Re: If you have nothing to hide. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17530271 en Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:39:19 EDT Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:39:19 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530271 anon : right on. The 'if you're not hiding something then you shouldn't be worried' argument is bullshit. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to encrypt traffic (privacy, anyone?).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530271 Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:56:15 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17530249 Rexter : Since you have nothing to hide, end me your bank account, and routing number. I just want to make sure that they are legit, since you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't have an issue with this, right. While your at it, I'll take your user name and password for your email. I just want to have a look at your email. What do you have to loose?
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said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
Uh...wow?

Since when should I have to openly show everything to everybody?
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Generally:
a) The ISPs violate peering agreements (costs money)
b) The ISPs have to purchase more bandwidth (costs money)
c) The ISPs are concerned with lawsuits (costs money)
d) The ISPs have other more nefarious reasons (they are selling voice services, video services, streaming music services)

In the case of d) once they can identify a way to get a cut of the profits of the providers of such services, a b and c will come back into play in descending precedence (IMO).

Long term...think of the Internet as cable TV...it's gonna suck, except for the people that aren't paying extra to talk with fluff! (think usenet/irc vs broadband reports pay to post)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526930 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:50:51 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526895 xsiddalx : tch...

When did ISPs begin purchasing asymmetrical connections?

The only reason upload speeds are generally restricted it due to the business model. People using the internet are like television watchers...we "pull more content" than we "deliver". Bittorent (and skype) attempt to change that.

Without the "spare" upload capacity, the economics of "web hosting", "spam serving", "pr0n distribution" would change drastically. Cynical as I may be, I presume the largest of the publically traded companies are using the upstream for "business class" type services that are relatively legitimate.

In the end, the first ISP (telco/cableco) with the cajones to declare internet access "Port 80" and POP3 will be the one that has declared the "mom and pop and their high school kids" their market. It is coming, along with all of the government privacy mandates...think how long the ratings on tv took and how much more google infiltrates the home than tv ever could...

Why ain't the answer just charge everyone for bandwidth?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526895 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:41:51 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526810 xsiddalx : Getting around the throttle of ISPs is becoming mandatory because the ISPs continue to refuse to specify real limits on bandwidth consumption (mostly because they don't have a real ability and there are no real compelling reasons for them to cut off their cash flow).

Effectively...they are subsidizing the high usage customers with the low usage customers at the moment...give it time...the billing systems are still developing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526810 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:22:15 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526796 xsiddalx : and quit sealing your envelopes when you send a post!

Heck..google cellular eavesdropping...

Back in the 90's there must have been a heck of a lot of illegal conversations occuring for the government to step in and make eavesdropping illegal (414-1 vote).

Maybe there are other reasons for privacy?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526796 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:17:39 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526734 nixen :
said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
So, when you use the US Mail, you only send postcards?

-tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526734 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:05:29 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526131 jazzy_ : It truly is a scary world when everything we get and do becomes a privilege to us from the powers that be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17526131 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:04:02 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525861 kinabrew : 4 - Find out what should be charged to the worst 10% to pay for infrastructure and upgrade costs and then charge that to everyone.

That's what they'll really do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525861 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:07:07 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525738 exocet_cm :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

Doboy doesnt, he said he will not have any official torrents and its upto the community to do it unofficially, it hasnt. GT does have official, nicly seeded, torrents and they run their own tracker.
Ok, it is GT then. I forgot which artist I downloaded music from. DI.fm plays their music all the time.
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It's not even that any more which is why it shouldn't be thrown around. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525658 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:27:53 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525647 patcat88 : Doboy doesnt, he said he will not have any official torrents and its upto the community to do it unofficially, it hasnt. GT does have official, nicly seeded, torrents and they run their own tracker.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525647 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:25:22 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525635 patcat88 :
said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
BT encryption does nothing to stop the RIAA, it just stops any middle men from seeing what you do. In the end, you have to make connections to other untrusted IPs, nothing will protect you from that, dont like it, get off p2p.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525635 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:23:50 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525626 Stumbles : Well that your proof of a clueless user is evident with such a statement. It nearly never fails.... some one..... has to make ...... the same nitwit-ed comment when this subject comes up.

For the umpteenth time, there ARE legitimate uses of bit torrent BESIDES grabbing copyrighted material their authors do not want downloaded.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525626 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:21:11 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525610 DaSneaky1D : You know, I actually agree with you. Bandwidth concerns have become a thing of the past since Amazon started offering their S3 service.

True, you have to pay, but the burden is no longer on your customers to support.
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said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
This statement enlightened me.

Never again will I seek privacy, as it seems to've been added to the eight deadly sins.
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You're dating yourself, because most of today's readers aren't going to grok grok! ;)

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If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.


You have failed to understand the real problem.

First FTP, POP, and TELNET do not by default encrypt passwords and therefore bad people, not just governments, exploit that traffic to collect user's account information. So you see that encryption is used for good as well as bad. Encryption in and of itself does not indicate intent.

