Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | IE vs FF
This is just like when websites won't let non IE users in, even though their site will run perfectly well on other browsers. |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL
| Norton 2006 and Norton 2007 deals with Spyware, Adware, Worms, etc.
Even COX HSI gives you FREE McAfee Virus, Spam, Adware, Firewall software.
Microsoft can't even put out an OS that doesn't require 500 updates.
My new laptop had XP Pro and needed 54 updates! 54! Ummm, couldn't they put all that crap on the computer BUILT on December 26th??? Oh, I'm sure HP is to blame. HP did have 2 updates to its own software from June 2006. 
The reason I plunked down $1599 for the new laptop: VISTA!  |
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jc1350
join:2004-09-23
2 edits | reply to Maxo
from the news post...
"But they shouldn't complain when MS moves on to other OS's. It's called progress." Microsoft had announced Windows 2000 would no longer be supported two months ago"
There's a difference between "no longer supporting an OS" and purposely BREAKING it or the software that runs on it.
If there was a technical reason why it wouldn't run, then it'd be no big deal, but all it does is check to see what OS is running then it refuses to run. I call shenanigans! |
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Sabre
Di relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17
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| That's a good point.
To me, "unsupported" means "We'll release stuff. We won't test it on this platform, we don't know if it'll work, we didn't even think about this platform, because it's unsupported. We have no idea WTF it will do to this *unsupported* platform. Play with it however you want, but don't come crying to us if it messes your system up, because as we told you, we don't support that platform any more. You're on your own, friends."
This seems more like "let's just set a kill bit so it can't possibly run on this old system."
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it seems to me that Microsoft is not paying attention to PR here. Upgrading to a newer OS may not be a bad idea, but this is not a wise way of encouraging people to do it. (No, I don't have any better ideas. But those who do are free to contribute them.)
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | reply to kyramilan
Re: IE vs FF
um, you dont get Mcafee for free. You get their super junky AV for free.
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cahiatt
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Smyrna, GA
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1 edit | reply to kyramilan
said by kyramilan 
The reason I plunked down $1599 for the new laptop: VISTA!
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Ouch... The $199 Acer laptop I picked up at Microcenter came with a free Vista upgrade voucher. Didn't know it was worth that much.... |
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kyramilan
join:2006-11-26
Pensacola, FL | I have a Sony Laptop. |
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rgillis70
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join:2002-12-30
Herndon, VA
| reply to Sabre
Re: from the news post...
But if...and obviously this is not that case...but if they allowed it to run and simply said we do not support - how many calls and complaints would they get when the people call over an issue and they are told, that does not work, upgrade.
They got grief over stopping support for Win 98. An more grief over 2000. Some want support for life for free.
Personally, there is rarely a way not to make stuff run when it is said not to. Heck we even got FPSE2000 to install and run on a 2003 Server, though MS said it is utterly impossible to do so. |
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stomp357
join:2003-04-13
Lake Charles, LA
·Suddenlink
| reply to jc1350
[BQUOTE=jc1350
If there was a technical reason why it wouldn't run, then it'd be no big deal, but all it does is check to see what OS is running then it refuses to run. I call shenanigans!
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SHENANIGANS! Now pull out the billy-clubs, and wack-a MS Execs. knees. |
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Pirate515
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
| reply to rgillis70
said by rgillis70 :But if...and obviously this is not that case...but if they allowed it to run and simply said "we do not support" - how many calls and complaints would they get when the people call over an issue and they are told, that does not work, upgrade. They got grief over stopping support for Win 98. And more grief over 2000. Some want support for life for free. If that's the case, what's the big deal with turning those callers down politely? It's simply a matter of repeating verbally what is already written in requirements section. IMO, ignorant users who don't bother reading documentation before downloading and using software will end up calling Microsoft b*tching and complaining either way: whether the software refuses to install or whether it actually installs, but then does not work properly. In either case, Microsoft will tell them off in the following fashion: according to documentation that we put out, we have specifically stated that your OS is not supported, so p*ss off.
