Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17509903 en Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:57:41 EDT Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:57:41 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527660 Psicop : I'll bet the anti-malware companies just love this testimonial.

Ssssssh!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527660 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:18:21 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527654 Kiwi : Then act like it, you have made statements that profess older years and expertize. These people have been a round security for sometime, they are well worth listening to; sometimes it's prudent to sit back.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527654 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:17:11 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527622 81399672 : i am 25 soon to be 26 so no i am not a kid]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527622 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:09:04 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527607 Kiwi :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by older dog See Profile :

True but I see no reason to mistrust Calamity Jane
Do you?
Kind off jane is working for lavasoft so will say whatever is told to say. I personally do not like 3rd party handling emails for any company as lavasoft had to give them list of emails in order to send the emails.
I was taking a break, but it's time people realized what your input really is, in general a small kid making out you are older, with a wish list to be grown up before your time! either that or seriously handicapped and that does tend to give 'Extra' privileges around here; Stop trolling the forums.

WhenU was a rather nasty event. Corrine you made an excellent observation and that tends to ride back to basics, people are getting lazy when it comes to basics. I think you are an asset in security.

Calamity is rather profound and not only respected, but liked. I'm sure CJ has a few answers and this was one!

Two fine Representatives, so don't knock them!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17527607 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 21:06:51 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17518437 Hutch :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by older dog See Profile :

True but I see no reason to mistrust Calamity Jane
Do you?
Kind off jane is working for lavasoft so will say whatever is told to say. I personally do not like 3rd party handling emails for any company as lavasoft had to give them list of emails in order to send the emails.
I trust CalamityJane See Profile. Her advise to users on this board has always been with sincerity and the want to help them with whatever issue they have. I see no lies here. Corrine See Profile & CalamityJane See Profile have always been up front as long as I have known them as well.

I un-installed Adware a while back. Not because of these emails handled by a third party company. I just have no need for adware to be on my PC's anymore.
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Thank you Corrine See Profile and CalamityJane See Profile for clearing that up.
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said by Corrine See Profile :

CJ, you are the best and have my sincere and utmost respect.
And you have mine! :)

Corrine does a lot of hard work volunteering in numerous forums too. She helps a lot of people, not only with Ad-Aware but with malware removal in general and overall PC security. I hardly think she was asking the question to "plug" her blog. Knowing Corrine as well as I do working closely with her over the years - she just doesn't operate that way.

It was a good question because there are likely others who wondered about the newsletter coming from Blue Hornet all of a sudden (me, not being observant enough to have noticed it when I got mine)...I saw Corrine's question here and sought to get a answer from the source. Which we did - so that's great and if anyone still wonders they now have an answer if they search for it.
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by older dog See Profile :

True but I see no reason to mistrust Calamity Jane
Do you?
Kind off jane is working for lavasoft so will say whatever is told to say. I personally do not like 3rd party handling emails for any company as lavasoft had to give them list of emails in order to send the emails.
Another stupid (and rude) statement...you apparently think CJ is a robot who can't think for herself or would sit back quietly and say nothing if something nefarious was going on. How insulting.

I can't believe people are freaking out because LS has handed over their newsletter mailings to another (well known) company, which is nothing new or unusual. Most people probably don't have a clue where "newsletter" type emails actually originate from, especially when there are large amounts of them to be sent out.

If everyone is so paranoid, use a throw away email address or don't "sign up" for mailings, or better yet, don't ever use products that require an email address to download and install....you never know who they're going to sell your *soul* to. :uhh:
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17516944 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 12:26:17 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17516334 Corrine :
said by bettywont See Profile :

Seems to me you are stirring the pot to promote your site and I'm not falling for it.
Not hardly.
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To those uninstalling Ad-Aware, please note that my complaint was not about Ad-Aware, but rather the sudden appearance of an e-mail from an e-marketing company, with no change to the Lavasoft privacy policy and the fake-looking information in the email, which, when mousing over the links showed a dr.bluehornet.com address -- including the link to the Lavasoft Privacy Policy.

I have been subscribed to Lavasoft newsletters and the like since 2003 (not November 7, 2006 as indicated in the email), volunteered countless hours on the former support forum, have continued to help users with Ad-Aware & Ad-Watch at the current forum and other help forums, and went out on a limb defending Lavasoft over the WhenU fiasco (Yes, it was a very badly handled situation and has been rectified with proper notice now when there is a de-listing.)

