moonpuppy
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1 edit | Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... nuff said.
The cable companies are partially correct in that you get more channels but you don't have a choice whether or not to accept them as part of your package. | |
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... said by moonpuppy  :nuff said. The cable companies are partially correct in that you get more channels CRAP but you don't have a choice whether or not to accept tham as part of your package. I fix4 U 
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| said by moonpuppy :nuff said. The cable companies are partially correct in that you get more channels but you don't have a choice whether or not to accept tham as part of your package. I get more channels? Thats a new one. Every year my digital cable package through comcrap gets more and more channels PULLED from the basic lineup, and inserts more advertising channels! WOO! Now I have 30+ channels selling me new nose hair trimmers! | |
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... said by Mchart :said by moonpuppy :nuff said. The cable companies are partially correct in that you get more channels but you don't have a choice whether or not to accept tham as part of your package. I get more channels? Thats a new one. Every year my digital cable package through comcrap gets more and more channels PULLED from the basic lineup, and inserts more advertising channels! WOO! Now I have 30+ channels selling me new nose hair trimmers! And don't forget the ad in the channel guide!
I'm paying those bums $100/mo and I'm stuck looking at ads in the channel guide 
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... said by N3OGH :I'm paying those bums $100/mo And there's the problem. Until you stop paying those bums $100 a month they'll keep treating you like one.
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| said by Mchart :selling me new nose hair trimmers! Speaking of which. *cough* | |
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... Actually prices may have gone down when you compare quantity and quality of channels. Back in the nineties, I used to pay $84 dollars for my Time Warner analog cable service. For that price, I had a 3 TV hook up, Basic Plus, 2 premium channels (HBO and Showtime) and 2 PPV channels. In all I had about 80 channels, but quite a few of those channels were community access channels, C-Span, shopping network and other public access networks. All in all, out of 80 channels about 60 of them had the type of programming that the average person and family watched. Now for that $84 (more or less) I can get 180 digital channels with about 15 premium channels, 10 PPV channels, video on demand plus many music radio channels. Today you are getting more bang for your buck; so, it is essentially a price decrease. | |
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... If you get 15 premium channels for $84 you're stealing the service...or know someone at Time Warner.
The only bang any cable customer is getting is the one from behind, as they are bent over.
The NCTA is the cable industry equivalent of the RIAA. They represent both the MSOs and the program suppliers. There is no incentive for them to ever even consider lowering the costs and (*gasp*) the rates charged. So, they just artificially jack up the "costs" while winking in the general direction of Congress.
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... said by RadioDoc :The NCTA is the cable industry equivalent of the RIAA. They represent both the MSOs and the program suppliers. That, of course, is largely because the MSOs have their hands in networks... (This is most obvious with Time Warner, but Comcast and most of the other big MSOs have their hands in programming, too.)
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join:2000-05-11 | Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... Yep, and that's why the usual excuse of "higher program costs" is a shill. | |
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| said by N3OGH :Problem is, I don't watch %99 of those channels to start with. Let's see.. Discovery History G4 (for Star Trek TNG reruns) FX FNC CNN Headline The Weather Channel Local networks. Now you're gonna need Sci-Fi channel for Enterprise re-runs starting tonight! | |
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... said by viperlmw :said by N3OGH :Problem is, I don't watch %99 of those channels to start with. Let's see.. Discovery History G4 (for Star Trek TNG reruns) FX FNC CNN Headline The Weather Channel Local networks. Now you're gonna need Sci-Fi channel for Enterprise re-runs starting tonight! For real? I saw G4 was going to start running that "Trek 2.0" thing with the TNG re runs, and I have no interest in that.
Guess I'll have to change my DVR settings...
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| If you were to be allowed to go ala carte, pricing would be higher, and your channel selection would go down the tubes. Content delivery may change this a bit, but for cable and satellite, you are stuck for now.
I'm not going to re-type it, so here is my last response to "ala carte channels": »Re: That Didn't Take Long!
For instance..on DISH Network, the Baby Channel is an ala carte subscription channel that is $9.99 a month, if bundled with other ala carte subscription channels that are more widely desired then it would drive the price down as there would be more subscribers to cover the cost that the cable/sat provider is paying.
Dang it, I said that I wasn't going to re-type it again.. At least it's worded a bit differently.
