 AlpinePremium
join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA | reply to karlmarx
Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits Ah, the rantings of those who don't have the balls to admit they're stealing.
The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.
I admit, I've used software without permission in the past. But at least I also have the guts to admit it's wrong...
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join:2002-01-30
Valley Stream, NY | Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. I use it to download TV shows, because I am too lazy to rip them from TV myself so I can watch them when I'm bored.
But I don't justify DVD piracy. After all they are available for reasonable price either in permanent format or temporary PPV or similar.
Music piracy is other story. RIAA charges WAY TOO MUCH for music and I refuse to pay. I also refuse to buy DRM infected songs that I can't play in any device I own. I'm yet to listen to good argument why CDs costs almost as much as DVDs when their production costs are not even close.
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Plano, TX | reply to Alpine
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said by Tomek:Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. I use it to download TV shows, because I am too lazy to rip them from TV myself so I can watch them when I'm bored. But I don't justify DVD piracy. After all they are available for reasonable price either in permanent format or temporary PPV or similar. Music piracy is other story. RIAA charges WAY TOO MUCH for music and I refuse to pay. I also refuse to buy DRM infected songs that I can't play in any device I own. I'm yet to listen to good argument why CDs costs almost as much as DVDs when their production costs are not even close. And this justifies stealing? How about this instead...DON'T LISTEN TO THE MUSIC AT ALL OR WATCH THE TV SHOW. BOYCOTT.
I don't agree with the **AA tactics, but I also don't believe in copyright infringement. So, I split the difference. They don't get any of my money...and I do something else instead of watch/listen to their crap. |
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TomekPremium
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Valley Stream, NY | Define stealing.
If taping tv shows using VCR is legal, then what's the difference between downloading and watching it on pre-recorded VHS.
I agree that downloading other stuff is illegal (not stealing), but what if it is the only way to get the stuff.
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I don't download music/movies, I purchase those because I don't feel "entitled" to them.
Downloading a TV show I missed is different. I do that. I also download HB0 Shows (Rome, Sopranos), but once again I subscribe to the HBO network. I download the episodes I miss and watch them on my laptop, and usually delete them when I am done to conserve space. I personally don't see a difference between that and my VCR. I have one DVR and that's enough. I am not paying for two...I personally wouldn't own one but my wife likes it.
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well isnt that what the freakin RIAA is doing freakin money hungry pigs is what they R i mean ya that stuff is wrong but if ur an artist and u sign with the RIAA record lables u are just signing ur life to the damn devil |
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Tulsa, OK | reply to Alpine
a hahahahaha.....ah yes when all else fails its "morally wrong"
Well, I'm glad I dont carry your morals.
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said by Tomek:Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified. Pirate Bay is NOT just a place you may find "Pirated Files" there are alot of Legit file linkage that groups & Businesses use for a variety of reasons. I think there name "Pirate Bay" sometimes gives users the impression that its ONLY use is for pirated software/files and this is NOT true at all.
As for Copyright Laws, U.S. Copyright Laws are NOT enforceable in many countries. For whatever ignorant reason, many people ASSUME that laws of the U.S. are laws everywhere. |
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join:2001-12-26
Windsor, PA | reply to Alpine
said by Alpine:Ah, the rantings of those who don't have the balls to admit they're stealing. The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind. I admit, I've used software without permission in the past. But at least I also have the guts to admit it's wrong... Adam Just like when the US government takes money out of your weekly wages as a income tax and uses it without your permission...you know that paying income tax in voluntary adn there is no law making it legal for the government to do such a thing. |
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by Alpine:The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind. From a moral standpoint you are correct. However morality is not the same as legality (thankfully). Where TPB is located, it's legal for what they are doing because they are not hosting the data. They may be enabling people to pirate content, but they aren't the ones that are uploading the bits and pieces. They are more then just a search engine, but they are less then hosting the files themselves.