Although my post had nothing to do with the number of users of Ad-Aware, don't be confused with the number of cumulative downloads of the various versions of AAW with the number of users. Having "lived through" a version release, I am well aware that the counter at download.com and the other mirror sites was not reset to reflect a new version but rather added on. Thus, 200 million downloads of AAW does not mean there are close to 200 million users of AAW.

CJ, you are the best and have my sincere and utmost respect.
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AdAware, after reading CalamityJane See Profile contribution, remains useful free app to help fight spyware.

Cudni
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Sometimes, it would be nice, if people stopped relying on these rather benign programs and began to understand their Reg files. I know, it's an old concept; but when will people get tired of relying on others for basic cleanups?

I won't knock S&D, to date I have not seen any inference that indicates a problem. Still, it's time to get past the cookie cutter and delve a wee bit deeper into reality.

Well, that's my .2c]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515900 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:33:25 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515877 dvd536 : Why register? updates are posted on DSLR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515877 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:10:41 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515589 older dog : When U was a different issue some time ago, let’s hope it is never repeated.

I believe in second chances and this looks like a business decision to outsource their mailings.
I will keep my eyes open but until I see some more proof that they were selling email address to a marketer I will take them at there word

I am not one to jump to quickly, a friend or a business will have me at their side till it is clear that they no longer deserve it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515589 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:23:24 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515573 monski : I also just removed Lavasoft from my home computer and laptop. I'll remove it from my work computer next week.

Thanks Corrine!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515573 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 01:18:41 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515539 salzan :
said by older dog See Profile :

I don’t sense a lie here on anyone’s part which includes the original poster, just some misunderstandings.
And Lavasoft/WhenU was just a misunderstanding.This company is supposedly helping you keep your privacy. What's the misunderstanding when they give your info to a third party. No matter what the excuse, ie: we're just too busy....
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I don’t sense a lie here on anyone’s part which includes the original poster, just some misunderstandings.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515430 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:35:51 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515392 81399672 :
said by older dog See Profile :

True but I see no reason to mistrust Calamity Jane
Do you?
Kind off jane is working for lavasoft so will say whatever is told to say. I personally do not like 3rd party handling emails for any company as lavasoft had to give them list of emails in order to send the emails.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515392 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:26:16 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515378 older dog : True but I see no reason to mistrust Calamity Jane
Do you?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515378 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:22:53 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515297 81399672 :
said by older dog See Profile :

said by Barbara Ann See Profile :

Thanks Corrine - another one down the tube!
If you read the thread you would have found out Corrine was mistaken
that's your opinion]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515297 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:05:26 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515283 older dog :
said by Barbara Ann See Profile :

Thanks Corrine - another one down the tube!
If you read the thread you would have found out Corrine was mistaken]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515283 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 00:02:00 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515254 Barbara Ann : Thanks Corrine - another one down the tube!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515254 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:54:42 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17515168 WALL_E : I, for one, will continue to use Lavasoft Ad-aware when I clean other people's machines. Not because I don't trust Lavasoft enough for my own computer; I just don't need an antispyware at this point on my machine.

Is an "issue" like this really worth eliminating a potentially valuable security software product? There was not breach of privacy in this case; it was an email sent by the system that Lavasoft uses. They have not given anyone's email address to a 3rd party for marketing purposes! Removing this piece of software from your toolkit makes that toolkit less robust!

How can we hold a security software product to such irrationally-high standards when the very operating system it runs on (not bashing Windows or Microsoft; I actually LIKE Windows) uses DRM at such a deep level in its next revision? By these standards I suspect that MOST software products that we use would be unacceptable: just consider the number of software developers that use a 3rd party system for their mailing list!
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So like anything else the mail list is as safe as whoever you contract for the work is honest.
Truth be known, a postal mailing list is worth a whole lot more money than an equally populated email list & a postal list is a lot more sensitive than an email list too. I can't recall ever hearing a complaint about the electric company using a mail service to send out their bills despite the fact that they have your real name & address attatched to them. Try figure? :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514436 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:10:31 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514256 pianojl : "Click" *Removed*
I still won't keep it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514256 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 20:21:17 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17514108 CalamityJane : You're welcome, Norwegian. :)

I still do a great deal of volunteer work in this forum so it and it's members are still very near and dear to my heart. I try to get the right answers from the right people for everyone, even if it isn't always from me directly
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Thanks for the clarification C.J. must have been posting at the same time. :)

It answers a lot of my questions.
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said by norwegian See Profile :

I think it's about the term "trusted computing". People don't expect security vendors to be sharing thier info, or users info about the internet. Guess the fear factor comes to head here.
There is a lot of misperception in that statement.
Blue Hornet is a subsidiary of Digital River and they handle the newsletter emailing because of the extreme size of the mailings that has reached over 1 million subscribed and growing. Digital River is a trusted long time partner of Lavasoft and they handle these types of services for other large companies such as Autodesk, eBay, Symantec, and Trend Micro.

