Topic 'Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17670318 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:00:49 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:00:49 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17685602 said by ThrowDemsOut:

You think? Not based on your posts.Oh with wit like that, you could outsmart a six year old :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17685602 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:20:05 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17684872
Whatever's to their advantage is right, and whatever's to their disadvantage is wrong. The latest term for this is "Moral Relativism" as the "absolutes" of right and wrong will shift as circumstances shift. Some people equate it with hypocrisy, because it incorporates the idea that something done by one person or group of people may be denounced as outright evil, but it's tolerated or accepted when the "chosen" do the same thing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17684872 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:18:14 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17684994 said by ThrowDemsOut:

Instead of buying an island somewhere, The Pirate Bay should save their money to defend themselves from the inevitable civil and criminal actions headed their way. They may need that money to keep themselves out of jail.
to the moderator who edited my post, do you think you can give me a heads up before you alter the words i've used so i can at least have the opportunity to justify their use...? because if you alter what i've said then the entire context of the post loses it's meaning... think about it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17684994 Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:32:35 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17684219 said by Snickerdo:

Okay, by that same token, I could call you a moron. Sure, I may have no actual backing to call you a moron, but it is what I think.
You think? Not based on your posts.
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The difference is merely semantics by those who don't like people calling what they are doing thievery. They hang their defense of their immoral actions on technical legal definitions.Okay, by that same token, I could call you a moron. Sure, I may have no actual backing to call you a moron, but it is what I think. The same thing applies to your whole moral/theft argument. Just because you think it is theft, doesn't mean those around you consider it the same.
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Also stop saying stealing, there is a drastic difference between depriving an owner of physical property and depriving an owner of potential revenue on an intangible product.
The difference is merely semantics by those who don't like people calling what they are doing thievery. They hang their defense of their immoral actions on technical legal definitions.
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Amen to that brother

Damn beautiful post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17680528 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:09:47 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17680443 said by apollo80:

Bush, GOES through UN, attacks Iraq, gets rid of evil ruler = BAD.Last time I checked, Bush did not go through the UN.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17680443 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:53:52 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17677683 Pirate Bay does is not illegal.

This is true. In the country in which Pirate Bay operates they are not breaking any laws.

What the users do, on the other hand, is a different matter and varies by country. Clearly anyone in the US could potentially be sued.
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Mythtv Allows simple video editing to remove commercials, so people who build their own DVR using MythTV are thieves?

Why pay iTunes for a TV show that I can get free through my DVR/VCR/MYthTV?

IF you want to believe the hype about not watching commercials is stealing go right ahead and watch them. I prefer to watch TV on my terms.
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When lots of money is involved and the law doesn't protect those with the money(stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests. Bet your life on it, even in Sweden, or anywhere else for that matter.Do you actually believe what you say? Sure, you'll get lobby groups who attempt to have laws changed and pay off politicians to suit their needs, but countries with a backbone don't give in to such stupid things. Government is there to serve and protect the needs of the people, not the needs of the corporations who are already rolling in money.
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I break at least 1 law nearly every day and could give a crap less.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17676575 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 08:01:41 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17676290
I like France. It's a beautiful country.

I'm sure I'll now be called a pinko by these children.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17676290 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 04:36:30 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17676016 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17676016 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:56:52 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17676012 said by ditka_b:

You might consider whining about something less paltry than a 1.99 fee that you don't even have to pay. I'll gladly pay the fee for both my core 2 duo laptops from Apple and not whine nor call others names.
And I'll also relish every day that I get to live in the USA.... wrong thread, dude.
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Congrats I did not realize you were canadian. Hows that cdr and dvdr tax treating you? That's what pays for your lienient laws on copyrights isnt it?
If you are calling me a moron more power to you lolThe levy is only on CD-Rs - DVD-Rs are exempt and are actually cheaper to buy then CD-Rs. Such a levy also exists in the United States, but only on 'audio' CD-Rs and standalone CD recorders. In Canada, there is a (smaller) levy applied to all recordable CD-R discs. Most people consider a paltry penance on a 700MB disc to be a small price to pay to not have to deal with the same bullshit that goes on in the USA, and many a judge has ruled that the fact that the levy exists means that, in affect, we are paying for the right to copy and distribute music to friends and family on a recordable CD and therefore it is not considered infringement. More information on the recording levy is available at the following URL:

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_co···y#Canada

Canadian judges - the people who interpret and set common law - aren't elected, and therefore aren't a target of lobby groups, and as a result they tend to make much more sane decisions about our rights and how they exist in the bounds of the law. You'll noticed that one such judge ruled that the levy no longer applied to MP3 players, such as the iPod.

