Thespis
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.
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join:2004-08-03
Keller, TX
| reply to rahvin112
Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor
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The war in Iraq is 2 billion per day.
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versus 300 billion plus poured into Iraq
By your calculations, we've only been in Iraq 150 days or so... |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| reply to guitarzan
said by guitarzan  :What's the difference between a bucket of chit and a liberal.? Why the bucket of course  BTW: The United States of America does not start wars, it ENDS them. If all these third world shit hole countries were able to stand up for themselves, America would have no need to be called in to act as world policeman and put the fires out. How old are you 12? if i am, you must be 2. did america end the vietnam war? is the iraq war "ended"? anything going on in darfur, israel, or really anywhere else since 1950 that we've had a positive influence on? maybe korea, but the republican administration has stuffed that in the chit can for the past 6+ years and it's ready to blow.
you, are a moron.
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bmn
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join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to guitarzan
said by guitarzan :Any irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill, were due to Democratic decisions for 40 years, compared to 12 Republican years. 40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse. I'd contend its both parties faults... When you consider that the people on the Hill all have childish mentalities, neither party comes out clean. They both sell out to their own little special interests and friends and both waste money on things like taking trips on our dime, etc. etc. etc. The worst is the stupidity of increasing spending and decreasing taxes... Great way to run up a record deficit (what the last eight years of Republican control have netted the nation financially). Both parties tend to spend money like it is burning a damn hole in their pocket.
Republicans and Democrats... Same shit, different stink.
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bmn
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join:2001-03-15
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| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :There's no Social Security Fund or any other special fund. All the money the government collects goes into the same pool for spending. It just happens that the amount of money being collected for social security happens to be more than what is needed to pay for the program, so the balance is spent on other things. Which is essentially the same as taking the money collected and earmarked for the program and spending it elsewhere... My post should have read "OUT of social security funds"...
Either way, the congress has been spending money collected that is suppose to be spent only on social security. The program is where it is because they've dipped into those funds over the years.
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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| reply to jig
What's the difference between a bucket of chit and a liberal.?
Why the bucket of course
BTW: The United States of America does not start wars, it ENDS them. If all these third world shit hole countries were able to stand up for themselves, America would have no need to be called in to act as world policeman and put the fires out.
How old are you 12?
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Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA | reply to guitarzan
no, you're a crock full of shit. |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA | reply to jig
That's a crock of chit and you're full of it. |
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jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| reply to guitarzan
said by guitarzan :40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse. yeah, it wasn't the various wars the republicans started in those 40 years that drained more from the national budget than any other group or collection of programs the democrats supported, creating the situation where money, what little could be squeezed from the budget, had to come from somewhere to feed the poor, educate the masses, and provide for every other basic national (not international) need.
what a crock of bull. the repubs spend all the money, run up the debt, then blame the demos in between wars for raising taxes, paying off the debt, and funding necessary programs for national health. who are the spenders? the demos just clean up the messes the republican enron backers make.
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guest77
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What in the world are you talking about. The simple fact that it has a totally seperate payroll deduction is proof it is supposed to be a self-contained system. |
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guitarzan
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join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
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| reply to bmn
said by bmn :The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... Social security has been put into its situation by irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill. Congress does control the run-away spending and rampant tax increases of this Country. However, the Republicans controlled Congress the last 12 years and during those 12 years the American people received 2 tax cuts (I got mine). Prior to Republicans gaining control of Congress, under the liberal tax & spend Clintonista regime, the Democrats held Congress for the past 40 years before 1994.
Any irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill, were due to Democratic decisions for 40 years, compared to 12 Republican years.
40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse.
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Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. |
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rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :said by jig :Earmarks, and bridges to nowhere are costing us more every year than any "war" we're engaged in. For this, I put the blame squarely in Bush 43's court. He had the veto pen for 6 years and didn't have the nuts to use it against his own guys in Congress, so they got just as out of control has the Democrats that came before them. Shame on them for it. The federal transportation budget for the entire nation is 6 billion dollars over 8 years. The war in Iraq is 2 billion per day. Anyone that says transportation spending is more dangerous to our economy than that stupid money pit of a war has their head in a dark smelly spot. The fact is transportation, for every dollar spent creates 3 more in the economy. This money is poured directly into our economy, unlike a foreign war that dumps BILLIONS into a pit from whence it will never be seen again. In addition transportation spending creates infrastructure that benefits our economy more than just about any other spending versus 300 billion plus poured into Iraq with NO return. So don't ever EVER say that war isn't the worst thing that has ever happened to our economy because it IS. |
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nozzer
join:2004-06-25
Waltham, MA | reply to scrummie02
Actually the UK has jumped from 12th to about 4th in a very short space of time, because of massive price cuts. And DSL is now available to 99.6% of the population. |
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ross
join:2000-08-16 | reply to jig
Hey jig, nice SIG! Great quote! |
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Sr Tech
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join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to T1 Rocky
You have to look on both worlds of telecom.