With 200 million Ad-aware users world-wide, and over 1 million of them subscribed to the newletter it is a natural course of business to use the Blue Hornet services to handle that large an email database and monthly mailings.

Lavasoft owns the newsletter email list... period. They have not 'handed over' any e-mails to a third-party marketing company. And their e-mails will not be used in any other way than to receive the Lavasoft mailings. If you are subscribed and don't wish to receive them any longer, you can simply unsubscribe.

I did ask LS Michael last night to please check this thread and sorry I wasn't around when she responded. She IS the editor at Lavasoft and she responded in the thread at the Lavasoft Forum because you all had stated here that you were looking for an "official response" in that thread over there.

There is no huge breach of trusted computing here. And yes, CJ is very happy in what she does in the Forums administation and malware research she does for Lavasoft - but LS Michael is truly the one to answer your questions about the newsletter, and I think she has.
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said by Corrine See Profile :

It is about "trusted computing". For me it isn't an issue of fear but rather just another straw, ya know?
I can't understand why Lavasoft cause themselves the publicity they do. I still use Ad-Aware here but a few I know don't because of the decisions they have made in the past.

For 10 good, it only takes one bad decision to tarnish your name. Trusting an off base company to hold on to personal info is a big step, particularly a security company. Do LS monitor the database servers of this company ? Did they pick this company over an advertisement ? Another company's suggestion, or hearsay ?

As for C.J. she would have to be a bonus to anyone who employs here, as would a lot of people that visit here, who are kind enough to help those not so fortunate in the knowledge of O/S' and the internet. Sorry I mentioned it the way I did, it wasn't meant to sound like a curve ball.
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Norwegian, CJ is a bonus for LS. Everyone here knows how good she is and you know she is doing what she loves. You're right too. It is about "trusted computing". For me it isn't an issue of fear but rather just another straw, ya know?

(P.S. Hi, dadkins & everyone. Its good to see you again.)
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said by antiserious See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

The thing is, some of us have machines that would be crippled if we were to use Linux.

If you have basic needs, Linux is fine! Knock yourself out! :)

Not to wander O/T and get spanked for it, but I can assure you that I have more than 'basic needs' and linux satisfies them all, and then some !

There's a lot of misconception about Linux, but I think (or hope, at least) you know me well enough to know I'm not in the habit of "blowin' smoke" at the membership here. You might be surprised at what Linux is up to these days, if you choose the right distro for your hardware and 'special needs' (no offense to the short-bus crew).

Anyway, enough O/T blather - different strokes, and all that. At least we can agree that Lavasoft sucks.

:D
I try them all the time... I get bored often. :(
Trust me, none of them can do what I want/need for *this* machine. Sorry.

Even Vista Ultimate can't cut it! :huh:

Have a look. The docking station and remote are a must!
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said by pog See Profile :

I wonder if anyone will care what the response is now that one is posted by "LS Michael":
You can be assured that your e-mails have not been 'turned over' to a 3rd party marketing firm to do with as they please. BlueHornet is simply the mailing engine required to send our monthly newsletter out to the nearly 1 million people on the mailing list now. Lavasoft owns the list and will always own the list, thus the sender as editor@lavasoft.com (the same e-mail that is published for our newsletter).
It's really nothing to get worked up over. In fact, checking out what BlueHornet does as a business should have been enough of a clue.
I think it's about the term "trusted computing". People don't expect security vendors to be sharing thier info, or users info about the internet. Guess the fear factor comes to head here.
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You can be assured that your e-mails have not been 'turned over' to a 3rd party marketing firm to do with as they please. BlueHornet is simply the mailing engine required to send our monthly newsletter out to the nearly 1 million people on the mailing list now. Lavasoft owns the list and will always own the list, thus the sender as editor@lavasoft.com (the same e-mail that is published for our newsletter).
It's really nothing to get worked up over. In fact, checking out what BlueHornet does as a business should have been enough of a clue.
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Doesn't sound too good. Sorry to hear they aren't climbing up the security ladder.
Thought hiring C.J. was a bonus for them.

