[rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? in All Things Macintosh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17615494 en Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:05:53 EDT Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:05:53 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17658895 aliasrlz : Even though I have a BB 8703e, I think I will still get an iPhone as well :p Its so HOT :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17658895 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:52:07 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17647473 junco927 : Rumor has it that the 3G iPhone could not be announced due to pending FCC review. I for one, will buy an iPhone, it does what I need. I am not intending to use it for work. I just want a better way to interact with my data on my computer. My one requirement is that it have good reception on Cingulars' network.
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[edit] Have you guys/gals looked at the Apple employment pages? There are lots of opening in the iPhone category. Check it out.
»www.apple.com/jobs/us/pro/ipod/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17647473 Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:18:02 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17645657 elias : Here's a list of 3G Cities:
»www.cingular.com/coverageviewer/···_3g.html

If you click on a city it will show a detailed map.
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said by Paladin See Profile :

Allegedly, there's a software upgrade that will enable HSDPA on these phones. Can't confirm it though, it's strictly Internet rumor.
In Apple-Speak, a software upgrade means you have to buy an updated model. Just look at all the iPod enhancements over the years, they rarely add features to the older ones via firmware. Heck look at the latest 5.5G, it's got that search thing. There's no reason that they shouldn't have provided a firmware upgrade for the 5G and installed that, but they haven't.
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Also, let's not forget we're having a debate over vaporware, the iPhone isn't out yet.

As far as HSDPA coverage, that's growing by the day. Some places on the Cingular coverage viewer are not updated yet.

»www.cingular.com/coverageviewer/
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said by 93254336 See Profile :

At $300 with a two-year AT&T contract, I'm sure Apple would still be making a nice profit on each iPhone sold.

- Dan
I have no way of knowing thats true, but I do know that isn't the apple business model. I am under the impression many of apple's core customers stay loyal because they feel elite using apple products. This keeps apple rolling from year to year. OTOH, Dell customers follow prices, which narrows Dell's moat.
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OMGWTFBBQ!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17642111 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:47:06 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17642085 Tommyastro : I LOVE Apple stuff but the iPhone does NOT interest me at all. I don't need a phone that does all that crap. My Virgin mobile is just fine. I hardly use a cell phone anyway. I'm more interested in COMPUTER stuff APPLE! WTF???

Tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17642085 Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:43:38 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17635201 93254336 : Best doesn't necessarily mean most expensive.

- Dan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17635201 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:53:38 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17635172 elias :
said by 93254336 See Profile :

Anything with a D&G tag on it is $600... or more. :)

My point is that if one wants to capture market share, a very good way of doing it is to offer a new product at a very attractive price. At $300 with a two-year AT&T contract, I'm sure Apple would still be making a nice profit on each iPhone sold.

- Dan
I think they're proud of their accomplishments and want to unveil their flagship product. Eventually cheaper ones will come out, but why try to wow someone with the cheap one? You want to impress them with the best one. It'll be a halo product like the iPod.
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My point is that if one wants to capture market share, a very good way of doing it is to offer a new product at a very attractive price. At $300 with a two-year AT&T contract, I'm sure Apple would still be making a nice profit on each iPhone sold.

- Dan
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17635141 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:42:48 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17635123 elias :
said by 93254336 See Profile :

For starters, it would have been a winner if it were priced at $100 more than a iPod nano, not at $600 with a two year AT&T wireless contract.

- dan
Again, the feature-less RAZR was $600 when it came out. Today the D&G RAZR is still $600. A lot of smartphones are also in that price range.

