 trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
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| What is it with people?!?! What is it with people?!?! Content creators have the right to protect their Intellectual Property. What is it that you don't understand about that concept? They have the right! They created it! If they don't want you to play their content on your PC than it is their damn right to do so!
If you made a movie and it took millions of dollars to make and suddenly you are looking at only half of that money coming back because of some little shit that is pirating your movie, wouldn't you be pissed off? Yes, that's right, you would be. So, they DRM the movie and lock you out of doing stuff with that movie.
It's called ****ing economics!
You would be singing a different tune if you had made a movie and you poured your blood, sweat, and tears into making it and you all of a sudden saw your movie being traded online as if its nothing more than a piece of paper.
I don't condone DRM, but at least I'm not so blind that I can't see the need for it.
Think that this is a victory for the masses? The cracking of this DRM? LMAO This will just make way for even more draconian DRM methods.
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| said by trparky:What is it with people?!?! Content creators have the right to protect their Intellectual Property. What is it that you don't understand about that concept? They have the right! They created it! If they don't want you to play their content on your PC than it is their damn right to do so! If you made a movie and it took millions of dollars to make and suddenly you are looking at only half of that money coming back because of some little shit that is pirating your movie, wouldn't you be pissed off? Yes, that's right, you would be. So, they DRM the movie and lock you out of doing stuff with that movie. It's called ****ing economics! Okay.
Prove this wrong: On-line Porn sites make more money than anyone AND people do pass around files illegally. They don't use DRM on 99% of the sites. Jenna Jameson has no problem making $33 million a year on her site with NO DRM. Funny, Playboy bought it for a bundle ($500 million so the rumors say).
Porn also is DVD quality. Except for the ugly guys and lousy music, Porn has a better business model than the MPAA and RIAA does. Why? They produce stuff people actually want. If the porn sucks, the site dies.
I know men that willing pay $29.95 a month to have unfettered access to a massive porn site. It even has a side effect: the porn videos are usually so big they have to buy another HD or 2 to store it. |
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 koolman2Premium
join:2002-10-01
Anchorage, AK | reply to trparky
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not...?
Anywho, the more people that see the movie, the more people that are likely to buy the movie. Those folks that download it and never buy it wouldn't buy it anyway. The vast minority that would otherwise buy it if they had no means to see it for free make up such a small lost revenue that those that downloaded and then bought make up for it three times over.
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 dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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So, if you purchase a DVD and it gets scratched on the third day you have owned it to the point of it never working again... you don't mind going out and buying another one?
Personally, I prefer making a backup of my purchases for just this senario.
Guess what I use to copy it.
My computer! 
Use the backup as the working copy and store the original in a cool place.
Don't really care about the copy... just make another if it gets trashed.
I don't share my purchased media, so copying is a no brainer!
YMMV.
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Xure
join:2003-11-14
Beverly Hills, CA | reply to trparky
Whatever.
If they have the right to their whatever then they should call it renting and not selling. They sell the rights not rent.
The public needs to be properly educated to what kind of right they actually possess when renting music from CD retailers or outfits like iTunes.
The reality of you not actually owning the stuff you buy or owning any rights to do anything but what they tell you you can do needs to be taught to the public. Until this is done nothing will happen on a larger scale.
So whatever on the "right of content providers".
If I sold you a car and told you you can drive it only at 4 pm on Sundays, you would call that renting and would walk away. But "content providers" can apparently sell me stuff AND keep their rights. Most any other merchandise assumes once sold, the new owner can do whatever they please. I guess making a car or growing crops takes no labor, creativity or inventiveness.
When people shell over money, they have every right to assume their rights are and will be protected. Only in the universe of shills does that not happen. |
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trparkyApple... YUMPremium,MVM
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The whole point of the matter is that by defeating the DRM, that only shows that we are thieves and that they will counter it with even worse DRM.
I don't like DRM as much as the next guy but cracking it over and over again isn't going to solve anything, in fact its only going to make the situation worse.
Deal with the DRM that we have now. My belief is that things are going to get worse before it gets better.
Already some person in MPAA-land is hiring some person/company to come up with DRM that makes the DRM of today look like child's play. And what's to stop it from being released? Nothing. Why? Because they keep seeing their money go out the door.
