Re: Lol in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17513976 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:59:40 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:59:40 EDT Re: Lol http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17513976 ropeguru :
said by phattieg See Profile :

: Sorry Sir, your IPTV U-Verse account had to be shut off due to the lawsuit being lost for franchise rights in your area. The good news is we can now offer DSL up to 100Mbps.
Then at that point it would be time for me to go complain to my franchise authority and do something about it. Until then, they need to follow the rules.

I guess you are one of those that drive over the speed limit, because you think the posted speed it too slow, and think the "man" is just out to get you because you were not following the rules.
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said by ropeguru See Profile :

said by HyPeRbAnD See Profile :

said by DaBavarian See Profile :

I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into.
I think that is the argument from att, that IPTV is not the same as traditional TV.
And if it is an information service, there MUST be a ruling before you go potentially breaking the law. Everyone these days only what to look at what is on the surface from these issues, ie. quick roll out of IPTV, and refuse to look deeper and see what other issues may be caused by allowing all of this to happen.
: Sorry Sir, your IPTV U-Verse account had to be shut off due to the lawsuit being lost for franchise rights in your area. The good news is we can now offer DSL up to 100Mbps.
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said by DaBavarian See Profile :

I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into.
No, IPTV is not an information service.
Here is the heart of the Vonage decision:
``capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, utilizing, or making available information via telecommunications.´´ 47 U.S.C. § 153(20). The process of transmitting customer calls over the Internet requires Vonage to ``act on´´ the format and protocol of the information. 47 C.F.R. § 64.702(a).

IPTV as AT&T offers it would not clearly qualify (that would take a court to decide). YouTube would be a much closer example that would qualify.

In the absence of a finding that a service is an information service, it is a telecommunications or video service and the appropriate laws apply.
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said by squid7 See Profile :

The burden is on the state to prove AT&T is doing wrong, not AT&T to prove they are doing right. And as for information service, the FCC already ruled that information services aren't "cable". This was a win for the cable companies who wanted their HSI to not be regulated like their CATV products were.
The city loses and AT&T wins in this case. And you are right. AT&T gets to do its rollout and the city has to prove they shouldn't have done that. Not the other way around.
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said by HyPeRbAnD See Profile :

said by DaBavarian See Profile :

I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into.
I think that is the argument from att, that IPTV is not the same as traditional TV.
And if it is an information service, there MUST be a ruling before you go potentially breaking the law. Everyone these days only what to look at what is on the surface from these issues, ie. quick roll out of IPTV, and refuse to look deeper and see what other issues may be caused by allowing all of this to happen.
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said by DaBavarian See Profile :

I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into.
I think that is the argument from att, that IPTV is not the same as traditional TV. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17501582 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:39:12 EDT Re: Lol http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17501307 squid7 : That is the point...whether or not the cable TV franchise law there applies to AT&T and their IPTV service.

The court will decide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17501307 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:05:19 EDT Re: Lol http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17501011 Mega DETH : No matter what side your on, it's the consumer once again that gets fuked over..
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As for AT&T... I hope they get majorly screwed for doing this! :p
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There's a reason cities need zoning laws.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17500889 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:00:34 EDT Re: Lol http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17500780 DaBavarian : I thought IPTV was an "information service" just like all of the VOIP providers that don't have to pay into all the fees that the traditional copper line phone companies pay into. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17500780 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:43:52 EDT Re: Lol http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17500715 ropeguru :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Way to go!

I hate it when cities try to limit progress like trying to block Walmart from opening shop, stop McMansions, etc.
Well, I hate it when these large corporations think they are above all the laws in place and ignore them. If you don't like it then do something to get it chenged. Otherwise, until that change occurs, OBEY THE LAW!!!
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I hate it when cities try to limit progress like trying to block Walmart from opening shop, stop McMansions, etc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17500576 Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:07:26 EDT