The Treo 750 through Cingular is $649 and $499 with a 2-yeah contract.
»www.cingular.com/cell-phone-serv···ku620003
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- dan
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634752 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:05:36 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634693 bbarrera : I sure hope they put 3G chipset into the phone from the start. The iPhone stole the spotlight away from CES, I was in Las Vegas and the iPhone was opening topic of conversation in hallways and the evening news. Unfortunately at this point I think PC Mag got it right "Apple's Revolution for the Few". Overall the iPhone is a winner and it will suck if Apple thinks it can keep a lead over competitors when each of the major competitors have thousands of programmers, a 3rd party developer ecosystem, and patent portfolios of their own.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634693 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:50:43 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634565 deblin : Right, because Apple put the hardware in place to support N. For the iPhone, until someone rips it open and identifies all the ICs, we're all guessing. It'd need the hardware there, just not enabled.
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said by hkellogg See Profile :

said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by yabos See Profile :

Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones.
show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
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The Blackjack has HSPDA on Cingular. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634300 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:16:46 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17634234 hkellogg :
said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by yabos See Profile :

Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones.
show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
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said by deblin See Profile :

That's awfully odd. If it is a matter of software, you'd think they would tout it as a 3G capable device. If it's capable of 3G with a software update, that means it has 3G hardware capability, but they specifically say EDGE.
Why is that so odd? All the new Core 2 Duo machines are advertised as having "G" wireless and then Apple introduces "N" Airport Extreme basestation and tells us the C2D machines can be software enabled to "N" -- I don't understand the decisions Apple takes and just saying it would be in character for Apple to pitch iPhone as EDGE and then later throw in 3G.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17633835 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:19:30 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17633786 cbrigante2 : Does it slow down FCC approval when going for 3G? I'm wondering the same thing about why they wouldn't talk up it's forward compatibility with faster networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17633786 Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:04:16 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631211 gabeman :
said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by inteller See Profile :

said by tommy3rd See Profile :

I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function.
yeah, and how many sys admins are going to do that just for an iPhone? I know we wont be. hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment.
That makes no sense unless I'm missing something.
The blatant trolling?
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quote:
The device is not currently compatible with the faster 3G wireless data networks that are driving sharp gains in cellular revenues in the United States, although several Apple insiders said the phone could be upgraded to 3G with software if Apple later decides to do so.


»www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/techn···f=slogin]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631041 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:11:36 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631009 GilbertMark : Maybe it would have been better had Apple gone the MVNO? route. They could have made a CDMA and GSM version. Sell the GSMs unlocked, and you take it to whoever you want.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631009 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:06:20 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17630604 cbrigante2 :
said by insomniac84 See Profile :

I say whats the point in a phone that looks like a dell axim?
Just wait for an Axim Phone.
3rd party apps welcome.
There already is an Axim Phone. It's any device running Windows Mobile. I have one, and while it gets the job done, it's by no means the ideal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17630604 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:57:49 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17630462 insomniac84 : I say whats the point in a phone that looks like a dell axim?
Just wait for an Axim Phone.
3rd party apps welcome.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17630462 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:37:09 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17630285 russotto :
said by inteller See Profile :

hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment.
Eh? It's not even out and it's already a "security breach"? It's not a Microsoft product you know...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17630285 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:09:18 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17629156 GilbertMark : Ok Apple, you reading this thread?

You've got a few months (after you've gotten FCC approval and sorted out what the real name of this product will be) to solve ALL of your technological issues/complaints with this device.

Oh, and don't forget to design a nice chamois to keep the screen clean from all the face oil and fingerprints it will be quickly layered in.
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said by cbrigante2 See Profile :

I really look at this phone as a personal type cell phone. It doesn't strike me as a business/corporate type cell phone yet. I think it is a great phone, but not the first one that comes to mind when thinking of a business device.
I agree. I like it is a personal phone/pda/mp3/bb type device. I do expect it to do well among the 21-35 age demographic. A lot of individuals over 35 are already using BBs quite a bit for personal and business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17629099 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:57:48 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17627823 cbrigante2 : I really look at this phone as a personal type cell phone. It doesn't strike me as a business/corporate type cell phone yet. I think it is a great phone, but not the first one that comes to mind when thinking of a business device.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17627823 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:08:23 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17627437 MarkyD :
said by inteller See Profile :

HSDPA deployment is as wide as some EV-DO rev A deployments, which is the closest kludge CDMA carriers can come to the speed of HSDPA. Nevermind the fact that HSDPA tops out 14.4Mbps....EV-DO can hardly do that.
in the US? I can't even find a national level coverage map for HSDPA through Cingular. Only local-level maps. All I know is that EVDO Rev. A is becoming commonplace...People are seeing real world speeds of around 1.8 down/768 up or so. At least, that's what my tests on Verizon Wireless EVDO Rev. A here in El Paso show on a consistent basis.
Oh, and HSDPA does not max out at 14.4mbps here in the states. It probably won't for a long, long time considering the lack of deployment from Cingular. What a worthless carrier.
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said by Johnny See Profile :

Bah - this was the first reaction to iPod when it came out - too expensive, just another mp3 player.

