MarkyD
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1 edit | [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data?
I see the iPhone as a terrible contradiction to itself.
Apple touts it as "a breakthrough Internet communications device," yet it doesn't have any broadband capability except for WiFi.
WiFi...Big deal...my Windows Mobile-based phone has that, PLUS EVDO high speed data. Mobile broadband is where it's at for the true business person. Who wants to wait for attachments to download on a dial-up speed connection? This equals more time downloading over the network...which in turn means much worse battery life...
WiFi is NOT everywhere. True mobile broadband access (3g) is needed to make this device relevant, IMO.
Not to mention the fact that Cingular has the worst broadband coverage of any of the big mobile carriers currently...They've hardly deployed HSPDA! Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move. They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier. |
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yabos
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| Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones. |
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MarkyD
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| said by yabos  :Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones. show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
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yabos
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| I don't know from personal experience because A: I don't have a need for a smartphone yet and B: I live in Canada and the wireless providers rape us for data access. $100 for 100MB no joke.
But from what I've read a lot of places don't have 3G and all the people on slashdot saying they have the latest 3G smartphones say it's worse batterylife than the iPhone. I'm talking about it not even lasting a whole day without the battery dying. That's not really something I see Apple wanting to produce. Someone said on slashdot the Japanese phones are quite large compared to the little ones we have over here and I bet it has to do with the battery problem. They need a larger battery for 3G and Apple is all about slim form factors and elegant designs. |
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bbarrera
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I don't agree with you, I'm extensively using a Treo 650 and just use it to view/reply to important emails. Setup in 30 seconds to talk with Exchange server via ActiveSync and no problems syncing emails and calendar. Same easy setup for secure pop/stmp email accounts. I don't bother downloading attachments, if it is important I'll call the sender and set expectations as to when I can read the email. Everyone in business that needs immediate access to files has a cellular modem in their laptop. On my Cingular Treo 650 Google maps loads fast enough and I can see traffic problems and find restaurants and Starbucks. My wife's Sprint Treo 700 isn't that much faster. Guess I'm not a "true business person" even though I do million dollar deals?! So much whining, although I understand the frustration if you are married to CDMA because Windows mobile phones suck and the Palm isn't much better compared to the iPhone.
While cdma offers some technical advantages, GSM has 90% market share new digital subs worldwide. The 3G networks are rolling out now and will catch up to CDMA soon.
GSM Worldwide: In the 12 months from Q2 2005 to Q2 2006, the GSM family of technologies gained nearly 500 million new customers worldwide, including 41 million new UMTS 3G customers. This number represents more than 10 times the growth of CDMA, which added 45 million new customers. GSM again added more new customers in a year than the total subscriber base of all other mobile digital technologies. In June 2006, the industry milestone of 2 billion GSM subscriptions worldwide was reached, including subscriptions to UMTS at 70 million, and in the past year, new GSM subscriptions accounted for more than 90 percent of all net new digital wireless customers.
»www.govtech.net/news/news.php?id=100821 |
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MarkyD
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said by yabos :I don't know from personal experience because A: I don't have a need for a smartphone yet and B: I live in Canada and the wireless providers rape us for data access. $100 for 100MB no joke. But from what I've read a lot of places don't have 3G and all the people on slashdot saying they have the latest 3G smartphones say it's worse batterylife than the iPhone. I'm talking about it not even lasting a whole day without the battery dying. That's not really something I see Apple wanting to produce. Someone said on slashdot the Japanese phones are quite large compared to the little ones we have over here and I bet it has to do with the battery problem. They need a larger battery for 3G and Apple is all about slim form factors and elegant designs. that is simply not true. The difference in power consumption between HSPDA/EDGE chips is marginal. The difference in time that they would have to stay connected to the network to download a file DOES make a big difference in battery life.
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Just because you don't use your phone for downloading attachments and files does not mean other people don't. I know a lot of people with smart phones who do a whole lot of attachment downloading/viewing on their phones.
Again, what's the point of introducing a new "smartphone" that can't even access next gen data services? Phones that are 1/4 the price have EVDO/HSPDA built in. It just doesn't make any sense.
Again, just because YOU may not have a use for it doesn't mean the majority of people with a smartphone don't.
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yabos
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I'm going from what I've read and many people saying on slashdot that they have some of the 3G phones and they last less than a day on standby. So either the phone sucks(probably) or it has to do with the 3G |
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Eldon
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said by MarkyD :show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability. The BlackBerry Pearl, introduced in September, only supports EDGE speeds. |
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bbarrera
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The techie in me thinks iPhone without 3G is stupid, the business person in me understands why. |
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MarkyD
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said by Eldon :said by MarkyD :show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability. The BlackBerry Pearl, introduced in September, only supports EDGE speeds. good point. That is one. ANything running windows mobile released recently without high speed data? I'd say that's more of a competitor to the iPhone than the blackberry is...
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said by bbarrera :I don't agree with you, I'm extensively using a Treo 650 and just use it to view/reply to important emails. Setup in 30 seconds to talk with Exchange server via ActiveSync and no problems syncing emails and calendar. How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server?
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said by MarkyD :Again, just because YOU may not have a use for it doesn't mean the majority of people with a smartphone don't. This thread is headed in the same direction as 'upgrading teh video' threads. |
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said by 93254336 :How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server? - Dan I don't think one can.
only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile.
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said by 93254336 :said by bbarrera :I don't agree with you, I'm extensively using a Treo 650 and just use it to view/reply to important emails. Setup in 30 seconds to talk with Exchange server via ActiveSync and no problems syncing emails and calendar. How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server? Apple or Cingular would need to develop an ActiveSync or MAPI client. Same thing Palm did (they did ActiveSync). The IT guy at work didn't believe my Treo650 could sync email and calendar over-the-air, he honestly believes you need a Windows mobile phone to do that. All I needed was the URL for our Outlook Web Access and my username/password, 30 seconds later I was syncing. |
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said by MarkyD :I don't think one can. only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile. Think again. "True Exchange integration like Windows Mobile" is accomplished using ActiveSync, and Treo has ActiveSync.
»www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte···faq.mspx |
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said by MarkyD :said by 93254336 :How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server? - Dan I don't think one can. only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile. I don't know about syncing, but didn't Jobs say that the iPhone would handle POP, IMAP and Exchange? I'm not going to rewatch the 2 hour presentation, but I thought I heard that.
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MarkyD
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said by bbarrera :said by MarkyD :I don't think one can. only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile. Think again. "True Exchange integration like Windows Mobile" is accomplished using ActiveSync, and Treo has ActiveSync. » www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte···faq.mspx I know Treo has activesync...I was referring to the iPhone.
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aliasrlz
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I don't care, I still think the iPhone is HOT 
Just a little angry I didn't wait for it - already upgraded to a BB 8703e ..... |
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said by bbarrera :said by MarkyD :Again, just because YOU may not have a use for it doesn't mean the majority of people with a smartphone don't. This thread is headed in the same direction as 'upgrading teh video' threads. Yeah, but can you play counter strike on the iPhone??
I just HAD to go there.......
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