I personally think that Microsoft chose the lesser of two evils so that they won't be getting any heat from those who have an urge to install it on Win2000 box and end up hosing their OS. That way, to those who call and complain about the fact that the software won't install, Microsoft will just answer: "See, we are the nice guys here. Since we wrote this software in a way that it will only install on the OS's that are officially supported, we are looking out for your best interest by preventing you from installing it and bringing your OS down. Now, can we interest you in a copy of WinXP?" (trying to make some money while they are at it won't hurt).
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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join:2001-07-12
Warwick, NY
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| reply to jc1350
said by jc1350 :"But they shouldn't complain when MS moves on to other OS's. It's called progress." Microsoft had announced Windows 2000 would no longer be supported two months ago" There's a difference between "no longer supporting an OS" and purposely BREAKING it or the software that runs on it. If there was a technical reason why it wouldn't run, then it'd be no big deal, but all it does is check to see what OS is running then it refuses to run. I call shenanigans! Of course, that comment was take out of context here....it was addressed to the OP saying why he didn't want to upgrade and another off topic complaint that this is a "MS tactic to force people to upgrade". If people are going to quote, they should make it clear what the quote was about.
The OP in that thread was using the old beta version of WD, which expired, and then tried to install the final version. The final version is NOT supported on W2K:
Windows Defender: System requirements
Published: February 13, 2006 | Updated: October 23, 2006
Minimum system requirements for Windows Defender:
Personal computer with an Intel Pentium 233-megahertz (MHz) or higher processor; Pentium III recommended.
Operating system: Windows XP Service Pack 2 or later, or Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 or later.....
»www.microsoft.com/athome/securit···req.mspx
Just because old betas "worked on W2K" was no guarantee that the final would work.
As a way has been figured out to force it to work, the entire discussion is a moot point anyway and hardly seems "news" worthy.
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| reply to rgillis70
Or instead of having the disabling function give it a popup saying that it hasn't been tested and is not supported for Windows 2000.
As others have mentioned...this isn't lack of "support" it's Microsoft ACTIVELY OBSOLETING an older OS in hopes of forcing users to upgrade when it is obviously not necessary. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Maxo
Re: IE vs FF
this is like DX10 not working with XP, on the code side they are 100% compatible however MS has big plans for DX10(such as the PC release of Halo 2) which they know will drive sales of Vista.
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Kylemaul
Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x
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join:2001-03-30
North Port, FL
clubs:
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| reply to La Luna
Re: from the news post...
said by La Luna :Windows Defender: System requirements Published: February 13, 2006 | Updated: October 23, 2006 Minimum system requirements for Windows Defender: Personal computer with an Intel Pentium 233-megahertz (MHz) or higher processor; Pentium III recommended. Operating system: Windows XP Service Pack 2 or later, or Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 or later..... » www.microsoft.com/athome/securit···req.mspxJust because old betas "worked on W2K" was no guarantee that the final would work. As a way has been figured out to force it to work, the entire discussion is a moot point anyway and hardly seems "news" worthy. LOL!
A proggy written for a machine that can only handle Win98 but needs to run XP. (I'm too lazy to look up the machine requirements for XP, but I'm willing to bet they're higher standards than those you listed for WD)
News worthy: one person's prattle is another's aria! 
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Trel
Good Evening
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join:2002-10-08
Hillsborough, NJ | reply to kyramilan
Re: IE vs FF
I feel for you. |
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sivran
Long Live The Suite
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join:2003-09-15
Arlington, TX
clubs: | reply to Pirate515
Re: from the news post...
Because it costs money to even tell them, "not supported." That's why. |
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| reply to La Luna
It's newsworthy that Microsoft is FORCING obsolescence of a great and still relevant operating system. They don't want to support it, fine. They don't want to write updates, fine. But adding an OS lockout that is obviously unnecessary simply to prod users to XP or Vista is lame.
If there was something compelling in XP or Vista perhaps MS wouldn't have to resort to these tactics. |
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GMF
@gov.au | reply to Maxo
Re: IE vs FF
I wonder if the car manufacturers are looking at this. GM's next car could automatically stop working following release of a new model. What a wonderful idea... |
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