To make a long story short, we are fighting the battle all wrong. We should be proving that we aren't thieves and that we can be trusted.
The RIAA and MPAA all think we are thieves, but if change their mind, maybe they'll be more lenient and offer us more rights.
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 geekamongusReal Slump QualityPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-27
Asheville, NC | reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:So, if you purchase a DVD and it gets scratched on the third day you have owned it to the point of it never working again... you don't mind going out and buying another one? This is especially true if you have kids. I learned long ago to make a copy of any DVD my boys get, and to let them handle the copy, not the original. All those Wiggles videos add up quickly when you have to replace them because of scratches.
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 81399672Premium
join:2006-05-17
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 you keep doing that, and rest will just keep cracking. They can release drm more powerful and it will still get cracked |
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JBear
join:2005-02-24
canada | reply to trparky
Screw that!
I would seriously buy a movie/cd if it was the best quality available, and reasonably priced.
I know there are millions of people who don't have the same morals I do. So what do you do?
Why would someone who bought a movie, want to give it away for free? Granted, my friends would probably beg me for a free copy and I'd probably would give it to them, then they (who didn't spend a cent on the movie) would share it with p2p. So honestly, what do you do? Something tells me DRM isn't going to work except for the ones who are scared of lawsuits, and computer illiterate. |
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said by trparky:What is it with people?!?! Content creators have the right to protect their Intellectual Property. What is it that you don't understand about that concept? They have the right! They created it! If they don't want you to play their content on your PC than it is their damn right to do so! Your whole rant is pointless because you assume that it's the content creators that push for DRM. Last time I checked, RIAA does not produce any content, and yet, it is predominantly RIAA that wants to DRM everything. And guess what, RIAA does not protect content creators by using DRM, it is protecting itself (or at least tries to).
Sure there are some bands, that also would prefer to use DRM, but there are plenty who don't. There are plenty of independant bands that don't use DRM and there are plenty of bands under RIAA arm that have spoken against it. And yet every single band under RIAA has no say in the matter because RIAA DRM's everything. And this is where I have a problem. If a band wants to use DRM, I will take it into consideration when I want to buy their CD, but if it does not want to use DRM, but still has to because of the RIAA, I'm out of luck because I cannot boycott every single piece of music out there. And yes, there is some good music produced by groups under RIAA contract. |
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jsouthJsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | reply to trparky
The only problem is that DRM is like locks on your house. It only keeps the honest people out.
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"Already some person in MPAA-land is hiring some person/company to come up with DRM that makes the DRM of today look like child's play."
Yeah, and that future is already here in the form of hard coded "trusted" garbage.
Your posts confuse me, are you for against it? If "we are fighting this battle all wrong" then you oppose such restrictions on fair use? If you see the "need" for "protection" on media, then are you for imposing restrictions on the people's fair use rights?
I, for one, see that fair use should be protected. Discs these days are SO less durable than VHS tapes, or even scratchy old vinyl, which could then be dubbed to a cassette tape (again, durable).
One scratch, and wham, your shiny crystal clear video is demolished. Drop a VHS tape, kick it across the room, submerge it in water, or snow, and it STILL works.
There's a NEED for people to make legitimate backups, especially in this age of 1-yr. hard drives, crappy blank discs which either fade or get scratched too easily.
Most people who BUY their media aren't going to instantly transcode it and pipe it across the intarweb to share with everybody and their dead grandma. That's stupid.
It's also stupid to treat paying customers like crooks every time a DVD is played. "NOTICE: being a crook is baad hmkay?" ...why not THANK people for BUYING the product?
....You've got some strange perspectives...
"The RIAA and MPAA all think we are thieves, but if change their mind, maybe they'll be more lenient and offer us more rights."
..it's not their PLACE to GRANT US rights! It's OUR place to have them, and demand that those we DO have are unaltered, such as fair use. Guess what else, the DMCA was passed by our GOVERNMENT, and not the associations you mention. ..Sure, it was somewhat contrived by them, but it was ENACTED by our very loving and big-brotherly gov't.
I am a proponent of fair use, and I approve of this message. |
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said by trparky:I don't condone DRM, but at least I'm not so blind that I can't see the need for it. I don't really see the need for it. Why apply restrictions to your legitimate buyers (that have DRM'ed versions) while the pirates enjoy a product without restriction? Why give more value to illegitimate users? It doesn't make economical sense imo.