Oh well, we do lie in our own mess. Hope Lavasoft see's the light.
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I went to superantispywares site and its 30 bucks after a 30 day trial. I could probably get a license from a hacking site, but thats not the way I want to go.

Im currently using spybot on one system(which I know is free) but Im just wondering if its also just not effective enough. Its always seem to keep me out of trouble, but Im not really sure if its really catching all the vermin.

Ive tried windows defender (and I wasnt impressed, spybot seems to work better.)

I also have a new version of webroot's spysweeper (which I know is a bought program and after the first year requires a subscription to maintain it but I got it for free after rebate and thought Id try it just for comparisons sake. I plan to install it shortly after the holiday season)

Ive seen the polls, but am still wondering which free ap is the most effective for detecting and preventing malware? And then which is the best, even if it costs? (independent web site and prod review comparisons would be nice to see if you have them)
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It's kind of unrealistic to expect a company to NOT plug their products to people who have subscribed to their mailing list, isn't it? (unless I misunderstand the situation here - I didn't receive this email because I don't use Ad-aware).

Was this email a plug for Lavasoft products, or something else?
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Cudni]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512771 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:17:51 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512761 hayc59 :
said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by hayc59 See Profile :

Since finding SUPERAntispyware
I have not looked back at Ad-aware
and it feels nice :)
thanks, will give it a try. Just downloaded and scanning my comp, if i like i will be uninstalling saying good buy to lavasoft
I think you may be very happy
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For myself, between Fx, Opera and Ccleaner, I really have no use for their product anyway.
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said by CajunTek See Profile :

But posting about Linux in this thread is what is known as OT... and has nothing to do with Lavasoft's actions or what replacement others might use..
Sorry, I was suggesting that Linux was my replacement. Maybe that's too big of a replacement step to be considered here.

said by dadkins See Profile :

The thing is, some of us have machines that would be crippled if we were to use Linux.
Dadkins, you are correct ... specialized or proprietary hardware can be a problem for any OS, especially OS'es that were not considered when the hardware was designed and drivers written. This could be a big stumbling block for anyone considering Linux as an alternative to Windows plus additional anti-malware applications. I don't know what unique hardware you have, although I think I remember you posting about a Sony laptop previously. If proprietary hardware is to be found, it will most likely be found on a laptop. That's where the small size and low power battles are fought, which leads vendors to distinguish themselves with specialized and customized offerings.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512707 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 14:04:23 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512615 viperpa33s : I stopped using Lavasoft after the spyware fiasco. Now we have them selling there customers email addresses. If money was the issue then they should no longer provide there product for free. Even if you paid for the product, it won't stop them from selling your email address.

We trust a company to do the right thing and they turn around and do all the wrong things. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512615 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:44:15 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512558 older dog : Maybe it is the season on why I am being so forgiving

If this is true about Ad Aware it is sad.
They were one of the first to fight spyware and so many of us have been able to use their free product for so many years.

No matter what they are doing now all of us who have benefited from their free product owe then a great big thank you.

Maybe if more of us had paid for what we took for granted they would never have sunk to this level.

I thank them for past good deeds and hope they return to their old ways.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512558 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:31:00 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512535 fatdcuk : Another PR spectacular by the folks @ Lavasoft and yet some of you are shocked by their actions....

Combind that with an ageing product which in its current build is ineffective against a lot of the new malware appearing.
Inability to unpack certain packers and the infrequency of updates being other *weak* points to the products overall effectiveness in its current evolution.

You only need to see the state of play in their product support forum with reguards users seeking extra help because the software has been p4wned to see this for yourselves.

The onetime *daddy* of them all needs to evolve or slip away into the realms of obscurity unless you want a *Cookie cleaner* for thoes pesky hard to remove *critical files* :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512535 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:24:47 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512513 81399672 :
said by older dog See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

Spybot.Ewido,A2,Spyblaster.
spyblaster haven't been updated in long time unless i am mistaking and thinking of something else, haven't used A2 in a while as its scan slow but will check it and will give spybot and ewido a try
Are you thinking of spywareguard
thanks, yes that's what i was thinking]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512513 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:19:49 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512510 antiserious :
said by dadkins See Profile :

The thing is, some of us have machines that would be crippled if we were to use Linux.

