Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption in Security

Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17557612 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:55:04 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:55:04 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17567453 Insder : Just in case none of you picked up on it, the swedish and germans in addition to Americans (like myself) use Linux, and I'm sure ninjas and non-ninjas alike use it. (I'm not a ninja, so the exception is right here). This is just in case nobody got my sarcasm in addition to Thasp's. :D
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said by antiserious

said by javaMan

:

I believe he was being facetious.

Are you his designated translator ?

Those statements seem pretty clear to me, and others.

You contest the person who says I wasn't being serious(which, I wasn't being), but your nick is antiserious. Am I the only one who found humor in this irony?

said by antiserious

said by thender2

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Linux is for terrorists and pirates.

Plus, no one uses linux anyway, so who cares if they can play it or not?

And the moon is made out of green cheese. :uhh:

Seriously, thanks for the chuckle. Maybe, next Christmas, you'll get a clue.

That was sarcasm, and yes, I was being facetious. I have an odd sense of humor, I was hoping people would see my cynicism for how the ignorant men and women behind mainstream copy protection and DRM schemes think. Yes, I didn't include a smiley, but I figured the statement was ridiculous enough to stand on its own, and imply that it wasn't serious without extra help.

Who cares if our stuff doesn't work there? That demographic is small in sales anyway, so we can just step on them. Who cares if they may actually want to use our service? There's no reason not to use windows.

This post, as well as my last one, was also 100-150% sarcastic. For future reference, Insder

is allowed to act as my translator in the case that someone severely misinterprets my sense of humor, until I am around to correct it. :)
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said by antiserious

said by javaMan

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After all, that's why there are smileys.

I see no smilies, do you ?

Which is why I thought there *might* be a misinterpretation. ;)

said by javaMan

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I may be wrong but I will stand by my interpretation just as I'm sure you will stand by yours; not that it is of any great importance in the grand scheme of things.

That is very gracious of you and I in no way meant to suggest that you were in some way out of line for voicing yours. :D - (note the humorous, cheerful use of the smiley meant to inspire a congenial atmosphere)
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said by javaMan

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The statements stand on their own.

I agree.

said by javaMan

:

After all, that's why there are smileys.

I see no smilies, do you ?

said by javaMan

:

I may be wrong but I will stand by my interpretation just as I'm sure you will stand by yours; not that it is of any great importance in the grand scheme of things.

I couldn't agree more.

I will add that I have no issue with you voicing your opinion, and didn't intend to come off as contentious in your regard.

:D - (note the humorous, cheerful use of the smiley)

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17566528 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:25:51 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17566505 Insder : It's Thasp, nothing he says is serious.
Besides, everyone knows Linux is for ninjas and german people (possibly swedish too).
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said by antiserious

said by javaMan

:

I believe he was being facetious.

Are you his designated translator ?

Those statements seem pretty clear to me, and others.

Why would he need a translator? The statements stand on their own. However, it should be pretty obvious that statements in written form don't always carry the same irony or sarcasm that the same statement, if spoken, would convey. After all, that's why there are smileys. I may be wrong but I will stand by my interpretation just as I'm sure you will stand by yours; not that it is of any great importance in the grand scheme of things.
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said by javaMan

:

I believe he was being facetious.

Are you his designated translator ?

Those statements seem pretty clear to me, and others.

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"The future ain't what it used to be." - Yogi Berra
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17566400 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:08:21 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17566228 javaMan :

said by antiserious

said by thender2

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Linux is for terrorists and pirates.

Plus, no one uses linux anyway, so who cares if they can play it or not?

And the moon is made out of green cheese. :uhh:

Seriously, thanks for the chuckle. Maybe, next Christmas, you'll get a clue.

I believe he was being facetious.
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Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17566228 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:40:35 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17565553 mattei : Cyberlink responds to allegations (generated in the rumor mill):
»msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/···980.aspx

muslix64 reappears:

I spent the last few days reading a lot of articles on BackupHDDVD, reading a lot of people's post/comments on various websites.

This is the time to set the record straight about this new tool and what the impacts are.

First I need to clarify some points.

Revocation:

In the AACS system, there is 4 types of revocation:
Drive revocation
Host revocation
Device revocation (with MKB)
Content revocation

There is no such thing as "title key revocation" and "volume key revocation"

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Now, here is a list of affirmations I have seen lately.

Affirmation 1: You did not break AACS, just the player

My comment: I did not break AACS, but I find a way to decrypt movies and I have bypassed all the revocation system.
Not that bad...