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1 edit | said by cdru: Where TPB is located, it's legal for what they are doing because they are not hosting the data. They may be enabling people to pirate content, but they aren't the ones that are uploading the bits and pieces. When lots of money is involved and the law doesn't protect those with the money(stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests. Bet your life on it, even in Sweden, or anywhere else for that matter.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:When lots of money is involved Define lots of money. Is it lost revenues? Every pro-RIAA/MPAA source that has conducted some type of a "cost of piracy" greatly inflates the true cost. RIAA claims piracy costs them $150k per infringement. For $60/year you can get all you can listen to music from Yahoo Music. $150k is a lot of money. $60/year isn't.
They (RIAA/MPAA/etc) also claim that piracy costs them sales. BS I say. In many cases those "lost sales" would not necessarily translated into actual sales. Sure some of them will. But I betcha most wouldn't. And in more then a few cases I bet people who did pirate a song have gone out and purchased a CD or other type of legitimate sale because they like what they heard. You can't just look at a lost sale as lost money. If you did libraries would be illegal as well.
and the law doesn't protect those with the money (stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests. Possibly. But we can't deal with the future. We can only deal with the present. Until then, it won't be illegal to host trackers (at least in Sweden).
By the way, have you ever really seen an actual stockholder complaining/suing about lost dividends due to piracy?
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said by MuzikDude :
As for Copyright Laws, U.S. Copyright Laws are NOT enforceable in many countries. For whatever ignorant reason, many people ASSUME that laws of the U.S. are laws everywhere.
See this to answer your above statements:
»Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits
And since MOST countries are part of the WTO and must follow the rules by treaty, these countries all had to pass copyright laws very similar to US copyright laws to be a member and meet treaty obligations. See this WTO document on Intellectual Property Rights to see what is involved and what governments have agreed to: »www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tri···m2_e.htm
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Niagara Falls, ON | said by fAcEtIOUs:And since MOST countries are part of the WTO and must follow the rules by treaty, these countries all had to pass copyright laws very similar to US copyright laws to be a member and meet treaty obligations. See this WTO document on Intellectual Property Rights to see what is involved and what governments have agreed to: » www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tri···m2_e.htm BZZT, Wrong again. Canada is quite clearly a member of the WTO, and our laws are considerably different than what the United States has. In addition, any potential changes to the law either get shelved by parliament, or defeated.
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ditka_bPremium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | reply to scrummie02
Technically even tho you pay for the channel you are stealing, They believe removing the commercials breaks any contract you have by paying for the channel.
So in effect you are no better than someone downloading movies.
Now if you downloaded the episodes legally from say Itunes you could legally watch them without commercials. |
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SnickerdoPremium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | said by ditka_b:Technically even tho you pay for the channel you are stealing, They believe removing the commercials breaks any contract you have by paying for the channel Contract? Excuse me, but no one put a contract before me and made me sign before I received off-air analog and digital television. They can argue the removal of commercials all they want, though it's a poor argument. I can just as easily record the TV show to a DVD without recording the commercials, or hit FF on my PVR when watching the shows I recorded on my own at a time of my choice. Download the TV shows is absolutely no different.
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ditka_bPremium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | It's illegal to download TV shows with out paying or being granted a free download by the network.
No matter how you word it or how strongly you deny it. You break the law downloading shows. In doing so you are no better than the rest lol |
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SnickerdoPremium
join:2001-02-28
Niagara Falls, ON | said by ditka_b:It's illegal to download TV shows with out paying or being granted a free download by the network. No matter how you word it or how strongly you deny it. You break the law downloading shows. In doing so you are no better than the rest lol Actually, where I am, it is perfectly legal - and has been tested in the courts - that downloading itself is not a crime. I will continue to download TV shows off the net, knowing I'm breaking no laws, being quite content with my own morality, and go to sleep easy knowing that despite the fact that the world is filled with morons, I am not one of them.
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ditka_bPremium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | Congrats I did not realize you were canadian. Hows that cdr and dvdr tax treating you? That's what pays for your lienient laws on copyrights isnt it?
If you are calling me a moron more power to you lol |
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