It's not like DRM will magically stop copies. A copy will somehow make its way to the masses anyway.
Over time, I think more and more people will refrain from buying anything DRM, which will mean loss of sales that the content creators will again conveniently blame on piracy. |
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to trparky
said by trparky:What is it with people?!?! Content creators have the right to protect their Intellectual Property. What is it that you don't understand about that concept? They have the right! They created it! If they don't want you to play their content on your PC than it is their damn right to do so! If you made a movie and it took millions of dollars to make and suddenly you are looking at only half of that money coming back because of some little shit that is pirating your movie, wouldn't you be pissed off? Yes, that's right, you would be. So, they DRM the movie and lock you out of doing stuff with that movie. It's called ****ing economics! You would be singing a different tune if you had made a movie and you poured your blood, sweat, and tears into making it and you all of a sudden saw your movie being traded online as if its nothing more than a piece of paper. I don't condone DRM, but at least I'm not so blind that I can't see the need for it. Think that this is a victory for the masses? The cracking of this DRM? LMAO This will just make way for even more draconian DRM methods. no they do not have a right to prevent my playback choices, i buy a DVD it is now MINE to play on any device i see fit. Chevrolet doesnt tell me which interstates i can and cant drive my car on why should Hollywood be allowed to tell me which devices i can and cant play my DVDs on.
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 viperpa33sWhy Me?Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | reply to Capharnaum
said by trparky :
To make a long story short, we are fighting the battle all wrong. We should be proving that we aren't thieves and that we can be trusted.
The RIAA and MPAA all think we are thieves, but if change their mind, maybe they'll be more lenient and offer us more rights.
Why should I prove that I am not a thief? Does this mean the RIAA has to prove they are not ripping people off? When you go into business, you don't assume that all your customers are thieves. Your suppose to treat your customers with respect and provide a quality product. If your going to assume that all your customer are thieves then the RIAA shouldn't be in business.
The RIAA will always provide the least amount of product because they know people will still buy it. Why is there rights when it's a product you bought and own. Would you want General Motors limiting your rights on how you use your car? |
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"The whole point of the matter is that by defeating the DRM, that only shows that we are thieves and that they will counter it with even worse DRM."
So, I'm a thief. I can live with that. Guess what, your moral beliefs don't apply to me. I don't think what I am doing is wrong, it's my religion. And I am guaranteed the right to practice my religion. So there.
If they want to call me a thief, well, who am I to care. And guess what, 99% of the population shares MY view.
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tlcbob
join:2001-07-11
Harrisburg, PA | reply to trparky
I agree, that taking protected work is wrong. And, I am one of those Itunes supporters (.99 a song!!) who do not cheat. I also joined Sony SonicStage since I could get free songs from my United Mileage. The kicker is, I could not import the stupid songs into Itunes to play on my IPod. The whole idea of needing to use one type of file from DRM music, irriates me. I finally found a rendering tool to convert the songs for Itunes. It used DRM built into Sonic Stage, so it athenticates my rightful ownership, while allowing me to play on another player.
And what about the RIAA? Why do they get more than the artists per song?? Freakin tax!! |
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said by trparky:Think that this is a victory for the masses? The cracking of this DRM? DRM was just the kind of thing the masses were holding hands hoping for.
said by trparky:It's called ****ing economics! no its called a paradigm, and it has shifted. Read a book or two if you ever get the chance. Paradigms tend do so.
said by trparky:I don't condone DRM, said by trparky:They have the right! They created it! If they don't want you to play their content on your PC than it is their damn right to do so! yes it's a sad story when a movie only makes a hundred million. I shed 2 tears of sadness every time this atrocity happens. DRM is not evil. It has it's places (an internal company memo is a good example) Media for the masses is not. There will always be piracy. Always, Always, Always. The general public should not be treated as the lowest common denomenator. They are not criminals. DRM is a speed bump for those with monster trucks. "trying to make digital files un copyable, is like trying to make water not wet"
You sir are a moron. |
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emptywigHuh? What?Premium
join:2002-08-05
Pasadena, TX | reply to trparky
You're an idiot. |
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