If you have basic needs, Linux is fine! Knock yourself out! :)

Not to wander O/T and get spanked for it, but I can assure you that I have more than 'basic needs' and linux satisfies them all, and then some !

There's a lot of misconception about Linux, but I think (or hope, at least) you know me well enough to know I'm not in the habit of "blowin' smoke" at the membership here. You might be surprised at what Linux is up to these days, if you choose the right distro for your hardware and 'special needs' (no offense to the short-bus crew).

Anyway, enough O/T blather - different strokes, and all that. At least we can agree that Lavasoft sucks.

:D
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

Spybot.Ewido,A2,Spyblaster.
spyblaster haven't been updated in long time unless i am mistaking and thinking of something else, haven't used A2 in a while as its scan slow but will check it and will give spybot and ewido a try
Are you thinking of spywareguard]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512494 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 13:15:41 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512413 81399672 :
said by hayc59 See Profile :

Since finding SUPERAntispyware
I have not looked back at Ad-aware
and it feels nice :)
thanks, will give it a try. Just downloaded and scanning my comp, if i like i will be uninstalling saying good buy to lavasoft]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512413 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:55:23 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512399 dadkins : The thing is, some of us have machines that would be crippled if we were to use Linux.

If you have basic needs, Linux is fine! Knock yourself out! :)

*THIS* machine would have alot of dead HW with any Linux.
Having HW that is non-functional is not what I purchased this machine for.
Seeing as I take little to no hit whatsoever from running ALOT of various softwares(AV/AS/firewall only for security)... no worries! ;)

Maybe on my older laptop, which is a rather generic machine, Linux will be an option... not this monster! :)

As to Lavasoft - AdAware... I have it more as a novelty any more. All it(or anything else for that matter) finds is cookies. :huh:

Cookies are irrelavent!

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I have not looked back at Ad-aware
and it feels nice :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512394 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:51:34 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512384 CajunTek :
said by haertig See Profile :

said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

I stopped using it on my system and the wife's a while back, i think it's time i remove it from my daughters system as well.
what do you use instead?
I gave up on all this protection software a while back too. I just got so sick of it. Some worked OK, some did nothing, and ones that used to work well went downhill over time and started becoming problems in their own right (e.g., this thread about Lavasoft).

For me, the answer was Linux. I know many here don't want to hear that word and will spit blood just at it's mere utterance. But it seems silly not mentioning it just because some people will be pissed off. Of course Linux will not protect you from spam from unscrupulous companies. But it may save you from feeling the need to install extra software from companies that behave like this and put you on spammer's lists in the first place.
No blood spitting here.. But posting about Linux in this thread is what is known as OT... and has nothing to do with Lavasoft's actions or what replacement others might use..
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

I stopped using it on my system and the wife's a while back, i think it's time i remove it from my daughters system as well.
what do you use instead?
I gave up on all this protection software a while back too. I just got so sick of it. Some worked OK, some did nothing, and ones that used to work well went downhill over time and started becoming problems in their own right (e.g., this thread about Lavasoft).

For me, the answer was Linux. I know many here don't want to hear that word and will spit blood just at it's mere utterance. But it seems silly not mentioning it just because some people will be pissed off. Of course Linux will not protect you from spam from unscrupulous companies. But it may save you from feeling the need to install extra software from companies that behave like this and put you on spammer's lists in the first place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512361 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:42:40 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512184 MarkAW :
said by antiserious See Profile :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

Spyblaster.

Can we assume from the screenshot you posted that you're actually referring to SpywareBlaster ? With the abundance of copycat, rogue vendors out there it would help to at least be accurate with the names of legitimate products.

IMHO.



Sorry made spelling mistake.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512184 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 12:00:40 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512126 antiserious :
said by MarkAW See Profile :

Spyblaster.

Can we assume from the screenshot you posted that you're actually referring to SpywareBlaster ? With the abundance of copycat, rogue vendors out there it would help to at least be accurate with the names of legitimate products.

IMHO.



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Corinne knows the Lavasoft folks better than most, having been associated with them in the past. IMHO they've shown a disdain for the concerns of their user base for quite a while now, along with a distinct lack of class. So I'm not surprised, but still disappointed for their 'victims' and good people like CJ who've chosen to work with them.