Affirmation 2: The BackupHDDVD circumvention tool won't last long

My comment: As long as insecure players will exist, it will last...
And insecure players will always exist, in fact you can extract keys from any player! Some players are just easier to extract the key from. Being lazy, I prefer to extract keys from an insecure player than a secure one.
And the AACS spec says "Device keys must be protected!" but they did not said that about volume key, fatal mistake!

Affirmation 3: The keys can easily be revoked.

My comment: What keys are you talking about?
As I stated before, there is no such thing as "title key revocation" and "volume key revocation". If someone publishes only volume keys, there is no way to know from which player these keys where extracted from, making the revocation system useless. They can do content revocation, but to revoke what? All movies before 2007? They can do player revocation, so I will just change the player I'm using, big deal...

So what is the AACS revocation system good at?
It is good for that scenario:
Someone post on the net, a tool that do the complete decryption automatically. Off course the program use stolen device keys from an official player. They (AACS and friends) will eventually get their hands on this program, look at the device keys and revoke them. Making that player unable to play new titles. But the author of this program can pre-extract a bunch of devices keys from different players and release them, one at the time, when the previous one have been blacklisted. The AACS spec says "Device keys must be protected!" so I suppose they put more effort in protecting these keys then the volume key in memory.

Affirmation 4: BackupHDDVD is nothing, only one person out of a million have the technical skills to extract keys.

My comment: BackupHDDVD is a proof of concept.

Picture this:
Few skilled persons can do massive volume key extraction, and send the keys to a central server on the internet. Then, they create an easy to use decryption program, with a nice GUI that do online key recovery. That way, my father and your father can backup movies.
Or they can send the keydb.cfg file on P2P networks (BitTorrent, E-Mule, etc..)
See the problem now?

Affirmation 5: You can extract keys from software player on personal computer but not on hardware player.

My comment: It's easier to extract keys from software player, but it also possible to extract keys from hardware player (the set-top box in your living room!)

Conclusion:

The attack I describe in "Affirmation 4", is not here yet, but it's coming. So I give MPAA and AACSLA a head start. Start to think what you can do about that.

To totally block this attack, they need to put different keys on every disk! Now, they only have different keys for different movies. I don't know about the manufacturing process of the disk. This solution may not be possible.

The best they can do, is doing shorter manufacturing run of a particular movie, so it would be difficult to get your hand on every "pressing" of a movie.

When they design AACS, they assume people will look for the device keys. I don't care about device keys. I do care about volume key. Having the device keys mean that you have to re-implements all the complex crypto and do the full AACS process.
I leave all this dirty job to the player and recover only the volume key.

There is 3 important things in cryptography:

1-Private key protection
2-Private key protection
3-Private key protection

Did I break AACS? I don't know. What do you think?

I'm not going to work on this anymore, I'm taking a vacation!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17565553 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:34:19 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17565519 waka : muslix64 has posted to doom9 again with BackupHDDVD V1.00. He also provides some insights as to what he has been doing. Looks interesting at the least.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17565519 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:27:28 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17564985 Hall : I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it... There's something fishy about this whole thing. Let's see how it all pans out.
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AES-128 has not been cracked. AACS has not been cracked. Approximately 150 titles now in circulation (now in circulation, not titles of the same name in circulation 6 months from now) are open to decryption via compromised title keys obtained from a poorly protected player and/or a compromised player key. This was expected and planned for. Now we all get to see how well that plan works out.

Eventually having 500+ hardware player keys find their way into the public realm is a more likely compromise than all-out defeat. I suppose death by a thousand cuts would take the form of regularly updated title key lists, with compromised player keys remaining unmentioned and valid.

Of course, in the short-term, arguing over details is mostly academic while watching an HD-DVD movie sans DRM. Pass the popcorn.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17563987 Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:30:07 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562355 astirusty :

said by thender2

:

Linux is for terrorists and pirates.

Plus, no one uses linux anyway, so who cares if they can play it or not?

I knew it all along, the U.S. Govt. is just a bunch of pirates!

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562355 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:46:07 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562341 AB :

said by ppcpunk

:

Unauthorized copying is not stealing, it's unauthorized copying and there IS a difference. . . .

I agree with you. But most of those who are not simply 'unauthorizedly copying', but flat-out stealing, are the same ones who fashion themselves "pirates", rather than the thieves that they actually are. They don't mind being a thief, they just don't want to be called a thief.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562341 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:40:48 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562286 ppcpunk : Unauthorized copying is not stealing, it's unauthorized copying and there IS a difference.

I see people saying this all the time and it makes me think they are the same people who say moronic things like "abortion is murder."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562286 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:28:36 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562156 anon : Everybody knows the moon is made out of Swiss cheese. ;) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562156 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:00:30 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562116 antiserious :

said by thender2

:

Linux is for terrorists and pirates.

