kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| reply to T1 Rocky
Re: Disgruntled Ex-Employee and former Competitor
T1 Rocky - The Government is for the rich, by the rich, and of the rich. Just now figuring that out?
How about the new morons that took over Congress today? 2 years of Gridlock while Social Security goes down the drain, a few million more illegals cross the border, and more and more people have NO health care.
All Hail the Democrats! Just as crooked as the Republicans. With Republicans, at least you know who they are for. Democrats? I have no clue.  |
|
jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| wow two trolls on one go.
if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts.
in any event, with how many grains of salt should we take you?
--
A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin |
|
footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO
| said by jig  :if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts. What does any other spending have to do with social security? It was supposed to be a self sustaining system. Are you admitting it doesn't work and needs money from the general fund to stay alive?
--
What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter |
|
bmn
? ? ?
Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| said by footballdude :What does any other spending have to do with social security? It was supposed to be a self sustaining system. Are you admitting it doesn't work and needs money from the general fund to stay alive? The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... Social security has been put into its situation by irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill.
--
Prove it... |
|
pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by bmn :The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... There's no Social Security Fund or any other special fund. All the money the government collects goes into the same pool for spending. It just happens that the amount of money being collected for social security happens to be more than what is needed to pay for the program, so the balance is spent on other things.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk. |
|
jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| reply to footballdude
said by footballdude :What does any other spending have to do with social security? It was supposed to be a self sustaining system. Are you admitting it doesn't work and needs money from the general fund to stay alive? who told you social security was supposed to be a self sustaining system? the endowment has to change with the burden, various scoops have been taken out of it, and debt payment is also a line item in the national budget (though you wouldn't expect a republican to know/care).
--
A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin |
|
scrummie02
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
| reply to jig
tax cuts are good...it enables you to have more money to put towards "before tax" benefits...like your retirement.
I know better how to spend/allocate my money than the government does...
--
"I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals." - Matt Stone
»www.reason.com/ |
|
N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to jig
said by jig :if social security fails, it'll be because of the gargantuan war debt run up by the republicans, topped off with the tax cuts. Wow, and along comes the 3rd troll. That would be you, my friend.
Social security was in trouble LONG before Bush 43 ever became President. In fact, long before Clinton or Bush 41 became President.
When Congress decided to use the money in the Social Security "trust fund" to offset deficit spending, the jig was up. That happened long ago (back in the 70's I believe). So blaming it on "Bush" and his tax cuts is at best, misinformed. At worst it's hyperbole.
Earmarks, and bridges to nowhere are costing us more every year than any "war" we're engaged in. For this, I put the blame squarely in Bush 43's court. He had the veto pen for 6 years and didn't have the nuts to use it against his own guys in Congress, so they got just as out of control has the Democrats that came before them. Shame on them for it.
Now that we have a divided government, the American people can breathe a collective sigh of relief as far as their wallets go.
Bottom line: Government that governs the least governs best. Since the clowns in the legislative branch will be constantly butting heads with the clowns in the executive branch, very little will get done over the next 2 years.
Translation: They're spend less of MY money over then next 2 years. I say good.....
--
Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy |
|
scrummie02
Bentley
join:2004-04-16
Arlington, VA
| very well said.
The GOP has learned their lesson....hopefully.
The only problem with the two sides butting heads is problems that need immediate attention like immigration reform and medical care costs will never get solved. It turns out these issues are very important to most Americans...but since when have the parties been for the people huh?
Yes pork-barreling is a problem and needs to be solved, but it's up to the voters of the state to get them out and let's face it, no one in Alaska is going to vote out Stevens...he brings home tons of money...so does Byrd for that matter.
So until the states that vote these idiots in wise up, we're going to have pork spending to the likes we've never seen continue....now, would you like a side of bacon at dinner tonight?
--
"I hate conservatives, but I really hate liberals." - Matt Stone
»www.reason.com/ |
|
N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
·Verizon FIOS
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by scrummie02 :The only problem with the two sides butting heads is problems that need immediate attention like immigration reform and medical care costs will never get solved. They weren't getting solved any way. The "fence" they want to build never got funded (I'm more in favor of mine fields myself, but I digress) and any kind of health care reform will never be seen. Part of the problem with health care costs is illegal immigration. Ever go to a hospital emergency room on any given night? You better bring your English-Spanish dictionary with you, if you plan on making conversation with your fellow patrons. They KNOW the ER can't turn them away, so they go there for things like the common cold and stupid stuff. You and I pay for it in the end.
