Re: Many Changes at the FCC... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17632084 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:12:19 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:12:19 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17632084 PeterCollins : That's not really my point.

Regardless of who pays for it, we shouldn't be calling 200k down "broadband." It pains me to call 1.5 down broadband too, but if we're looking for a minimum it seems like a better place to start.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17632084 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:28:28 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631983 Asmodeus :
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and watch how quickly, just by raising the bandwidth rate from 200k to 1.5m, how many zip codes suddenly DON'T have access to "broadband."

I think that would be very telling...we may actually start to get a "closer to real" view of where we stand. Granted if only one person in the zip could get 1.5 down, you're still going to see misrepresentation, but it would be a start.
and then the costs get past down to you... the providers will never foot the bill in either case however broadband is catergorized...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631983 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:12:53 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17631368 bassthumpa : So 200kbps is broadband, and users can get this definition of broadband... but if the whole area can get this definition of broaband but nothing more, the area isn't "broadband ready", thus making it no longer broadband? That's silly.
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Ok. Then classify broadband as a Internet Connection of 200kbps, but do not classify the area 'broadband ready' if the only available speed is 200kbps.
That's fair enough. A true 'broadband ready' area has to have availability of speeds reaching 1.5Mb and beyond if you want to give an honest description. At the same time there should be a designation for areas that can only get lets say 128k-512k that say they are broadband ready, but at limited speeds. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628484 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:07:59 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628468 SRFireside : What ISP did you use for that 1Mb? Same as your 2Mb? Some ISP's have a higher latency due to the equipment they use or the saturation on their bandwidth (which can vary by the hour). Email, too, is dependent on either your ISP or whomever you get your email service from. Also how fast a web page loads depends on the ISP the web site is using and the kind of bandwidth available at the time, latency and such.

Most web sites only need 5k-10kbps to load up quickly. More graphic and multimedia intensive sites probably no more than 30k-40kbps to load fast. Downloads are they ONLY factor where a faster connection makes a difference, and even then it would depend on if the download site can bear the load. Many don't go much faster than 50kbps, and the good ones usually stick at 200k and lower.

Yes, there are places like BT and some sites that can kick downloads at 1Mb or higher. The point is there is absolutely no reason why a 256k connection cannot give somebody a good, fast Internet experience that can be indiscernible from faster connections when it's with the right provider. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628468 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:04:23 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628308 Rob :
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said by Rob See Profile :

2) Increase what is classified as "broadband" from 200kbps to at least 1.5mbps.
I disagree, that is really too high. Sure everyone here wants 1.5 minimum, but there are millions of folks to whom an always on 256k connection is just fine. Maybe they should classify different ranges of broadband or something, but I have no problem with 256k as a minimum.
Ok. Then classify broadband as a Internet Connection of 200kbps, but do not classify the area 'broadband ready' if the only available speed is 200kbps.
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said by Rob See Profile :

2) Increase what is classified as "broadband" from 200kbps to at least 1.5mbps.
I disagree, that is really too high. Sure everyone here wants 1.5 minimum, but there are millions of folks to whom an always on 256k connection is just fine. Maybe they should classify different ranges of broadband or something, but I have no problem with 256k as a minimum.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628284 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:32:52 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628245 Skippy25 : "Keep in mind most things done on the web are just as fast at 256k as they are for 6Mb."

Really? I certainly notice that I get my email, webpages, and downloads much quicker over a 3mb connection than I do over a 1mb connection.

Or wait, is email, web surfing, and downloads not still considered "most things" done on the web?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628245 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:24:32 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628244 ross : "As a nationwide average, we estimate that high-speed DSL connections were available to 78% of the households to whom incumbent LECs could provide local telephone service as of December 31, 2005, and that high-speed cable modem service was available to 93% of the households to whom cable system operators could provide cable TV service."

Sounds like this fairy tale is based on 200kbps "broadband", and if that's all you believe is needed, then, as in your myopically pedantic world, the Telco line is all you need to tow. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628244 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:23:59 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628129 OverModded :
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»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···93A1.pdf

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THANKS.

But I believe this statistic quoted in the same report is more relevant than 99% of ZipCodes have broadband stat.

As a nationwide average, we estimate that high-speed DSL connections were available to 78% of the households to whom incumbent LECs could provide local telephone service as of December 31, 2005, and that high-speed cable modem service was available to 93% of the households to whom cable system operators could provide cable TV service.

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I think that would be very telling...we may actually start to get a "closer to real" view of where we stand. Granted if only one person in the zip could get 1.5 down, you're still going to see misrepresentation, but it would be a start.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628030 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:45:35 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628003 OverModded :
said by Rob See Profile :

said by MASantangelo See Profile :

3) What is the current requirement? I've not heard much on it.
According to the FCC, if 1 person in a zip code qualifies for broadband, then the entire zip code is considered to be broadband ready.
I've seen this fact quoted often here in these BBR news items, but I have never seen it on the FCC web site. Does anyone have a link verifying this claim.
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2) Sorry to spoil it for ya, but 256k and up should still be considered broadband (albeit the slowest). The differences in speed between dialup and ISDN over that is quite noticeable. Plus 256k has been an offering for broadband for well over a decade, and not just from DSL. Fractional T1 lines and cable broadband are still offering this. Keep in mind most things done on the web are just as fast at 256k as they are for 6Mb.

3) Also agree. Maybe a slightly smaller percentage like 40% to give a fair compromise, but no more one-house-entire-zip-code tricks. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17628002 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:40:17 EDT Re: Many Changes at the FCC... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17627905 Rob :
said by MASantangelo See Profile :

That's just ridiculous...
Yep.
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said by OverModded See Profile :

said by Rob See Profile :

1) Remove the Chairman. The guy is a waste of our money.
They have no power to do so. In fact, the Dems signed off on Martin when he was reappointed.

If the Dems want to do something about the FCC, they should pass new laws. The trouble would be getting a veto-proof version thru the Senate. And w/o Repub concurrence on the new laws, that won't happen.
I know, it's wishful thinking. :)
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said by MASantangelo See Profile :

3) What is the current requirement? I've not heard much on it.
According to the FCC, if 1 person in a zip code qualifies for broadband, then the entire zip code is considered to be broadband ready.
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said by Rob See Profile :

1) Remove the Chairman. The guy is a waste of our money.
They have no power to do so. In fact, the Dems signed off on Martin when he was reappointed.

If the Dems want to do something about the FCC, they should pass new laws. The trouble would be getting a veto-proof version thru the Senate. And w/o Repub concurrence on the new laws, that won't happen.
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2) 2 at the minimum would be nice, I'll settle for 1 for now.
3) What is the current requirement? I've not heard much on it.
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2) Increase what is classified as "broadband" from 200kbps to at least 1.5mbps.
3) Redefine how the FCC determines if an area is broadband serviced by making it that at least 50% of a zip code qualifies for broadband.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17627695 Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:44:33 EDT