Marketing pushes what they want, in reality engineering and construction can only work as fast as they can. I know it sounds like the little train that could but it seems Verizon is more concentrated on marketing than actual build out. I can see the frustration when marketing says one thing but operations and engineering actually says "what the f are they thinking". But that is life in the real world of telecom. |
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fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | reply to footballdude
And what does this have to do with the Ex Verizon guy? |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to scrummie02
said by scrummie02 :The only problem with the two sides butting heads is problems that need immediate attention like immigration reform and medical care costs will never get solved. They weren't getting solved any way. The "fence" they want to build never got funded (I'm more in favor of mine fields myself, but I digress) and any kind of health care reform will never be seen. Part of the problem with health care costs is illegal immigration. Ever go to a hospital emergency room on any given night? You better bring your English-Spanish dictionary with you, if you plan on making conversation with your fellow patrons. They KNOW the ER can't turn them away, so they go there for things like the common cold and stupid stuff. You and I pay for it in the end.
I totally agree with you. Until people wise up and realize that just because their guy brings home the "bacon" doesn't mean he deserves re election.
Me, I vote my beliefs. I don't care how many $$ you bring to my state.
I sure do hope the GOP did learn their lesson. As it stands today, I don't see much hope for us as a whole the way we're headed. The border is a sieve, it's costing us millions. No one in congress seems to want to do anything.
Everyone in power is just so damn selfish. Of course, so are their constituents, so I guess they're doing a good job as far as they're concerned...
It is sad....
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scrummie02
Bentley
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
| reply to N3OGH
very well said.
The GOP has learned their lesson....hopefully.
The only problem with the two sides butting heads is problems that need immediate attention like immigration reform and medical care costs will never get solved. It turns out these issues are very important to most Americans...but since when have the parties been for the people huh?
Yes pork-barreling is a problem and needs to be solved, but it's up to the voters of the state to get them out and let's face it, no one in Alaska is going to vote out Stevens...he brings home tons of money...so does Byrd for that matter.
So until the states that vote these idiots in wise up, we're going to have pork spending to the likes we've never seen continue....now, would you like a side of bacon at dinner tonight?
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scrummie02
Bentley
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
2 edits | reply to T1 Rocky
being 13th has a little something to do with the vast amounts of land we have to cover to implement broadband. With the UK ranking 12th I believe, I think they have more problems than we do.
Of course companies are going to deploy where they think broadband is profitable, that's why they're a company, they want to make profits and make money, just like most people do.
I would like to see points that make a government run broadband provider a good idea. Most people don't want the NSA or anyone else monitoring their email/web transactions yet want the government to step in and regulate or lay down broadband itself....You "think" your privacy is violated now? Giving the government power to control the backbone of a proposed state run broadband initiative will give them all the more power/ease to "spy on it's citizens".
People would be best served if the government granted low interest SBA loans to people looking to run fiber or deploy broadband to certain areas and let small businesses run the show, not an inefficient broken down government machine...
That being said, do you want to pay to lay down fiber in an area in the sticks where 10 percent of the population care enough of broadband to get it, with even less being able to afford it?
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to jig
said by jig :if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts. Wow, and along comes the 3rd troll. That would be you, my friend.
Social security was in trouble LONG before Bush 43 ever became President. In fact, long before Clinton or Bush 41 became President.
When Congress decided to use the money in the Social Security "trust fund" to offset deficit spending, the jig was up. That happened long ago (back in the 70's I believe). So blaming it on "Bush" and his tax cuts is at best, misinformed. At worst it's hyperbole.
Earmarks, and bridges to nowhere are costing us more every year than any "war" we're engaged in. For this, I put the blame squarely in Bush 43's court. He had the veto pen for 6 years and didn't have the nuts to use it against his own guys in Congress, so they got just as out of control has the Democrats that came before them. Shame on them for it.
Now that we have a divided government, the American people can breathe a collective sigh of relief as far as their wallets go.
Bottom line: Government that governs the least governs best. Since the clowns in the legislative branch will be constantly butting heads with the clowns in the executive branch, very little will get done over the next 2 years.
Translation: They're spend less of MY money over then next 2 years. I say good.....
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scrummie02
Bentley
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join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
| reply to jig
tax cuts are good...it enables you to have more money to put towards "before tax" benefits...like your retirement.
I know better how to spend/allocate my money than the government does...
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