody knows anything. Nobody returns calls.

I do agree with you that most people don't care about about HD sports. In fact, most don't care about sports at all so there's no doubt in my mind that Verizon and Patriot (and it's successors) can co-exist but only if Patriot can compete on price for cable, internet, and phone.

In the end, competition will be good for everyone. Take a look at Verizon's current offerings and costs and compare it to Patriot's. For me, Verizon wins. For others, maybe not. But when you combine it with internet and phone, I don't think Patriot stands a chance head to head. Their channel line up isn't as good. They don't come close to providing the speed for internet and their digital phone service isn't exactly winning any awards.

The next little while is going to be very interesting.

In any event, you've been the only person even remotely connected to Patriot that seems to give a rat's ass and for that I say thank you. The company could use more like you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372957 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:08:12 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372151 Hound : I agree, the sports channels are important to less than
50 percent of subscribers. I also agree that when push
comes to shove, Patriot or its successor will compete
with Verizon and offer additional HD channels just like
Verizon is going to compete with Comcast and Cablevision's
offerings. Patriot which has not had to compete with Comcast and Cablevision in the past will end up improving
its channel lineup because of Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372151 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:20 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372089 submrge : availability of local sports is important for some people but it isn't nearly as important for alot of poeple - contrary to what you would like to believe.

also the fact that if push comes to shove patriot (or their successor) could offer those hd channels that the competition has. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372089 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:46:08 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372026 Hound : That is not correct. Cable offers more HD sports channels
than Dish and Directv. Dish has never offered HD regional
sports channels, but plans to offer them in the near future. In the Philadelphia DMA, the FCC has blocked Dish
and Directv from Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia. CSN is only available on cable and Verizon also has a carriage agreement to provide it. Verizon just started providing
both the SD and HD versions of CSN in Pennsylvania and
presumably will provide it in NJ where allowed.

Dish does offer more HD channels than cable but does not
have regional sports networks and many of the Dish HD channels are not compelling enough for a sub to make a decision to subscribe. Cable offers more HD channels than
Directv.

I agree that all three will co-exist, cable, Verizon and
satellite. Cable and Verizon because of triple play, phone,
high speed internet and HDTV offerings will begin to take
subscribers from satellite in the NY, NJ and PA areas.
Satellite cannot offer triple play. Many subs still do
not realize that there are choices of HDTV providers,
telephone providers and high speed internet providers and all three can be bundled to save money. My point is the
HD channel lineup is going to affect the battle for not
only TV subs, but also internet and phone. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17372026 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:35:02 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17371967 submrge : Dish Network and Direct TV already offer more HD channels than cable and probably more sports channels as well. Patriot is still getting back video subs.

The reality that the Patriot haters on this board don't want to face is that in the end cable, satellite and FiOS will coexist. Will patriot loose subs, of course. (though even with FiOS internet avaiable for almost a year now, patriot hsd sub count continues to grow). But they aren't going out of business. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17371967 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:21:25 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17371642 Hound : The company was a gold mine. They had licenses from
every municipality that allowed them to charge more than
Comcast and Cablevision and provide less. Fios will grow
by word of mouth and the success of its channel lineup.
It is not yet a household name. There is a cloud of uncertainty whether the gold mine grows or shrinks. Fios with its TV offering has brought into play its core telephone business. Subs are going to discover that there is choice in telephone provider as well as TV and high speed internet. TV channel lineup is going to determine who provides all three services. As HD continues to grow,
for many subscribers the HD lineup will determine who provides all three services.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17371642 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:30:46 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370426 submrge : did you read that article about patriot in that trade paper that named them independant operator of the year?

this co is a gold mine. even with fios in the mix. they've essentially locked in most of their subs in the north. also for the fact that most people don't know or care about fios.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370426 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:18:16 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370395 robjlevin : I've said it before and I'll say it again. Any company buying Patriot at its current asking price is being run by idiots.

Especially in the face of upcoming competition from Verizon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370395 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:12:30 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370290 njcablguy : at this point the big rumors are an investment co.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370290 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:54:45 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370179 Hound : Still rooting for Comcast to buy the system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370179 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:33:26 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370161 robjlevin : Well, they're running their annual "go ahead and vote, but we don't really care" poll on their website.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17370161 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:29:50 EDT Re: [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17369799 icepop456 : I'm hoping for what was UPN-9 in HD. They have agreed to pick up some games (I believe Giants and Yankees) in HDTV format when it is not provided by the other networks or ESPN, YES, etc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17369799 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:14:26 EDT [CATV] INHD 2 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17365719 robjlevin : It's been public knowledge for several months that INHD2 was going dark. So today I get a letter from Patriot telling me this. Well thank you for sticking to the 30 day rule.

So what gets added? Who knows. But it seems that losing this channel doesn't result in a price decrease. What a surprise.

Any guesses as to what gets added? I can already see what's not getting added and that's MSG and FSN HD feeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17365719 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:34:15 EDT