Re: Unlimited in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17663541 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:53:08 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:53:08 EDT Re: Unlimited http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17666222 Snickerdo :
said by Maxo See Profile :

On the standard ADSL (not 2+ or anything like that) technology?
Correct. Bell in Eastern Canada won't sell anything more than 800 up, but Telus in Western Canada has full 1M up products, or at least did anyway.
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said by Snickerdo See Profile :

said by Maxo See Profile :

The theoretical limit is 1.0M but nobody is ever going to see that sort of upload on DSL and maintain reliability.
We have had absolutely no problems running full 1.0M on the upstream path in this country. Perhaps your telcos just suck?
On the standard ADSL (not 2+ or anything like that) technology?
I wouldn't have said so before a few months ago, but I'm quite tired of my ISP right now.
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said by Maxo See Profile :

The theoretical limit is 1.0M but nobody is ever going to see that sort of upload on DSL and maintain reliability.
We have had absolutely no problems running full 1.0M on the upstream path in this country. Perhaps your telcos just suck?
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said by kamm See Profile :

That's ADSL2+ and it's in daily use outside of US, f.e. in Europe.
ADSL2+ is also being widely deployed in Canada, albeit without the higher upload speed option (3Mbit/s) because to get the higher upload speed, you have to kill the voice spectrum. No telco wants to kill the voice spectrum, especially when it can cause issues with neighbouring pairs on the same drop. As it stands now, the maximum Bell offers is 16/1.
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said by Zak3056 See Profile :

Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken.
HDSL/SHDSL are absolutely nothing like ADSL. Sure, you may get symmetrical 1.5Mbut/s out of HDSL and 4Mbit/s out of HDSL, but you're killing the voice spectrum on the DSL pair, killing the voice spectrum on any pairs next to the DSL pair, and getting 'only' 1.5-4Mbit/s down when ADSL2 is getting 24.
That's ADSL2+ and it's in daily use outside of US, f.e. in Europe.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17663864 Thu, 18 Jan 2007 09:45:26 EDT Re: Unlimited http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17663541 Maxo : 768kbps is the max DSL will run at for upload. Zak3056 See Profile is the one who is mistaken. The DS, OC, or T1 lines feeding your CO may provide higher uploads, but the DSL technology can't feed that bandwidth between the CO/RT and your house. The theoretical limit is 1.0M but nobody is ever going to see that sort of upload on DSL and maintain reliability.
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said by Zak3056 See Profile :

Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken.
HDSL/SHDSL are absolutely nothing like ADSL. Sure, you may get symmetrical 1.5Mbit/s out of HDSL and 4Mbit/s out of SHDSL, but you're killing the voice spectrum on the DSL pair, killing the voice spectrum on any pairs next to the DSL pair, and getting 'only' 1.5-4Mbit/s down when ADSL2 is getting 24.
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said by Zak3056 See Profile :

DSL's limit is close to being reached with SBC's 768 up
Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken.
Isn't your typical residential ADSL limit around 8/1?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17661074 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:59:43 EDT Re: Unlimited http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17660905 Zak3056 :
DSL's limit is close to being reached with SBC's 768 up
Since most DS-1s these days are delivered over HDSL, I would have to say that you are mistaken.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17660905 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:30:05 EDT Re: Unlimited http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17660824 thender2 :
said by ninjatutle See Profile :

BT and stuff like that is why we have these slow uploads and not much better options for music and movies in a digital format.
BT has nothing to do with slow uploads. DSL's limit is close to being reached with SBC's 768 up, and verizon's, who do it affordably, and they don't cap. Verizon FIOS gives me 9.5 mbps up - no caps!

It's your ISP.

Music and movies aren't in a digital format because the industry won't release it unless it's 100% controllable. The only way to make it 100% controllable is to make it 100% unwantable(see HDCP, DRM, etc), so that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Blame the people responsible. It's the ISP limiting your speed, and it's the MPAA/RIAA preventing video and music from being released digitally in good quality.

Perhaps the ISP is actually unable to profit if they give you a higher upstream, but that is still on the ISP - not bittorrent. Bittorrent is a way to use your upstream. There are many ways to use your upstream. I can send files to work, I can send files to friends, I can upload attachments here. Shall we blame every use of bandwidth for the crippled ISP's inability to offer higher upstreams?

P.S.

You forgot to blame bittorrent for bad sales and the dreaded cable ISP nighttime slowdown. :)
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+2 for USA

Stop comparing Japon and Korea to USA. Don't degrade our status.

BT and stuff like that is why we have these slow uploads and not much better options for music and movies in a digital format. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17660652 Wed, 17 Jan 2007 18:51:57 EDT