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Tulsa, OK | reply to DaSneaky1D
Re: Cingular HSDPA is fine here. i doubt it. |
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 kamm
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Brooklyn, NY | DOn't be an @ss - I doubt Karl has any bias, especially toward the inferior technology (as EV-DO clearly is). |
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| At least EVDO customers can roam on other EVDO networks such as Alltel, Bell Mobility, and if Verizon would have an agreement with Sprint for data roaming, them too. Try data roaming on Cingular HSDPA with Tmobile or any other GSM / HSDPA provider in the world. That won't happen because Cingular is using different frequency spectrum than Tmobile, or any other carrier in the world.
I'd rather be with Sprint and get availability and speed versus just speed in few select markets with Cingular's HSDPA. |
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| said by compuwizz:At least EVDO customers can roam on other EVDO networks such as Alltel, Bell Mobility, and if Verizon would have an agreement with Sprint for data roaming, them too. Sprint now has a data roaming agreement in place with Verizon or one that's now an active one anyways (you need a wireless data roaming capable phone).... its just 1xRTT at the moment but hey its better then nothing...maybe someday they'll open up their evdo network for roaming, but I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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kamm
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Brooklyn, NY
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said by compuwizz:At least EVDO customers can roam on other EVDO networks such as Alltel, Bell Mobility, and if Verizon would have an agreement with Sprint for data roaming, them too. Try data roaming on Cingular HSDPA with Tmobile or any other GSM / HSDPA provider in the world. That won't happen because Cingular is using different frequency spectrum than Tmobile, or any other carrier in the world. Ummm you can roam anywhere with Cingular. It's about your phone, not your SIM card.
I can roam anywhere with my HTC TyTn but TMO just got into the worst position: they got a brand new frequency.
I'd rather be with Sprint and get availability and speed versus just speed in few select markets with Cingular's HSDPA.
Any GSM/HSDPA is always late here - but has the technological upper hand, no matter how you look at it. And Sprint's in-house coverage sux here, let alone VZ retarded contract terms. |
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| The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better.
»www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/
Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues. |
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| It can still use the 900/1800/1900 on GSM worldwide as well as 850 on my Cingular phone. |
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join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | reply to compuwizz
said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. How is this any different with GSM 850/1900 and GSM 900/1800? The USA and Canada both use 850/1900 and 1700/2100 for UMTS/HDPSA, and the rest of the world uses 900/1900/2100. If you care enough you'll buy a phone that will work no matter where you take it. You're trying to make an argument out of something that has always existed since the very beginning of digital phones in North America.
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kamm
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to compuwizz
said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. » www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues. Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA. |
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kamm
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo:said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. How is this any different with GSM 850/1900 and GSM 900/1800? The USA and Canada both use 850/1900 and 1700/2100 for UMTS/HDPSA, and the rest of the world uses 900/1900/2100. If you care enough you'll buy a phone that will work no matter where you take it. You're trying to make an argument out of something that has always existed since the very beginning of digital phones in North America. Well said. |
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New York, NY | reply to kamm
said by kamm:said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. » www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues. Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA. said by kamm:said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. » www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues. Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA. They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies.
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Niagara Falls, ON | said by wifi4milez:They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies. ... and, if you remember the early days of GSM, the same applied. The only phones sold in North America were 1900, and the only ones sold in Europe and Asia were 900/1800. It is only the last few years where World Phones have become cheap and plentiful. The same will happen with UMTS and HSDPA.
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | said by Snickerdo:said by wifi4milez:They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies. ... and, if you remember the early days of GSM, the same applied. The only phones sold in North America were 1900, and the only ones sold in Europe and Asia were 900/1800. It is only the last few years where World Phones have become cheap and plentiful. The same will happen with UMTS and HSDPA. Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones!
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Niagara Falls, ON | said by wifi4milez:Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones! You could always do what a buddy of mine did prior to the days of world phones, and just swap sims with a local phone when in Europe. Should hold you over until proper world phones are out.
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
2 edits | reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez:said by Snickerdo:said by wifi4milez:They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies. ... and, if you remember the early days of GSM, the same applied. The only phones sold in North America were 1900, and the only ones sold in Europe and Asia were 900/1800. It is only the last few years where World Phones have become cheap and plentiful. The same will happen with UMTS and HSDPA. Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones! You've quite poorly researched your subject, pal - as I said above/below my HTC TyTn supports UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.
