| What are they doing illegal? ISOHunt.com does not host any of the files. As I stated in a Pirate Bay thread they are just indexing files. The torrent engines don't host the files they just index them just like newzbin.com does. Someone find a law that says indexing information is illegal.
Oh wait don't do that cause then someone would have to sue the libraries for indexing the books they have. Or just sue sites for indexing the files they have available.
While were at suing and shutting down sites why not kill download.com they have an engine that indexes all of the files that can be downloaded.
Again the torrent search engines are just file indexing. Now show me a law that says that is illegal. |
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| said by XknightHawkX:ISOHunt.com does not host any of the files. As I stated in a Pirate Bay thread they are just indexing files. The torrent engines don't host the files they just index them just like newzbin.com does. Someone find a law that says indexing information is illegal. Several Supreme Court rulings have ruled that it is illegal, depending on intent. And companies founded to index copyrighted material were found illegal, even when they didn't host the data themselves. Do a search on Grokster sometime. In the meantime, here is a layman's discussion on the issue:
»www.internetnews.com/bus-news/ar···/3515776
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You wouldn't believe it if it was explained to you by your own lawyer. All this stuff is illegal violating the owner's right to profit from their stuff.
A Challenge:
On Pirate Bay, send me one link to a LEGAL file. I've been there so good luck finding any. I wanted to know what it was so I looked. Funny, I found DVDs for download including Superman Returns, X-Men III, etc. I also found pretty much every song iTunes has.
Ask those college kids that owe the RIAA if that search engine they created to search (including links to all their personal music available for download) was smart after accepting $14,000-20,000 in debt to them?
And, to most of you, why not just pay for your porn? Yes, porn was all over Pirate Bay. |
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West Lafayette, IN | torrents themselves aren't illegal. Running the tracker that a file refers to is in some places.
this one surely hasn't bothered anybody though »thepiratebay.org/tor/3307128/KNO···08-16-EN |
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laizure
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Mountain View, CA | reply to kyramilan
Yet another person throwing laws of the U.S. into others. The entire Earth has different laws of which some places this is 100% legal. |
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laizure
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Mountain View, CA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Come on show the actual document, act and location (what country) please!!!! |
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Dallas, TX | reply to kyramilan
By you own (and others') flawed definition, that would
also make Google illegal. They too index torrents. It
doesn't become "illegal" until someone actually tries to
download/upload the content that torrent indexes.
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you wanted a link to a legal file on pirate bay? Here goes
»thepiratebay.org/tor/3572075/AOL···_5.9.369 |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:Several Supreme Court rulings have ruled that it is illegal, depending on intent. And companies founded to index copyrighted material were found illegal, even when they didn't host the data themselves. Do a search on Grokster sometime. In the meantime, here is a layman's discussion on the issue: » www.internetnews.com/bus-news/ar···/3515776 TCH,
I understand you feel it is wrong for people not to pay for a movie or song, and I agree with you. I'm suspect deep down most people here feel it is wrong but have simply accepted within themselves that they are human, and that they have succumbed to temptation. But maybe my suspicion is wrong; I don't know.
But people have often pointed out that many (most?) of these tracker sites are not hosted in the US. I realize you are just answering the "show me a law.." question posed above, but you obviously feel US law is relevant. Do you feel US Supreme Court rulings or American "values" should be enforced on other countries?
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| said by Gogo1:TCH, Do you feel US Supreme Court rulings or American "values" should be enforced on other countries? US laws can't be enforced by US courts overseas. But MOST(not all) countries have signed onto WTO trade agreements that include provisions to enforce copyright laws in a reciprocal manner. So if a movie or song is copyrighted in the US, these countries have agreed to enforce US laws on intellectual property in their countries.
So, in effect, US laws have a "long arm" capability as a practical matter. Failure to enforce copyright laws would be a treaty violation and can result in economic sanctions against the country ignoring the WTO provisions.
That is one reason that the US has blocked Russian entry to the WTO. They won't get in unless they sign on to intellectual property provisions.
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1 edit | Well it is all very nice being part of the WTO and all but doesn't it all fall apart if the US expects countries to do their bit, but ignores the WTO herself when it suits her to "violate international trade law?" This article is dated March 2004: »www.nytimes.com/2004/03/26/techn···USERLAND
but did the US relax online gambling policy according to the WTO ruling? No, just a couple of months ago the Unlawful Internet Gaming Enforcement Act was signed into law.
This bit is interesting, particularly the quote from Rep. Bob Goodlatte:
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But the Bush administration vowed to appeal the decision, and several members of Congress said they would rather have an international trade war or withdraw from future rounds of the World Trade Organization than have American social policy dictated from abroad.
"It's appalling," said Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican. "It cannot be allowed to stand that another nation can impose its values on the U.S. and make it a trade issue."
"It cannot be allowed to stand that another nation can impose its values on the U.S." I think that's pretty disgusting hypocrisy.
It is for this kind of arrogance and double standard that America has become infamous and hated. She is indeed attempting to impose her values on other countries while herself doing as she pleases.
It can't be had both ways. It is no good the US ignoring WTO rulings she doesn't like, yet fully expecting these copyright infringement laws to be upheld. I'm not surprised these sites still exist and keep popping up.
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