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matt5
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Lagrangeville, NY | Proxy What happened to the proxy server? I know around here the high school blocks about 99% of the internet. If the word breast is on the website it’s blocked, be it porn or cancer. Even eBay is blocked and mlb.com etc.
She could go on popups and say the school should have done something to secure the computer.
As for all this OT junk. The U.S.A. was founded under god. Don't like it leave. Choice is also what it is founded under. Let their be prayer, if you don't want to say it, you don’t need to. What about those who want to pray, should they not be allowed to because others don’t? How is this now fair? | |
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1 edit | said by matt5:What happened to the proxy server? Ideally, schools would have them, but all of them don't because not all of them have the funds...
As for all this OT junk. The U.S.A. was founded under god. Don't like it leave. False dichotomy... Additionally, this nation was founded on the idea of religious freedom, meaning one could be whatever religion one did or did not want to be... The concept of the nation being "under God" is a Cold War creation to show that America was different from the Soviets.
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The USA was founded to escape government established religion. Our freedom of religion allows us to pray whenever we want. I wouldnt want the public school leading my kids in prayer or teaching them how to pratice their religion, would you trust teachings that might effect the fate of your child's eternal soul to the public school system? A friend mine who is a pretty religious guy, some sort of fundamentalist Chrisian, pentecostal or baptist I cant remember, anyway he was a supporter of prayer in public school. I asked him how he would feel if his children were taught to pray the Hail Mary and a bunch of Catholic doctrine that may conflict with what he is teaching them at home and in their own church, needless to say he changed his mind about prayer being led by public school officals. In my opinion keeping prayer out of public school isnt just to keep the atheist or muslim or hindu kid from feeling uncomfortable and feeling like they are having some other beliefs forced upon them. It protects the integrity of religion in general. Religion should be studied in public school, kids should learn about eachother's religions in a social studies class and they should be taught that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, no matter how silly it is. | |
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1 edit | reply to matt5
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The U.S.A. was founded under god. Don't like it leave.
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Choice is also what it is founded under.
Um, which one do you mean, the first statement or the second?
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said by bmn:said by matt5:What happened to the proxy server? Ideally, schools would have them, but all of them don't because not all of them have the funds... As for all this OT junk. The U.S.A. was founded under god. Don't like it leave. False dichotomy... Additionally, this nation was founded on the idea of religious freedom, meaning one could be whatever religion one did or did not want to be... The concept of the nation being "under God" is a Cold War creation to show that America was different from the Soviets. False dichotomy? No. Revisionist history? Yes, IMO, you are confusing, the Constitution of America with the Pledge of Allegiance. See the difference in these articles?
»www.usconstitution.net/
Congress, July 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed.
The Pledge of Allegiance
»www.homeofheroes.com/hallofheroe···dge.html
The last change in the Pledge of Allegiance occurred on June 14 (Flag Day), 1954 when President Dwight D. Eisenhower approved adding the words "under God". As he authorized this change he said:
quote:
"In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war."
I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all. June 14, 1954
In 1892, 1923, 1924 and 1954 the American people demonstrated enough concern about the actual words in the Pledge to make some necessary changes. Today there may be a tendency among many Americans to recite "by rote" with little thought for the words themselves. Let's examine these 31 words a little more thoroughly.
I Pledge Allegiance I Promise to be faithful and true (Promise my loyalty)
to the flag to the emblem that stands for and represents
of the United States all 50 states, each of them individual, and individually represented on the flag
of America yet formed into a UNION of one Nation.
and to the Republic And I also pledge my loyalty to the Government that is itself a Republic, a form of Government where the PEOPLE are sovereign, the PEOPLE are sovereign,
for which it stands, this government also being represented by the Flag to which I promise loyalty.
one Nation under God, These 50 individual states are united as a single Republic under the Divine providence of God, "our most powerful resource"
(according to the words of President Eisenhower)
Indivisible, and can not be separated. (This part of the original version of the pledge was written just 50 years after the beginning of the Civil War and demonstrates the unity sought in the years after that divisive period in our history)
with Liberty The people of this Nation being afforded the freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness",
and Justice And each person entitled to be treated justly, fairly, and according to proper law and principle,
for All. And these principles afforded to EVERY AMERICAN, regardless of race, religion, color, creed, or any other criteria. Just as the flag represents 50 individual states that can not be divided or separated, this Nation represents millions of people who can not be separated or divided.
Nice try though 
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hiatus | Try again... Learn the definition of a false dichotomy... "Don't like it leave it", as posted by the per I responded to, is one an often given example of a false dichotomy.
Revisionist history? Yes, IMO, you are confusing, the Constitution of America with the Pledge of Allegiance. See the difference in these articles? Actually, you and your opinion are wrong again... You have posted quotes from the Declaration of Independence, a document with NO legal force, and the Pledge of Allegiance... The US Constitution contains NO mention of a creator or religious figure. In fact, the Constitution is religiously agnostic document in the sense that it remains neutral to all religions or lack there of.
Nice try though
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| said by bmn:Actually, you and your opinion are wrong again... You have posted quotes from the Declaration of Independence, a document with NO legal force, and the Pledge of Allegiance... The US Constitution contains NO mention of a creator or religious figure. In fact, the Constitution is religiously agnostic document in the sense that it remains neutral to all religions or lack there of. Nice try though Yeah, I would tell you nice try though, but you can't even get your sources correct. The Declaration of Independence, has no legal force?
It proves the OP's statement, The U.S.A. was a Nation founded under God.
The Declaration of Independence, most certainly had the full legal force of America backing it up. The Declaration of Independence, came before the colonies drew up and adopted the Constitution, as we know it today.
The Declaration of Independence is seen as that document that established the new nation of the United States. The date of its formal acceptance by the Continental Congress, July 4, 1776, is celebrated each year in the U.S. with fireworks, parties, citizenship ceremonies, and baseball games. 1976, the two-hundredth anniversary of that date, was a giant party, the bicentennial, with a special quarter minted that year to help celebrate. »www.usconstitution.net/consttop_decl.html
The mention of God and Creator, has been firmly declared. therefore the Constitution picks up where the Declaration ends and further builds upon it. It's possible, the signers did not feel the need to go over the same issue twice.
»www.usconstitution.net/consttop_pre.html
The Constitution was written by several committees over the summer of 1787, but the committee most responsible for the final form we know today is the "Committee of Stile and Arrangement". This Committee was tasked with getting all of the articles and clauses agreed to by the Convention and putting them into a logical order. On September 10, 1787, the Committee of Style set to work, and two days later, it presented the Convention with its final draft. The members were Alexander Hamilton, William Johnson, Rufus King, James Madison, and Governor Morris. The actual text of the Preamble and of much of the rest of this final draft is usually attributed to Governor Morris.
We will have to agree to disagree on this issue. Thank you for replying 
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