I've been AdAware-free since the WhenU fiasco, and this just confirms once again my decision was correct.

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said by 81399672 See Profile :

said by MarkAW See Profile :

I stopped using it on my system and the wife's a while back, i think it's time i remove it from my daughters system as well.
what do you use instead?
I can't speak for beenieman but I have secured my daughter's PC without the use of any 3rd party anti-malware applications. She is running XP Pro, uses an LUA, has secure browser settings she cannot change, http is filtered via Proxomitron whose settings she cannot access, she cannot install software, NTFS restrictions and Software Restriction Policy prevent her from running any software I did not expressly make available to her (whitelist). She surfs the web, uses email and IM. No infections of any kind as yet and I get bored looking for them. :)

I'll bet the anti-malware companies just love this testimonial. :D
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edit:mod can you split off topic in to it's own thread about what good scanner to use instead of lavasoft]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512083 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:33:09 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512078 MarkAW : Me thinks you need to check your spywareblaster updated Dec 19th.
Sorry about OT WCB.
Click for full size
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said by MarkAW See Profile :

Spybot.Ewido,A2,Spyblaster.
spyblaster haven't been updated in long time unless i am mistaking and thinking of something else, haven't used A2 in a while as its scan slow but will check it and will give spybot and ewido a try]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512059 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:28:55 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512042 MarkAW : Spybot.Ewido,A2,Spywareblaster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17512042 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:25:32 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511986 81399672 :
said by MarkAW See Profile :

I stopped using it on my system and the wife's a while back, i think it's time i remove it from my daughters system as well.
what do you use instead?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511986 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:12:37 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511963 MarkAW : I stopped using it on my system and the wife's a while back, i think it's time i remove it from my daughters system as well.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511963 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:08:16 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511959 dadkins : Thanks Corrine! ;)

Ya know, it's getting pretty sad when you have to protect yourself from "Security" product companies... :huh:
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has been going - spamming people. Maybe not direcly like
them, but close enough in my book.
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said by Hutch See Profile :

said by hpguru See Profile :

"Lavasoft R.I.P" - Has a nice ring to it. :)
LOL. ;) did that a while ago.
Same here but up until now I have used it to clean up other peoples messes where it mostly finds copious amounts of *C r i t i c a l tracking cookies*. LOL!
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Dear Jesus!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511720 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 10:02:07 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511655 Hutch :
said by hpguru See Profile :

"Lavasoft R.I.P" - Has a nice ring to it. :)
LOL. ;) did that a while ago.
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Edit: It would be interesting to learn what other spam campaigns Bluehornet has been involved it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511630 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:34:47 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511593 winchester73 : We'll see if there is any response: »www.lavasoftsupport.com/index.ph···pic=5561]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511593 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:19:13 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511536 Old Computer : Thanks you for info... I will take care.
Good read ....listening Maria Callas.... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511536 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:59:35 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511525 winchester73 : "Make sure our emails end up in your inbox, not your bulk or junk folders. Simply add editor@lavasoft.com to your email address book or trusted-sender list.

"You have received this message because you have registered to get information about Lavasoft and its products."

:mad:

I suppose none of us should really be surprised at this lame attempt at increasing their revenue stream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511525 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:54:23 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511482 Lithp : Bah- I got rid of Lavasoft sooo long ago. They just can't be trusted. They've lost all credibility. You will recall their exclusions list some time ago which actually allowed some spyware to pass by their filters.
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Thanks for the info Corrine. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511461 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:20:14 EDT Re: Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511358 sharpy merc : Three words.(or four if you want to be picky)

Throw-away email address.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17511358 Sat, 23 Dec 2006 07:23:18 EDT Lavasoft = Privacy? Not any more! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17509903 Corrine : I don't know how many of you subscribe to the Lavasoft Updates & news. I have been subscribed at least for several years. However, I see that Lavasoft has now provided my email address to BlueHornet, a third party marketing company.

What got me was the message when I unsubscribed:

Thank you. This e-mail address will be opted out from all marketing e-mail subscriptions within 48 hours. In the interim, you may continue to receive e-mail marketing to which you originally subscribed. If you wish to resume e-mail communications in the future, please click on the subscribe button on the homepage of our site. {Emphasis added}

For those who don't subscribe, what I found is documented in my blog posting at »securitygarden.blogspot.com/2006···-to.html
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