As for the moron comment, I didn't call anyone a moron specifically, but if the shoe fits...
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It's illegal to download TV shows with out paying or being granted a free download by the network.
No matter how you word it or how strongly you deny it. You break the law downloading shows. In doing so you are no better than the rest lolActually, where I am, it is perfectly legal - and has been tested in the courts - that downloading itself is not a crime. I will continue to download TV shows off the net, knowing I'm breaking no laws, being quite content with my own morality, and go to sleep easy knowing that despite the fact that the world is filled with morons, I am not one of them.
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It is amazing how many people hate America in America but doesn't have the kahunas to head to the beloved land of pacifism called France.It is amazing they don't pack up and leave.I guess there is no incentive to leave, when they can simply vote Liberal Democrats into office. The Liberal Democrats, have a play book borrowed straight from France and a page from every communist, socialist, Marxist, left wing nut job on the planet

said by kyramilan:

International copyright laws do exist. And, I'm sure countries other than the U.S. like to protect their music and movies as well.
How long and how loud, do you suppose these very same people would cry, if it was their work, music or movies were being infringed? IMO, it would be a lot louder than they cry now because of pressure being applied. I call it the, take me, show me, buy me, give me, get me I want it free, entitlement generation.

said by kyramilan:

When Putin is sick of AllofMP3.com, it'll disappear and the people running it will be off to the gulag.
Maybe back in the 90's or 20th century. Putin does not operate in that mode. Today radiation "treatment" is in. Putin's motto is "make them glow", this way it's much easier for the KGB or Speznatz to pick them up at night. :D

said by kyramilan:

Hate to say it, even if record companies put NO DRM, people would still steal anyway.
Sure they would, just because they can.

said by kyramilan:

I do think downloading a DVD is stupid when the price is the same at WalMart (or even less sometimes).
Even cheaper if one digs around in video rental stores for pre watched DVD's.

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People should care about other people ripping off our music and television. One of America's largest exports is our culture. It is a huge economy for us. But I guess that's a little to much for a rich white spoiled college kid to understand. Go work on your Walmart protest signs in your drum circle.Oh please, get off your soap box. America may be a service economy in the status quo, but that doesn't mean our cultural exports will be the breaking point for us. I also love the rich white college kids stereotype - nice one. I love the people that post pretending to have some superior sense of moral high ground, especially over stereotyped groups like "rich white college kids." Apparently coming from priveledge and education discredits ones' opinions on resisting corporate oppression.

To the above posters, STOP, you know what you are doing: you are trying to turn this into a Bush discussion. You are associating people who are anti xxAA as being members of the Bushism phenominon. Nice try, but it isn't going to work. The xxAA's history of price fixing and abuse of the court system for their own means and to stifle technological progress gives us firm ground for opposing them. The fact that someone downloads music (it is legal so far I might add) doesn't mean they are a hipocrit. Yes, the situation is fishy, but that is because you assume people shouldn't be able to enjoy art just because they don't agree with the philosophy of the makers. Well guess what, the RIAA doesn't exactly ignore people that refuse to pay them "protection", so in effect they are in some way most likely preventing art from reaching me. Their consistent abuse of the legal system resolves us to not play by their rules. Why should I play the martyr. Also, stop picking on Karlmarx, he may sound like an ignorant Bushism, crypto marxist troll, but he has arguments. Just answer them and move on. There is no need to make generalizations about entire groups of people and of his own personal background just because he fits a certain psychological archetype.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17675670 Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:13:38 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17675620 No matter how you word it or how strongly you deny it. You break the law downloading shows. In doing so you are no better than the rest lol]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17675620 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:58:19 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17675454 said by ditka_b:

Technically even tho you pay for the channel you are stealing, They believe removing the commercials breaks any contract you have by paying for the channelContract? Excuse me, but no one put a contract before me and made me sign before I received off-air analog and digital television. They can argue the removal of commercials all they want, though it's a poor argument. I can just as easily record the TV show to a DVD without recording the commercials, or hit FF on my PVR when watching the shows I recorded on my own at a time of my choice. Download the TV shows is absolutely no different.
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Now if you downloaded the episodes legally from say Itunes you could legally watch them without commercials.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17675369 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 23:05:55 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17675234 said by ThrowDemsOut:

And since MOST countries are part of the WTO and must follow the rules by treaty, these countries all had to pass copyright laws very similar to US copyright laws to be a member and meet treaty obligations. See this WTO document on Intellectual Property Rights to see what is involved and what governments have agreed to: »www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tri···m2_e.htmBZZT, Wrong again. Canada is quite clearly a member of the WTO, and our laws are considerably different than what the United States has. In addition, any potential changes to the law either get shelved by parliament, or defeated.
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As for Copyright Laws, U.S. Copyright Laws are NOT enforceable in many countries. For whatever ignorant reason, many people ASSUME that laws of the U.S. are laws everywhere.
See this to answer your above statements:
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And since MOST countries are part of the WTO and must follow the rules by treaty, these countries all had to pass copyright laws very similar to US copyright laws to be a member and meet treaty obligations. See this WTO document on Intellectual Property Rights to see what is involved and what governments have agreed to: »www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/tri···m2_e.htm
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My T-SHIRT is Hugo Rafael Chávez, NOT Che Guevera.
Close enough.