What do you think about Jobs' argument that the most popular iPod costs $199 and the average smart phone (which does not do iPod) is about $299, so a logical price for the iPhone is $499? And that is assuming that the iPhone does the smart functions as crappily as the other smart phones.
I actually don't think the price is unreasonable at ALL. I paid $499 for my Windows Mobile based PPC 6700 in March, and it's a piece of crap. At least it has EVDO and I don't have to wait 5 minutes for 10 megs worth of attachments to download. Aye, the price is VERY reasonable for what you get, even with the exclusion of HSDPA.
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said by Johnny See Profile :

Bah - this was the first reaction to iPod when it came out - too expensive, just another mp3 player.

What do you think about Jobs' argument that the most popular iPod costs $199 and the average smart phone (which does not do iPod) is about $299, so a logical price for the iPhone is $499? And that is assuming that the iPhone does the smart functions as crappily as the other smart phones.
I actually don't think the price is unreasonable at ALL. I paid $499 for my Windows Mobile based PPC 6700 in March, and it's a piece of crap. At least it has EVDO and I don't have to wait 5 minutes for 10 megs worth of attachments to download. Aye, the price is VERY reasonable for what you get, even with the exclusion of HSPDA.
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said by inteller See Profile :

said by tommy3rd See Profile :

I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function.
yeah, and how many sys admins are going to do that just for an iPhone? I know we wont be. hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment.
I think the iPhone is kind of silly at this point in time, despite the technological advances, especially with the UI and functionality. However, how is it a security breach? That makes no sense unless I'm missing something.
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said by MarkyD See Profile :

Not to mention the fact that Cingular has the worst broadband coverage of any of the big mobile carriers currently...They've hardly deployed HSPDA! Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move. They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier.
All the smartphones have WiFi but crappy browsers. You're getting WiFi you can actually use.

Also, Cingular just launched HSDPA at the end of last year in 100 or 150 markets.

Look at a global GSM coverage map. Find one for CDMA. You might not, because the CDMA association doesn't publish such a map, since it's only available in a handful of countries (mostly Caribbean and some in Asia). Look at the global GSM coverage map from the GSM Association. Even the same countries in Asia where CDMA is deployed, they have GSM. Japan also has HSDPA, contrary to popular belief.
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said by tommy3rd See Profile :

I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function.
yeah, and how many sys admins are going to do that just for an iPhone? I know we wont be. hell, we wont even be allowing this little security breach into the corporate environment.
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said by MarkyD See Profile :

Not to mention the fact that Cingular has the worst broadband coverage of any of the big mobile carriers currently...They've hardly deployed HSPDA! Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move. They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier.
Cingular has one thing your beloved CDMA carriers dont, the SIM card. People will get these things, unlock them, and put them on other GSM networks. Verlosen, Spent, and Awwhell can't do this, nor do they allow phones from outside networks.

HSDPA deployment is as wide as some EV-DO rev A deployments, which is the closest kludge CDMA carriers can come to the speed of HSDPA. Nevermind the fact that HSDPA tops out 14.4Mbps....EV-DO can hardly do that.
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What do you think about Jobs' argument that the most popular iPod costs $199 and the average smart phone (which does not do iPod) is about $299, so a logical price for the iPhone is $499? And that is assuming that the iPhone does the smart functions as crappily as the other smart phones.
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said by bjf123 See Profile :

said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by 93254336 See Profile :

How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server?

