David
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Re: [Line Problem] Cant upgrade but im close enough
I would try it at the NID/SNI/MPOE (gray test jack) at the interface, and re-run the above test. Least then the NID/SNI/MPOE would be where you would meet the AT&T network before hitting your own IW.
I would give that a shot and see what you get, if it's really that close then this test should differ a great deal (capacity going lower, noise margin increases, etc. etc.). |
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imsystem
join:2004-04-02
Red Bluff, CA | so if i test at nid and the capacity drops and noise margin raises i have a problem with in home wiring. but if it stays the same its a problem on the outside line. |
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David
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| said by imsystem  :so if i test at nid and the capacity drops and noise margin raises i have a problem with in home wiring. but if it stays the same its a problem on the outside line. That would be correct for the first part, 2nd part could be distance and other issues. That the field tech would be able to determine further.
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imsystem
join:2004-04-02
Red Bluff, CA
1 edit | thanks for all the help and info guys. I posted in the direct forum with all this info asking about the bridge and getting it removed. |
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imsystem
join:2004-04-02
Red Bluff, CA
1 edit | said by d_l :If you have multiple inside phone wires all connecting at the NID, then your inside wiring is making short bridged taps too. Ideally DSL needs a continuous wire pair from the DSLAM to your modem without any branches or stubs off that one pair. Each time the wire branches, you have another bridged tap. I overlooked this part when i read your reply. I did notice when i opened the box to see were the test port was that there was 2 separate phone lines run to the line 1 side. One line went one way powering all the phones in the home. The second one went into the computer room wall jack powering one phone and modem. So that might be the bridge. If so how do i tie in both those lines without causing a bridge. |
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NormanS
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2 edits | 
DSL Splitter at the NID. |
If your NID box is more like mine, you get a DSL filter like mine. You move the wire pair running to the telephones from the NID to the splitter, attaching them to the "Voice" pair of terminals in the splitter. You move the wire pair running to the modem from the NID to the "DATA" pair of terminals in the splitter. You take about one foot of CAT 3 phone cable and use the Line 1 pair (blue/blue-white trace) to connect the pair in the NID to the "Network" pair in the splitter.
See the screen shot for details.
P.S. Here is a link to a source:
»www.hometech.com/techwire/dsl.html
Last two items on the page. One unit made by Suttle, the other made by Corning.
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imsystem
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Red Bluff, CA
2 edits | I am not quit understanding what your saying. My box is bigger then those and has spots for 2 separate phone lines. Yet only line one is hooked up now not line 2. I don't have the spare money to buy new boxes to mount outside like that. There has got to be another way to remove the two lines coming from iw to box to make 1. Maybe tomorrow when i am out at box ill take pictures of the set up.
Another thing i noticed was there was only 2 wires each the red and green hooked up to the nid from my iw. Should all 4 be hooked up.
ADDED
i decided to check the other phone jacks filters. 1 had the phone hooked into the data side and 1 had not filter. So i changed the one and added filter to other and my results went up for max
Downstream Maxrate (Estimated): 3464
Upstream Maxrate (Estimated): 690
Bit tones with notches/missing bits:
bit(s) 38:43 163.875 - 189.75 KHz
bit(s) 139:255 599.4375 - 1104 KHz
and new stats
SN Margin (dB) 18.5 -
Line Attenuation (dB) 22.5 -
Loss of Signal 0 -
Loss of Frame 0 0
CRC Errors 1 2
db came up some thats good right. I still get a hybrid 3 in logs though Hope i can isolate that tomorrow when i hook directly to test port
can somone that knows explain
Bit tones with notches/missing bits:
i notice now there is only 2 of them |
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wayjac
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| Does your NID look like this one The line that connects all the phones in the home, needs to be isolated from the line that connects the computer room phone and modem.
The computer room phone will still need a microfilter connected.
At the NID you can use a microfilter to isolate the line that connects all the phones in the home.
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NormanS
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1 edit | reply to imsystem
said by imsystem :I am not quit understanding what your saying. My box is bigger then those and has spots for 2 separate phone lines. Yet only line one is hooked up now not line 2. I don't have the spare money to buy new boxes to mount outside like that. Then you probably have the CAC-7600 type NID. It has "sled" modules, as shown by Wayjac. You can obtain a "sled" module which is a DSL splitter. Same site that I linked.
If you can't afford the price of a DSL splitter, there are people who have reported success by kluging a microfilter inside of the box. Again, Wayjac shows a screen shot of how to do it.
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imsystem
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Red Bluff, CA
3 edits | ok my box is not like that either. But from the new pictures i understand whats being talked about.
link to picture of my box
»www.hostmystuff.net/myimage/albu···0box.jpg
/1 phone
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/ \DSL
----NID
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----phones
I will be testing at the nid test jack in the next 30 minutes and will edit this post with the results.
Testing at nid info below
+000 days 00:05:13 E |DSL |HYBRID 2
Downstream Maxrate (Estimated): 7780
Upstream Maxrate (Estimated): 690
Bit tones with notches/missing bits:
bit(s) 43:58 185.4375 - 254.4375 KHz
bit(s) 114 491.625 - 495.9375 KHz
SN Margin (dB) 26.5 -
Line Attenuation (dB) 24.0 -
Loss of Signal 0 -
Loss of Frame 0 0
CRC Errors 1 2
now if i remove the phone on the dsl line and wire a filter at the nid should that bring my stats up like this or close to in in home. or will only a splitter do that. Also if i filter it at the box will that be good for all my in house phones or do i still need a filter at each location.
Lastly if i do this either way do i need the newer wires or can just the red green wires work. |
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wayjac
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2line_nid |
You must isolate that phone near the modem.
A 2 port microfilter will do that.
Take a spare 2 port microfilter to the NID, check to see if both RJ11 plugs will attach to the microfilter.
Which pair of wires connects the computer room phone and modem.... red/green or yellow/black
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