tommy3rd
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Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data?
said by bjf123  :said by MarkyD :said by 93254336 :How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server? - Dan I don't think one can. only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile. I don't know about syncing, but didn't Jobs say that the iPhone would handle POP, IMAP and Exchange? I'm not going to rewatch the 2 hour presentation, but I thought I heard that. I think what he said was "There's a setup in Exchange that lets you do IMAP" or something to that effect. I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function. |
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Johnny
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Bah - this was the first reaction to iPod when it came out - too expensive, just another mp3 player.
What do you think about Jobs' argument that the most popular iPod costs $199 and the average smart phone (which does not do iPod) is about $299, so a logical price for the iPhone is $499? And that is assuming that the iPhone does the smart functions as crappily as the other smart phones.
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tokevino
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1 edit | I don't know about others, but I will get one as soon as version 2 (or rev A) comes out, even at the expense of a $200 early termination fee w/ my current carrier. I hope an Apple portable bluetooth keyboard accessory will be released to accompany iPhone in June, that should save me from carrying my Powerbook most the time.
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inteller
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said by MarkyD :Not to mention the fact that Cingular has the worst broadband coverage of any of the big mobile carriers currently...They've hardly deployed HSPDA! Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move. They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier. Cingular has one thing your beloved CDMA carriers dont, the SIM card. People will get these things, unlock them, and put them on other GSM networks. Verlosen, Spent, and Awwhell can't do this, nor do they allow phones from outside networks.
HSDPA deployment is as wide as some EV-DO rev A deployments, which is the closest kludge CDMA carriers can come to the speed of HSDPA. Nevermind the fact that HSDPA tops out 14.4Mbps....EV-DO can hardly do that.
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inteller
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said by tommy3rd : I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function. yeah, and how many sys admins are going to do that just for an iPhone? I know we wont be. hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment.
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elias
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said by MarkyD :Not to mention the fact that Cingular has the worst broadband coverage of any of the big mobile carriers currently...They've hardly deployed HSPDA! Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move. They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier. All the smartphones have WiFi but crappy browsers. You're getting WiFi you can actually use.
Also, Cingular just launched HSDPA at the end of last year in 100 or 150 markets.
Look at a global GSM coverage map. Find one for CDMA. You might not, because the CDMA association doesn't publish such a map, since it's only available in a handful of countries (mostly Caribbean and some in Asia). Look at the global GSM coverage map from the GSM Association. Even the same countries in Asia where CDMA is deployed, they have GSM. Japan also has HSDPA, contrary to popular belief.
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MarkyD
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said by inteller :said by tommy3rd : I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function. yeah, and how many sys admins are going to do that just for an iPhone? I know we wont be. hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment. I think the iPhone is kind of silly at this point in time, despite the technological advances, especially with the UI and functionality. However, how is it a security breach? That makes no sense unless I'm missing something.
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MarkyD
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said by Johnny :Bah - this was the first reaction to iPod when it came out - too expensive, just another mp3 player. What do you think about Jobs' argument that the most popular iPod costs $199 and the average smart phone (which does not do iPod) is about $299, so a logical price for the iPhone is $499? And that is assuming that the iPhone does the smart functions as crappily as the other smart phones. I actually don't think the price is unreasonable at ALL. I paid $499 for my Windows Mobile based PPC 6700 in March, and it's a piece of crap. At least it has EVDO and I don't have to wait 5 minutes for 10 megs worth of attachments to download. Aye, the price is VERY reasonable for what you get, even with the exclusion of HSPDA.
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MarkyD
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said by Johnny :Bah - this was the first reaction to iPod when it came out - too expensive, just another mp3 player. What do you think about Jobs' argument that the most popular iPod costs $199 and the average smart phone (which does not do iPod) is about $299, so a logical price for the iPhone is $499? And that is assuming that the iPhone does the smart functions as crappily as the other smart phones. I actually don't think the price is unreasonable at ALL. I paid $499 for my Windows Mobile based PPC 6700 in March, and it's a piece of crap. At least it has EVDO and I don't have to wait 5 minutes for 10 megs worth of attachments to download. Aye, the price is VERY reasonable for what you get, even with the exclusion of HSDPA.
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MarkyD
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said by inteller :HSDPA deployment is as wide as some EV-DO rev A deployments, which is the closest kludge CDMA carriers can come to the speed of HSDPA. Nevermind the fact that HSDPA tops out 14.4Mbps....EV-DO can hardly do that. in the US? I can't even find a national level coverage map for HSDPA through Cingular. Only local-level maps. All I know is that EVDO Rev. A is becoming commonplace...People are seeing real world speeds of around 1.8 down/768 up or so. At least, that's what my tests on Verizon Wireless EVDO Rev. A here in El Paso show on a consistent basis.
Oh, and HSDPA does not max out at 14.4mbps here in the states. It probably won't for a long, long time considering the lack of deployment from Cingular. What a worthless carrier.
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cbrigante2
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North Aurora, IL | I really look at this phone as a personal type cell phone. It doesn't strike me as a business/corporate type cell phone yet. I think it is a great phone, but not the first one that comes to mind when thinking of a business device. |
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aliasrlz
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1 edit | said by cbrigante2 :I really look at this phone as a personal type cell phone. It doesn't strike me as a business/corporate type cell phone yet. I think it is a great phone, but not the first one that comes to mind when thinking of a business device. I agree. I like it is a personal phone/pda/mp3/bb type device. I do expect it to do well among the 21-35 age demographic. A lot of individuals over 35 are already using BBs quite a bit for personal and business. |
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GilbertMark
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| Ok Apple, you reading this thread?
You've got a few months (after you've gotten FCC approval and sorted out what the real name of this product will be) to solve ALL of your technological issues/complaints with this device.
Oh, and don't forget to design a nice chamois to keep the screen clean from all the face oil and fingerprints it will be quickly layered in.
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russotto
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said by inteller : hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment. Eh? It's not even out and it's already a "security breach"? It's not a Microsoft product you know... |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
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I say whats the point in a phone that looks like a dell axim?
Just wait for an Axim Phone.
3rd party apps welcome. |
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cbrigante2
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| said by insomniac84 :I say whats the point in a phone that looks like a dell axim? Just wait for an Axim Phone. 3rd party apps welcome. There already is an Axim Phone. It's any device running Windows Mobile. I have one, and while it gets the job done, it's by no means the ideal. |
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GilbertMark
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| Maybe it would have been better had Apple gone the MVNO? route. They could have made a CDMA and GSM version. Sell the GSMs unlocked, and you take it to whoever you want.
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bbarrera
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A very interesting quote in the New York Times:
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The device is not currently compatible with the faster 3G wireless data networks that are driving sharp gains in cellular revenues in the United States, although several Apple insiders said the phone could be upgraded to 3G with software if Apple later decides to do so.
»www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/techn···f=slogin |
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deblin
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| That's awfully odd. If it is a matter of software, you'd think they would tout it as a 3G capable device. If it's capable of 3G with a software update, that means it has 3G hardware capability, but they specifically say EDGE.
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said by MarkyD :said by inteller :said by tommy3rd : I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function. yeah, and how many sys admins are going to do that just for an iPhone? I know we wont be. hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment. That makes no sense unless I'm missing something. The blatant trolling?
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