I totally agree with you. Until people wise up and realize that just because their guy brings home the "bacon" doesn't mean he deserves re election.
Me, I vote my beliefs. I don't care how many $$ you bring to my state.
I sure do hope the GOP did learn their lesson. As it stands today, I don't see much hope for us as a whole the way we're headed. The border is a sieve, it's costing us millions. No one in congress seems to want to do anything.
Everyone in power is just so damn selfish. Of course, so are their constituents, so I guess they're doing a good job as far as they're concerned...
It is sad....
--
Never ask what sort of a computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him? -Tom Clancy |
|
fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20 | reply to footballdude
And what does this have to do with the Ex Verizon guy? |
|
ross
join:2000-08-16 | reply to jig
Hey jig, nice SIG! Great quote! |
|
rahvin112
join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT
| reply to N3OGH
said by N3OGH :said by jig :Earmarks, and bridges to nowhere are costing us more every year than any "war" we're engaged in. For this, I put the blame squarely in Bush 43's court. He had the veto pen for 6 years and didn't have the nuts to use it against his own guys in Congress, so they got just as out of control has the Democrats that came before them. Shame on them for it. The federal transportation budget for the entire nation is 6 billion dollars over 8 years. The war in Iraq is 2 billion per day. Anyone that says transportation spending is more dangerous to our economy than that stupid money pit of a war has their head in a dark smelly spot. The fact is transportation, for every dollar spent creates 3 more in the economy. This money is poured directly into our economy, unlike a foreign war that dumps BILLIONS into a pit from whence it will never be seen again. In addition transportation spending creates infrastructure that benefits our economy more than just about any other spending versus 300 billion plus poured into Iraq with NO return. So don't ever EVER say that war isn't the worst thing that has ever happened to our economy because it IS. |
|
guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| reply to bmn
said by bmn :The problem is that the Congress has been taking money OUT of the social security fund and dropping little IOUs into the fund for years... Social security has been put into its situation by irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill. Congress does control the run-away spending and rampant tax increases of this Country. However, the Republicans controlled Congress the last 12 years and during those 12 years the American people received 2 tax cuts (I got mine). Prior to Republicans gaining control of Congress, under the liberal tax & spend Clintonista regime, the Democrats held Congress for the past 40 years before 1994.
Any irresponsible policy making and out of control deficits on the Hill, were due to Democratic decisions for 40 years, compared to 12 Republican years.
40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse.
--
Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. |
|
guest77
| reply to jig
What in the world are you talking about. The simple fact that it has a totally seperate payroll deduction is proof it is supposed to be a self-contained system. |
|
jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA
| reply to guitarzan
said by guitarzan :40 years of Democrats Versus 12 years of Republicans, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out the Democrats mishandled, misspent more Social security funds than the Republicans, who the Democrats accuse. yeah, it wasn't the various wars the republicans started in those 40 years that drained more from the national budget than any other group or collection of programs the democrats supported, creating the situation where money, what little could be squeezed from the budget, had to come from somewhere to feed the poor, educate the masses, and provide for every other basic national (not international) need.
what a crock of bull. the repubs spend all the money, run up the debt, then blame the demos in between wars for raising taxes, paying off the debt, and funding necessary programs for national health. who are the spenders? the demos just clean up the messes the republican enron backers make.
--
A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin |
|
guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA | That's a crock of chit and you're full of it. |
|
jig
join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA | no, you're a crock full of shit. |
|
guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA
·epix
| What's the difference between a bucket of chit and a liberal.?
Why the bucket of course 
BTW: The United States of America does not start wars, it ENDS them. If all these third world shit hole countries were able to stand up for themselves, America would have no need to be called in to act as world policeman and put the fires out.
How old are you 12?
--
Its the Democrats fault. In fact it is the Speaker of House Polosi fault. Everything is the Democrats fault. Everything. Just like Everything was the Republicans Fault when they were in power. |
|
bmn
? ? ?
Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus
| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :There's no Social Security Fund or any other special fund. All the money the government collects goes into the same pool for spending. It just happens that the amount of money being collected for social security happens to be more than what is needed to pay for the program, so the balance is spent on other things. Which is essentially the same as taking the money collected and earmarked for the program and spending it elsewhere... My post should have read "OUT of social security funds"...
Either way, the congress has been spending money collected that is suppose to be spent only on social security. The program is where it is because they've dipped into those funds over the years.
--
Prove it... |
|