- Dan
I don't think one can.

only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile.
I don't know about syncing, but didn't Jobs say that the iPhone would handle POP, IMAP and Exchange? I'm not going to rewatch the 2 hour presentation, but I thought I heard that.
I think what he said was "There's a setup in Exchange that lets you do IMAP" or something to that effect. I think he's basically saying exchange servers can sync if they turn on the IMAP function.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17618481 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:07:42 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17618243 gabeman : No 3rd party apps is a deal breaker. Who cares if the device runs OS X and has Core Animation if it's not open to developers?

This is ridiculous.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17618243 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:27:36 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617691 Michieru2 : I played soccer since I was a kid and every now and then go out and do some exercises and I make the Gatorade at home, stick it in a water bottle with ice and head out to run or play some football these days.

Also never really liked koolaid and the flavor is citric.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617691 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:58:11 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617671 TigerNutz :
Eventually I began going deeper into bargains and found the type of Gatorade you make with by dumping the mix. Turns out if I bought that for 7 dollars I get 6 gallons. But 2 gallon Gatorade made costed me the same price.

damn, that is a lot Gatorade!
are you like, a coach or something?

What flavor?

personally I prefer koolaid.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617671 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:54:34 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617665 Formeister : I know the big question is functionality but at what price?

$4-500 for the phone + a 2 year contact. What's the cost per month for unlimited use of all the features the phone can supply? Is it worth it? Only you travelin' salesmen can answer that.

My crappy old, unlocked, razr with Opera can do email and surf the web at a whopping 350kps with a pay as you go plan from cingular. Point is, do I want to do it on a 3 or 4" screen - not likely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617665 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:53:45 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617605 Michieru2 : Dude, don't even bother trying here it's a waste of your time and I am telling you this from experience. Anyone who does buy a phone for it's specifications will always be the individual who will get more bang for his buck. If these people want to waste 600 dollars like water let them go ahead.

I rather have that money in my pocket and stick it into a savings account or donate some of that to charity for the march of dimes.

My SCP-8400 costed me less than 100 dollars after the mail in rebate, I am really not bothered by it all although my phone is not a Rev.A capable phone it's still a EV-DO phone with decent speeds that I use with my Macbook over Bluetooth.

Of course since some of these guys have stocks from Apple they are gonna try to shove everything they can to make the company look good so there stock price can increase and make more money.

But to be very clear on one thing, you buy first from your needs and then later your wants. I found out I saved myself a few hundred dollars per month staying away from the things I want and just getting the stuff I need and have stuck that money into a ING Direct account with a 4.5%APY

Eventually I began going deeper into bargains and found the type of Gatorade you make with by dumping the mix. Turns out if I bought that for 7 dollars I get 6 gallons. But 2 gallon Gatorade made costed me the same price.

Of course I bought the one you create and I have yet to buy another one of those things and have not been to the grocery store in two weeks.

But back to the topic and point, the iPhone is a revolutionary for it's UI but it's specs and as a internet communications device pales in comparison.

I was expecting ichat like interface where the camera is on the front of the phone or a swivel type camera and you can do video conferencing with your friends over a HSDPA or EV-DO network, because that would make sense of course Motorola's Ojo was first but this right here is a mobile device of it's kind and that what would make the iPhone revolutionary.

Considering that Seagate now has released it's 1.8in" HD's with around 40GB and even 60GB storage capacity there is really no execuse for why the iPhone to be what it is and for it's price.

Also the problem with the stylus was fixed a long time ago, it's called a string attached to the pen and the device, I wonder how people can now sign stuff on there phone as that is quite helpful considering Nextel sold a wireless credit card type device as well.

I can also go into talks about how people complain about Walkie talkies not being able to reach 12 miles as advertised because there are using the FRS frequency and not the GMRS frequency and on top of that don't know they require a license that costs 86 dollars for five year's to do so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617605 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:41:36 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617361 IronChefMoto :
said by M A R K See Profile :

No, but the rich mommy and daddy do
Yeah, but rich Mommy and Daddy should know better that expensive phone carried in expensive new BMW 330i for rich kid will most likely be lost along with car and kid when kid slams into tree showing how cool he/she is in said rich kid car after JUST getting his/her license the day before.