Plus, no one uses linux anyway, so who cares if they can play it or not?

And the moon is made out of green cheese. :uhh:

Seriously, thanks for the chuckle. Maybe, next Christmas, you'll get a clue.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17562116 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 22:52:14 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17561881 drjim : And they've ALWAYS been greedy bastards! I just read something the other day where the RIAA now wants a cut of tee-shirt and poster sales that take place at concerts and online!
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said by Kilroy

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. . DRM makes pirates.

Thieves, you mean? (I despise the term "pirate". A euphemism to make what they are doing sound romantic, and not so illegal and immoral. None of them are sitting around on a keg of grog saying yo-ho-ho. But I digress.)
You're absolutely right. And I have no problem whatsoever in anybody using a 'work-around' to get fair use out of the CD or DVD that was legally bought and paid for, if that's what's necessary. Quite a difference though, between that and making the latest release freely available to all comers on your P2P site, and willingly and happily trafficking in such items.
IMO, if the RIAA & MPAA would just make it very simple and relatively cheap to play CD's and DVD's at your leisure, on whatever media you choose, most people would simply opt to avail themselves of that method. Why do something illegal when it's not necessary?
On the flip side, if simple, easy, fair use is in place for CD's & DVD's, make the penalties for anybody caught stealing to be such that no one in their right mind would do it.
The problem currently, as I see it anyway, is that the RIAA & MPAA don't want to allow 'fair use', yet also want to throw the book at anyone caught using a 'work-around', or downloading illegally. This is the attitude that creates the so-called "pirates" (thieves) you are referring to, as well as makes relatively law-abiding citizens such as myself consider the RIAA & MPAA to be complete asshats, and feel no sympathy whatsoever for their "cause". They're greedy bastards, is about what it amounts to.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17561819 Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:49:14 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17561795 87134275 : -
How gullible can these bigwigs in the DVD industry be to assume that nobody can crack their encryption?

The rule of physics: If it can be done, it can also be undone.
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said by AB

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Maybe someday they'll get a clue, and figure out that the ill will and wasted money is not the way to go.

You'd think. The main problem is that the end user has to have a key to unlock it. As long as the end user has information necessary to display the data it can and will be cracked. Since not giving the end user the information necessary to display the data makes the data useless there is no way for DRM to work.

The more burden that is placed on the end user to use DRM protected media will force the end user to seek out a DRM free alternative. So, DRM makes pirates.
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said by carinstaller

It also stops open source OS's and programs like Linux from being able to play HD-DVD's.

Linux is for terrorists and pirates.

Plus, no one uses linux anyway, so who cares if they can play it or not?
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It also stops open source OS's and programs like Linux from being able to play HD-DVD's. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17554640 Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:16:10 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17554536 AB :

said by drjim

:

. . "If You Build It, They Will Crack It".

That's the bottom line, right there.
Maybe someday they'll get a clue, and figure out that the ill will and wasted money is not the way to go.
We can only dream . . . .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17554536 Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:53:57 EDT Re: Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17552137 thender2 :

quote:
. Industry bigwigs such as Sony,
Disney, and Warner Brothers have adopted AACS to keep pirates from
making and selling illegal copies of their movies.

That's preposterous. It was made to prevent me from encoding a copy to play on my portable, as well as play the copy I bought. It was made to restrict the hardware and software I use to play it on.

Above all, it was made to put an unhealthy amount of control in the hands of the content creators. It was made to be a pain in the ass.

I'm glad it's gone.
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Our Rationale

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Seriously, "If You Build It, They Will Crack It".
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Hacker Cracks High-Def DVD Encryption System
David Garrett, newsfactor.com

Sat Dec 30, 2:25 AM ET

The movie industry may rue the day it challenged hackers to break its
new encryption system for high-def DVDs, claiming it was bulletproof.
The day after Christmas, a hacker known only as Muslix64 posted a hack
to a Doom 9 forum that appears to shoot holes in their claim.
The hack consists of a program, BackupHDDVD, and a set of encryption
keys that would allow users to decrypt, and thus copy, high-definition
movies protected by the Advanced Access Content System (AACS), such as
Full Metal Jacket, The Last Samurai, and The Fugitive.

AACS was designed to replace the aging Content Scrambling System
(CSS) used on older, non-high-def DVDs. Industry bigwigs such as Sony,
Disney, and Warner Brothers have adopted AACS to keep pirates from
making and selling illegal copies of their movies.

MORE
Hacker cracks hi-def DVD encryption - news.yahoo.com

See the video here at YouTube

Muslix64's post at Doom9 forum
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