Second it is unfortunate that so many childish US citizens fail to grok the idea that NSA is not their worst enemy. Their worst enemy is the nation that *IS* monitoring all traffic at their ISPs gateway router. How it that accomplished? Simple really someone in India, Pakistan, Korea, China, or God knows where, brute forces an SSH account on a server local to your ISPs backbone. Then they own that server. Then they monitor all communications on that network to collect account information on other networks, to collect tidbits in E-Mail, and to watch selected individuals for whatever purposes. You see while you fear NSA because they *appear* to break the rules, you fail to realize that other governments *have no rules*. You are free to call this paranoia as you wish.

It has been my opinion for many years, even before I left the SIGINT community that all links should be encrypted at all times. I still stand by that opinion and I should add that the *ONLY* reason not to encrypt it because you want the information disseminated to the largest possible audience.

Just my two...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525204 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:03:50 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525493 BIGMIKE :
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said by brianiscool See Profile :

Lets just start encrypting all of our data.
Thats EXACTLY what we should do, with bullshit like the patriot act and unfettered access for law enforcement, that my friends shall be the wave of the future...this is only the beginning.
I don,t need to be doing wrong to want privacy..it is MY DIVINE RIGHT as an AMERICAN CITIZEN...are you familiar with a little document know as the CONSTITUTION???
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It's anti competitive business at it's finest. Cripple any service that uses bittorrent and (if net neutrality fails) offer them a premium service that allows all of the ISPs customers to download games updates at full speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525315 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 13:22:59 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525154 Trinijoy : Excuse me?

We have the right to have privacy at our house and ESPECIALLY at our computer. This is not "1984". If I want to encrypt my data or other data for security purposes I WILL. No matter if it's document files that are important or pictures from my wedding. There are too many hackers out there now who will do anything to anyone's computer. And there are MANY MANY legal Torrents out there for just Movie trailers, files. So they throttle bad torrents, they throttle good. Where does it end?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525154 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:48:55 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17525076 TKJunkMail :
said by SinNombre See Profile :

even if you aren't trying to "hide" something, alot of companies (read the freakin article, first) limit torrents for completely arbitrary reasons, anyway.
It is not completely arbitrary. They do it because the bittorrent users flood upstream bandwidth and negatively impact other users trying to use limited resources. The only solutions are:
1 - ISPs upgrade infrastructure to provide more upstream bandwidth. But that cost lots of money and WILL significantly increase rates for all users.

2 - block bittorrent traffic so the upgrades aren't necessary.

3 - and my personal favorite - charge mucho extra dollars for those users eating up upstream bandwidth beyond some floor that gets 90% of the users no cost increase, but slaps big charges on the heavy users(worst 10%). They then underwrite the infrastructure upgrade costs.
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said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
that's a pretty dopey statement considering the level of packet snooping that takes place on a daily basis... encryption isn't just about bittorrent... it's about keeping data safe and away from the prying eyes of people with the ability to cause you grief... that whole "if you have nothing to hide" statement is crap and needs to be dropped wholesale... it may have worked at one time, but not anymore... the sheer amount of data that flows on a daily basis begs that you hide and encrypt as much data as you possibly can... the fact that data isn't already defacto encrypted is a mystery to me considering the state of the net these days... and it won't get better as long as the net is a bleeding-edge frontier of the wild bit west...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524969 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 12:12:53 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524921 Hangmn :
said by brianiscool See Profile :

Lets just start encrypting all of our data.
Thats EXACTLY what we should do, with bullshit like the patriot act and unfettered access for law enforcement, that my friends shall be the wave of the future...this is only the beginning.
I don,t need to be doing wrong to want privacy..it is MY DIVINE RIGHT as an AMERICAN CITIZEN...are you familiar with a little document know as the CONSTITUTION???
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The only people who are allowed to view data that I send are myself and the person I'm sending it to.

That's why encryption is necessary.
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said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
This quote is so stupid its beyond words...You see it all the time .. "Well if you are innocent you don't need to worry....or If you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have to worry".

Why not? Who says? Where is the line drawn? You are explicitly giving up your rights as a user or citizen when you post such drivel. I want my government to fear me. I vote them into office, they work for me. I want my telco/cable co power co to fear me. I am their customer as is my neighbor and his neighbor. We pay explicitly for them to provide me a service.

How I chose to transmit information is none of their concern. Whether I use encryption or not is of no importance. Whether I'm hiding information from my kids or wife or neighbor is none of the telcos or governments concern. I could be encrypting everything just because I can and you know what...that's my prerogative.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524668 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:05:26 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524657 meister_sd : This article doesn't discuss "hiding" because of downloading whatever, it discusses encryption to get around the throttle of ISPs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524657 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:03:41 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524628 brianiscool : Lets just start encrypting all of our data.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524628 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:55:07 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524599 Kevin83165 : This age old topic "steal movies and music" has been beaten down and regurgitated for way too long now. Yawn.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524599 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:49:14 EDT Re: If you have nothing to hide. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17524567 TKJunkMail :
said by brianiscool See Profile :

If you have nothing to hide don't encrypt your data.
Of course, they do have something to hide. Because most of the bittorrent users(NOT ALL) are using it to steal movies and songs.
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