Outside of US I can use it in Europe, Asia etc everywhere. |
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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said by wifi4milez:said by kamm:said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. » www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues. Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA. said by kamm:said by compuwizz:The rest of the world uses 2100 MHz and another frequency for uploads that I can't remember right now. Cingular uses 850 and 1900 MHz, and tmobile will use 2100 MHz and another frequency which makes it not compatible with other world HSDPA phones. This article explains it better. » www.phonescoop.com/articles/aws/Therefore it has nothing to do with SIM cards if the phones themselves won't work on the networks due to technological issues. Exactly, that's why the original point had nothing to do with Cingular. As if you buy a worldphone you can use it anywhere and so can do the same in case of HSDPA. They dont currently make any true 3G worldphones. Such a device would need to be 5 or 6 band (I get confused with all the frequencies being used!). While there are a number of phones that work for voice everywhere, nobody has even attempted to make one with multiple 3G frequencies. Ummm newsflash: my HTC TyTn supports 7 different mode/freq combinations: UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE. |
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to Snickerdo
said by Snickerdo:said by wifi4milez:Of course it will happen. My point was that there aren't currently any handsets that do true global 3G roaming. Quite a shame too, since I am DYING to buy one! When I was in Europe over the summer I had to suffer through using GPRS (not even EDGE!), and I can tell you it was a nightmare. I often couldnt even get a consistent 10k either. Bring on the 3G world phones! You could always do what a buddy of mine did prior to the days of world phones, and just swap sims with a local phone when in Europe. Should hold you over until proper world phones are out. Apart from my TyTn HTC offers couple of other multiband HSDPA phones, for months now.  |
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to kamm
said by kamm:You've quite poorly researched your subject, pal - as I said above/below my HTC TyTn supports UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE.Outside of US I can use it in Europe, Asia etc everywhere. Perhaps YOU should do a little more research pal. UMTS is all but usless in the US, as only approximately 5 markets ever had it (from the old ATT days), and it is being decommissioned as we speak. Furthermore, all of the US is in the process of upgrading from EDGE to HSDPA, which the HTC TyTN does not support. Thirdly, Europe and Asia are all now rolling out HSDPA (and some test markets with HDUPA!), so once again your device falls flat. So basically your phone only works on current EUROPEAN 3G networks; which pretty much supports my argument that there are no global 3G phones yet. I am hope you are happy with your $1000 paper weight as you poke around at EDGE speeds! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
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New York, NY | reply to kamm
said by kamm:Ummm newsflash: my HTC TyTn supports 7 different mode/freq combinations: UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE. Quick summary:
US: Virtually no support for UMTS, and it is going away.
Europe: Support for UMTS, markets being upgraded to HSDPA
Asia: EVDO and CDMA variants, small support for UMTS. HSDPA upgrades in progress.
HTC TyTN:
No HSDPA support.
Lets recap. Your phone can make voice calls everywhere, but pretty much only allows for 3G services in Europe. Nice, really nice! 
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kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
2 edits | said by wifi4milez:said by kamm:Ummm newsflash: my HTC TyTn supports 7 different mode/freq combinations: UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz and GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz with GPRS and EDGE. Quick summary: US: Virtually no support for UMTS, and it is going away. Well I can see why you are posting these clueless comments - you decide not to look at the fact... FYI: HSDPA is and upgraded UMTS and quite contrary to your beliefs it's coming up here, in the US: Cingular is expanding and TMO is slated to start late next SUmmer.
Europe: Support for UMTS, markets being upgraded to HSDPA
Which is the same UMTS network, and also for my HSDPA phone, yes.
Asia: EVDO and CDMA variants, small support for UMTS. HSDPA upgrades in progress.
Supported by my phone, yes.
HTC TyTN: No HSDPA support. Lets recap. Your phone can make voice calls everywhere, but pretty much only allows for 3G services in Europe. Nice, really nice!
You know it looks really pretty silly when one is trying to be sarcastic without checking the facts first and turns out to be completely false - should I say embarrassing...? |
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