cbrigante2
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Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data?
Does it slow down FCC approval when going for 3G? I'm wondering the same thing about why they wouldn't talk up it's forward compatibility with faster networks. |
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bbarrera
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said by deblin  :That's awfully odd. If it is a matter of software, you'd think they would tout it as a 3G capable device. If it's capable of 3G with a software update, that means it has 3G hardware capability, but they specifically say EDGE. Why is that so odd? All the new Core 2 Duo machines are advertised as having "G" wireless and then Apple introduces "N" Airport Extreme basestation and tells us the C2D machines can be software enabled to "N" -- I don't understand the decisions Apple takes and just saying it would be in character for Apple to pitch iPhone as EDGE and then later throw in 3G. |
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Michieru2
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Software upgrade....hmmm well if I remember correctly isn't that Flash-OFDM? If not pardon my ignorance but I remember that there was a technology out there that could be upgrade by the means of a simple software upgrade at the tower and at the cell itself. Maybe it's UMTS either way if they said software upgrade it has to fall into one of the 3G services category and that would really make the iPhone now at least make sense.
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hkellogg
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said by MarkyD :said by yabos :Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones. show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability. The samsung blackjack
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cbrigante2
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| said by hkellogg :said by MarkyD :said by yabos :Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones. show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability. The samsung blackjack The Blackjack has HSPDA on Cingular. |
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deblin
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Right, because Apple put the hardware in place to support N. For the iPhone, until someone rips it open and identifies all the ICs, we're all guessing. It'd need the hardware there, just not enabled.
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bbarrera
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| I sure hope they put 3G chipset into the phone from the start. The iPhone stole the spotlight away from CES, I was in Las Vegas and the iPhone was opening topic of conversation in hallways and the evening news. Unfortunately at this point I think PC Mag got it right "Apple's Revolution for the Few". Overall the iPhone is a winner and it will suck if Apple thinks it can keep a lead over competitors when each of the major competitors have thousands of programmers, a 3rd party developer ecosystem, and patent portfolios of their own. |
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93254336
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join:2001-10-20 | For starters, it would have been a winner if it were priced at $100 more than a iPod nano, not at $600 with a two year AT&T wireless contract.
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cybergoober
join:2004-01-22
Newport News, VA | reply to MarkyD
Re: [rant] iPhone: 3G whining
Didn't Steve even say in the keynote that things like 3G would be added in the future? |
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elias
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Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data?
said by 93254336 :For starters, it would have been a winner if it were priced at $100 more than a iPod nano, not at $600 with a two year AT&T wireless contract. - dan Again, the feature-less RAZR was $600 when it came out. Today the D&G RAZR is still $600. A lot of smartphones are also in that price range.
The Treo 750 through Cingular is $649 and $499 with a 2-yeah contract.
»www.cingular.com/cell-phone-serv···ku620003
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93254336
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| Anything with a D&G tag on it is $600... or more. 
My point is that if one wants to capture market share, a very good way of doing it is to offer a new product at a very attractive price. At $300 with a two-year AT&T contract, I'm sure Apple would still be making a nice profit on each iPhone sold.
- Dan
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elias
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| said by 93254336 :Anything with a D&G tag on it is $600... or more. My point is that if one wants to capture market share, a very good way of doing it is to offer a new product at a very attractive price. At $300 with a two-year AT&T contract, I'm sure Apple would still be making a nice profit on each iPhone sold. - Dan I think they're proud of their accomplishments and want to unveil their flagship product. Eventually cheaper ones will come out, but why try to wow someone with the cheap one? You want to impress them with the best one. It'll be a halo product like the iPod.
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93254336
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Tommyastro
join:2004-01-18
Poughkeepsie, NY | reply to MarkyD
I LOVE Apple stuff but the iPhone does NOT interest me at all. I don't need a phone that does all that crap. My Virgin mobile is just fine. I hardly use a cell phone anyway. I'm more interested in COMPUTER stuff APPLE! WTF???
Tom |
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Daemon
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said by 93254336 :At $300 with a two-year AT&T contract, I'm sure Apple would still be making a nice profit on each iPhone sold. - Dan I have no way of knowing thats true, but I do know that isn't the apple business model. I am under the impression many of apple's core customers stay loyal because they feel elite using apple products. This keeps apple rolling from year to year. OTOH, Dell customers follow prices, which narrows Dell's moat.
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Paladin
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Allegedly, there's a software upgrade that will enable HSDPA on these phones. Can't confirm it though, it's strictly Internet rumor.
Also, let's not forget we're having a debate over vaporware, the iPhone isn't out yet.
As far as HSDPA coverage, that's growing by the day. Some places on the Cingular coverage viewer are not updated yet.
»www.cingular.com/coverageviewer/
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| said by Paladin :Allegedly, there's a software upgrade that will enable HSDPA on these phones. Can't confirm it though, it's strictly Internet rumor. In Apple-Speak, a software upgrade means you have to buy an updated model. Just look at all the iPod enhancements over the years, they rarely add features to the older ones via firmware. Heck look at the latest 5.5G, it's got that search thing. There's no reason that they shouldn't have provided a firmware upgrade for the 5G and installed that, but they haven't.
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elias
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Here's a list of 3G Cities:
»www.cingular.com/coverageviewer/···_3g.html
If you click on a city it will show a detailed map.
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junco927
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Rumor has it that the 3G iPhone could not be announced due to pending FCC review. I for one, will buy an iPhone, it does what I need. I am not intending to use it for work. I just want a better way to interact with my data on my computer. My one requirement is that it have good reception on Cingulars' network.
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[edit] Have you guys/gals looked at the Apple employment pages? There are lots of opening in the iPhone category. Check it out.
»www.apple.com/jobs/us/pro/ipod/ |
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aliasrlz
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Even though I have a BB 8703e, I think I will still get an iPhone as well  Its so HOT  |
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