I know -- off topic...

...I will say that the phone is cool. I have a Blackberry from work, and I'm stuck using it with Lotus Notes, but if I could get it to do some of the basic OS X kind of things that the iPhone appears to do with little or no hassle, I'd be much happier with it.

I have a co-worker who has a non-work Blackberry, and he likes it for his POP/IMAP account, for example. I will say that web browsing is so-so using the built in Blackberry and Cingular browsers. I tried Opera Mobile, but it sucked. Was slow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617361 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:02:57 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617256 M A R K :
said by bobrk See Profile :

said by M A R K See Profile :

said by vincar See Profile :

I couldn't agree with Marky D. iphone looks real sweet and should be a huge hit with the younger crowd but not much else.
No high speed means not tethering a laptop either. I have a 3G EVDO and the battery life is 1 1/2 to 2 days. I use it quite extensively.
I don't think Apple's target market for this is business/power user.
I think it's the 14-22 year old crowd.
I must admit it is very cool looking.
14-22 is sidekick territory.
14-22 don't have that kind of discretionary cash.
No, but the rich mommy and daddy do
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Currently 64% of school children 19 and under have a cell phone.
Moms and Dads have that type of discretionary cash. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17617178 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:32:15 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616886 bobrk :
said by M A R K See Profile :

said by vincar See Profile :

I couldn't agree with Marky D. iphone looks real sweet and should be a huge hit with the younger crowd but not much else.
No high speed means not tethering a laptop either. I have a 3G EVDO and the battery life is 1 1/2 to 2 days. I use it quite extensively.
I don't think Apple's target market for this is business/power user.
I think it's the 14-22 year old crowd.
I must admit it is very cool looking.
14-22 is sidekick territory.
14-22 don't have that kind of discretionary cash.
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said by vincar See Profile :

I couldn't agree with Marky D. iphone looks real sweet and should be a huge hit with the younger crowd but not much else.
No high speed means not tethering a laptop either. I have a 3G EVDO and the battery life is 1 1/2 to 2 days. I use it quite extensively.
I don't think Apple's target market for this is business/power user.
I think it's the 14-22 year old crowd.
I must admit it is very cool looking.
14-22 is sidekick territory.
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No high speed means not tethering a laptop either. I have a 3G EVDO and the battery life is 1 1/2 to 2 days. I use it quite extensively.
I don't think Apple's target market for this is business/power user.
I think it's the 14-22 year old crowd.
I must admit it is very cool looking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616669 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:13:30 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616652 hyperjoe : The phone would be sweet if it was at the $299 point. The "new" technology is rather a weak arguement to spend $500-600 in contract. What I want to know...how much is it out of contract for existing customers?

The iPhone CAN be breakthrough but it is not. I still may get one though...would make a nice communicator.
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said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by Eldon See Profile :

said by MarkyD See Profile :

show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
The BlackBerry Pearl, introduced in September, only supports EDGE speeds.
good point. That is one. ANything running windows mobile released recently without high speed data? I'd say that's more of a competitor to the iPhone than the blackberry is...
I beg to differ, the BB Pearl feature/functionality lines up pretty well with the iPhone, except no WiFi and it has a suretype keyboard rather than touchscreen (which is probably better anyway). Oh, and you can get one now, even under a 1 year contract, for 1/2 the price.

Pearl Fanboy]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616337 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 15:21:10 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616327 Zuhaib : See my post here: »Re: The Official MacWorld SF 2007 Discussion Thread

It is weird that 3G is already with Cingular and Apple did not go with it. I am more likely thinking this is a hold back from Cingular as the Treo 750 was going to ship now with no HSDPA but get an soft-upgrade this year by June. Who knows, David Pogue did say the phone he played with was pre-production, so we still have not seen the shipping phone.
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said by CPM See Profile :

Iphone.I rather wait, like the other apple phone, apple try to do. What was the name of that phone again??? My point .
I think your message is still encrypted.
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said by JAXx See Profile :

- "Typing is difficult"

...iPhone is not open to 3rd party development at this time. Only Apple is providing (built-in) applications for the device.