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join:2005-03-26 | Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... It sounds like you are assuming that the cable/sat company pays a fixed price for the channel. That is not correct in my experience the price paid is calculated based on the number of subscribers. | |
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... This is an assumption on my part, but an educated assumption:
Let's imagine for a moment and use fake numbers:
The cost that the cable/sat provider pays to say, ABC for example, is based on blocks of subscribers, not per subscriber so say the cable company is paying:
$100 per month for 0-1000 subscribers
$200 per month for 1001-2000 subscribers
$300 per month for 2001-3000 subscribers
etc.
If you have the channels bundled up and there are 1000 people "paying" the monthly cost even though they don't watch the channel, it is being spread across the group of subscribers versus if only 500 people are "paying" the monthly cost. The cost to the cable/cat provider just doubled (and the cost is passed on to other subscribers that are not paying for those channels..you expect the cable/sat company to pay the difference ). The cost that the cable/sat provider is paying versus the cost that the subscriber base is paying is not linear.
I realize that the above numbers are not correct, but it gives a good idea of how broad based bundled cable/sat tv offerings benefit every subscriber. The same goes for obscure channels that you may watch that others do not. They help pay for you to be able to watch that channel.
Clear as mud?
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... That all works in a macro sense that there are more channels available being subsidized by lots of eyeballs that never ever see them.
However...
You can't take that and turn it backwards to say that because there are 500 channels now the cost is lower. If you only watch 10 of them and only have watched 10 of them since 1996 and your bill has increased 193% in the last 10 years, your cost per channel watched has certainly not gone down.
Otherwise the NCTA could use 950 throw-away channels to claim that even with a 100% rate increase cable TV rates are now only 10% of that when there were only 50 channels.
Even Enron would have balked at that math.
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| said by moonpuppy :nuff said. The cable companies are partially correct in that you get more channels but you don't have a choice whether or not to accept tham as part of your package. Yes, I am paying for all those Spanish language channels; non-stop commercials channels; 50 music channels; 5 versions of PBS channels(all showing the same programs); music video channels; the Soap Opera channels; and 15 kids channels. None of which I ever watch. So maybe the price per channel is down, but so are the number of worthless channels that only 1% of the viewers ever look at.
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... Ahh, but..
"If PBS wouldn't do it, who would?"
No one you lunkheads, no one watches it!
The local PBS station here in Philly is "WHYY".
I say exactly: Why?????
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Glen Burnie, MD | Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... 500 channels and nothing to watch.
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| oh I love watching american cable companies advertise cause its stupid. Wow get triple play Comcast for $33/month each (so $99/month at the end of it).
In a very faded almost overscanned bottom of the commerical it says only for the first year and it does not say full price. f*** that I keep my dish thank you very much (which is full of this nonsense cable co ads btw). I seriously wonder what the regular price is (which I bet is what the FCC uses... no I am not glorifying the FCC either, it has its own problems... you could always have the rogue style CRTC which needs a bitch slap in parlament... ). | |
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crischen
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Anderson, IN
| Give me a la carte. I probably only watch 15 channels.
Local NBC/ABC/CBS/FOX Affiliates (Don't watch CW and actually only watch Boston Legal on ABC.)
Sci-Fi
Food Network
Discovery
USA
Cartoon Network
TBS/TNT
A&E
History
Comedy Central
SpikeTV (For Star Trek)
My Cable Company (Insight) used to offer three packages for their digital boxes at $5 each, but recently (Nov.) combined them into one $12 pack and added about a dozen new channels nobody will watch. I called and cancelled it and told them I wasn't going to pay it til they added Boomerang.
I mean, yes, you can argue the per channel cost is lower (because of must carries that cost nothing getting averaged in), but 90% of the channels are garbage.
Someone mentioned ESPN costing $2.50... to be honest, if the channels I watch (that aren't free must carries) were that much, I'd still save money.
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| Re: Figures don't lie but you can lie with figures...... said by crischen :Give me a la carte. I probably only watch 15 channels. It's funny. Some of the same people who yell "let the market decide" are the same people who don't want ala carte pricing.
I'd venture to say that a good portion of the channels out there would not survive if they weren't packaged wth other channels. Maybe they need to charge more for ads and pay their way onto a cable system. | |
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