The whole thread with comments at »forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=268228
That's disappointing. I was all set to get an iphone in June, but after finding that it doesn't do 3G and now this, it makes me pause. I think I'll wait for the reviews to come out first before jumping on this.

If I wanted a totally locked down phone, I'd just stay with Verizon (I love how they lock down bluetooth, put a crappy UI on the phone, etc. etc.). But at least with VZW I have high speed access with my piddly Razr that came out what, a year ago or more on VZW's network?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17616002 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:25:17 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615864 JAXx : According to www.macrumors.com:

Time's author as well as David Pogue had some one-on-one time with the device, and provides these additional details and observations:

- Can't download songs directly from iTunes Store
- Can't sync iPhone with a computer wirelessly.
- "Web speed was OK—not great, but OK."
- "Apple went through numerous iterations of the glass surface, trying to find one that’s not too slick or too rough, or that shows grease and fingerprints too much. "
- "It feels amazing in your hand"
- "Typing is difficult"

According to Engadget, the iPhone is not open to 3rd party development at this time. Only Apple is providing (built-in) applications for the device.

The whole thread with comments at »forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=268228
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Just a little angry I didn't wait for it - already upgraded to a BB 8703e .....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615847 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:56:27 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615777 MarkyD :
said by bbarrera See Profile :

said by MarkyD See Profile :

I don't think one can.

only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile.
Think again. "True Exchange integration like Windows Mobile" is accomplished using ActiveSync, and Treo has ActiveSync.
»www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte···faq.mspx
I know Treo has activesync...I was referring to the iPhone.
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said by MarkyD See Profile :

said by 93254336 See Profile :

How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server?

- Dan
I don't think one can.

only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile.
I don't know about syncing, but didn't Jobs say that the iPhone would handle POP, IMAP and Exchange? I'm not going to rewatch the 2 hour presentation, but I thought I heard that.
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said by MarkyD See Profile :

I don't think one can.

only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile.
Think again. "True Exchange integration like Windows Mobile" is accomplished using ActiveSync, and Treo has ActiveSync.
»www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte···faq.mspx]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615755 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:39:38 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615719 bbarrera :
said by 93254336 See Profile :

said by bbarrera See Profile :

I don't agree with you, I'm extensively using a Treo 650 and just use it to view/reply to important emails. Setup in 30 seconds to talk with Exchange server via ActiveSync and no problems syncing emails and calendar.
How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server?
Apple or Cingular would need to develop an ActiveSync or MAPI client. Same thing Palm did (they did ActiveSync). The IT guy at work didn't believe my Treo650 could sync email and calendar over-the-air, he honestly believes you need a Windows mobile phone to do that. All I needed was the URL for our Outlook Web Access and my username/password, 30 seconds later I was syncing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615719 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:35:03 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615702 MarkyD :
said by 93254336 See Profile :

How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server?

- Dan
I don't think one can.

only IMAP/POP email...but no true Exchange integration like Windows Mobile.
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said by bbarrera See Profile :

I don't agree with you, I'm extensively using a Treo 650 and just use it to view/reply to important emails. Setup in 30 seconds to talk with Exchange server via ActiveSync and no problems syncing emails and calendar.
How exactly would one go about syncing an iPhone to an Exchange server?

- Dan
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said by Eldon See Profile :

said by MarkyD See Profile :

show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
The BlackBerry Pearl, introduced in September, only supports EDGE speeds.
good point. That is one. ANything running windows mobile released recently without high speed data? I'd say that's more of a competitor to the iPhone than the blackberry is...
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said by MarkyD See Profile :

show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
The BlackBerry Pearl, introduced in September, only supports EDGE speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615669 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:26:45 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615664 yabos : I'm going from what I've read and many people saying on slashdot that they have some of the 3G phones and they last less than a day on standby. So either the phone sucks(probably) or it has to do with the 3G]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615664 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:26:05 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615641 MarkyD : Just because you don't use your phone for downloading attachments and files does not mean other people don't. I know a lot of people with smart phones who do a whole lot of attachment downloading/viewing on their phones.
Again, what's the point of introducing a new "smartphone" that can't even access next gen data services? Phones that are 1/4 the price have EVDO/HSPDA built in. It just doesn't make any sense.

Again, just because YOU may not have a use for it doesn't mean the majority of people with a smartphone don't.
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said by yabos See Profile :

I don't know from personal experience because A: I don't have a need for a smartphone yet and B: I live in Canada and the wireless providers rape us for data access. $100 for 100MB no joke.

But from what I've read a lot of places don't have 3G and all the people on slashdot saying they have the latest 3G smartphones say it's worse batterylife than the iPhone. I'm talking about it not even lasting a whole day without the battery dying. That's not really something I see Apple wanting to produce. Someone said on slashdot the Japanese phones are quite large compared to the little ones we have over here and I bet it has to do with the battery problem. They need a larger battery for 3G and Apple is all about slim form factors and elegant designs.
that is simply not true. The difference in power consumption between HSPDA/EDGE chips is marginal. The difference in time that they would have to stay connected to the network to download a file DOES make a big difference in battery life.
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While cdma offers some technical advantages, GSM has 90% market share new digital subs worldwide. The 3G networks are rolling out now and will catch up to CDMA soon.

GSM Worldwide: In the 12 months from Q2 2005 to Q2 2006, the GSM family of technologies gained nearly 500 million new customers worldwide, including 41 million new UMTS 3G customers. This number represents more than 10 times the growth of CDMA, which added 45 million new customers. GSM again added more new customers in a year than the total subscriber base of all other mobile digital technologies. In June 2006, the industry milestone of 2 billion GSM subscriptions worldwide was reached, including subscriptions to UMTS at 70 million, and in the past year, new GSM subscriptions accounted for more than 90 percent of all net new digital wireless customers.
»www.govtech.net/news/news.php?id=100821]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615613 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:18:25 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615572 yabos : I don't know from personal experience because A: I don't have a need for a smartphone yet and B: I live in Canada and the wireless providers rape us for data access. $100 for 100MB no joke.

But from what I've read a lot of places don't have 3G and all the people on slashdot saying they have the latest 3G smartphones say it's worse batterylife than the iPhone. I'm talking about it not even lasting a whole day without the battery dying. That's not really something I see Apple wanting to produce. Someone said on slashdot the Japanese phones are quite large compared to the little ones we have over here and I bet it has to do with the battery problem. They need a larger battery for 3G and Apple is all about slim form factors and elegant designs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615572 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:10:32 EDT Re: [rant] iPhone: What's the point with no high speed data? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615545 MarkyD :
said by yabos See Profile :

Well, there's not much 3G in the US as of yet so I don't see the problem really. That and most 3G phones have even worse battery life(from what I hear) than the iPhone reports to have. I'm sure when they bring it to Europe and Asia it'll probably be 3G. To compete in Asia they'll have to because all their phones are light years ahead of the North American phones.
show me one smart phone that has come out in the last year without a high speed data radio, be it HSPDA (Cingular) or EVDO (Sprint/Verizon/Alltel). They simply don't exist. Most major cities have EVDO or HSPDA, so there is no reason at all that the iPhone should not have this capability.
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Apple touts it as "a breakthrough Internet communications device," yet it doesn't have any broadband capability except for WiFi.

WiFi...Big deal...my Windows Mobile-based phone has that, PLUS EVDO high speed data. Mobile broadband is where it's at for the true business person. Who wants to wait for attachments to download on a dial-up speed connection? This equals more time downloading over the network...which in turn means much worse battery life...
WiFi is NOT everywhere. True mobile broadband access (3g) is needed to make this device relevant, IMO.

Not to mention the fact that Cingular has the worst broadband coverage of any of the big mobile carriers currently...They've hardly deployed HSPDA! Making this an exclusive launch was a pretty stupid move. They have alienated themselves from so many potential customers. My entire company of IT consultants would have switched to the iPhone if it had high speed connectivity and was available on a CDMA carrier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17615494 Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:53:06 EDT