I don't see Chavez bowing to any pressure from Dubyah. In fact, Chavez provides discount oil in my town, courtesy of Joe Kennedy. Why should Venezuela, or any country, care about US copyright laws? What benefit does ANY person who lives outside of the US see by enforcing US laws?
Other countries do benefit in this area, since copyright treaties or agreements also protect the copyright holders in their own country. For instance, Sweden has a pretty large biotech industry; should US pharmacuetical companies be allowed to simply ignore their copyright and produce drugs that Swedish companies paid many millions (or perhaps billions) of dollars to develop? Why would the US honor Swedish copyrights if they didn't honor ours?

Sweden already strenthened their copyright law in 2005; even if Pirate Bay is currently not in violation of the current law, that can change with a stroke of the pen or a court ruling (as I understand, the Swedish Supreme Court hasn't ruled on the matter as it pertains to Pirate Bay yet).

I suppose Pirate Bay could move to a country that isn't a signatory of the relevant treaty, but most developed (and some not so developed) countries are already signatories to the WIPO.

Unfortunately for Hugo, paranoid rants, thuggery and name-calling aren't eligible for copyright protection.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17673233 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:00:38 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17673215 said by wentlanc:

Thank you!!!

I'm definitely not a fanatical liberal by any means. But we are spending TONS of money to support the "War on terror" which is making corporations, like Haliburton, and UnoCal, gobs of cash, all in the guise of "National Security".

But with millions of illegals working in the US completely UNKNOWN to the gov, how many of them have alternative motives? And we aren't doing anything to slow their ingress. Sorry, all the bombs, and bullets in Iraq are not fixing that one single bit.

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Ah, yes, that's right. War on terror is a front for corproate america.

Here's a fact that isn't reported broadly in the news.

Profit PERMITTED to be earned by oil companies by US Govermnemt on a gallon of gas. = 9 cents. Oil companies are highly regulated.

National average of state/federal gax tax on a gallon of gas = 40 cents.

Oil companies have had record profits. But, then again, look at the revenue of the government. The federal tax on gas is 18.9 cents a gallon. Wow. The federal and state goverment make much more than corporate american on a gallon of gas.

Don't hear you complaining about that...

Part of the reason almost nothing is being done about illegal immigration, is BOTH parties look at them as potential voters in the future. Can't make a potential voting block mad, can you? BOTH parties are guilty there. And I do agree with you that illegal immigration is a huge problem.

Yep, bullets and bombs in Iraq aren't helping the illegal immigration problem. But since illegal immigration and the War on Terror are apples and oranges, I guess it can't. Neither can the lefts war on the right, the rights war on the left, the war on hunger, the war on AIDS, etc....different wars, my friend.

Do you agree we should have troops on the borders? Hey, how about we take troops out of France and Germany and put them on our borders? I'm all for that !!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17673215 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:58:04 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672183 said by Tomek:

Most of the time downloading torrents from the pirate bay is illegal, but often I find it justified.
Pirate Bay is NOT just a place you may find "Pirated Files" there are alot of Legit file linkage that groups & Businesses use for a variety of reasons. I think there name "Pirate Bay" sometimes gives users the impression that its ONLY use is for pirated software/files and this is NOT true at all.

As for Copyright Laws, U.S. Copyright Laws are NOT enforceable in many countries. For whatever ignorant reason, many people ASSUME that laws of the U.S. are laws everywhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672183 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:51:25 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17673162 said by pnh102:

said by apollo80:

Clinton, doesn't go through UN, attacks Kosovo, gets rid of evil ruler = OK.
Fixed it for you.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milosevic#···esidency
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And while we are securing our pipeline, MILLIONS of people are crossing our borders every year from Mexico. Glad we are killing innocent people in far away lands though. Make me feel safer knowing that we are keeping the bad guys out.... :uhh:

The american people are dying a little every day with more and more illegals coming into this country. Lowering the bar for wages. Not contributing into the system that provides assistance back to them. People are starving in our own country. People are in record debt, while corporations like the RIAA, MPAA, oil companies, etc., are making money hand over fist. When do we stop gallavanting around the world, and start worrying about the real issues right here at home?

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Wow, we actually agree on something. Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem in this country. So you support troops on our borders, too? I'm glad we agree.

Yep, people are starving in our country in the masses, like North Korea. That's why we have such an obesity problem in the US. Yep, that makes sense. Let's compare our system with North Korea, shall we? Or do we bother? N. Korea vs. USA, where would you rather live? We are such a terrible nation...that's why all those illegal immigrants are coming here, right? I don't see people fleeing the USA...this is the most prosperous land in the world. And we feel guilty about it, don't we? We shouldn't be so prosperous. We don't care about anyone else. That's why we are the most generous country in the world. Yep, you got me there.

Real issues at home? The **AA is the real issue at home, not whether or not a terrorist wants to detonate a nuke inside our country. You are SO RIGHT. The **AA IS THE REAL ISSUE HERE. And when the liberals controlled the house, senate, and presidency from 1992-1994, that must have been the most prosperous time ever. Because the liberals want to take care of us. Or, was it because after 1994, the Republicans took back the house and senate because people got sick and tired of the liberal lies?

Hmm...isn't unemployment at incredible lows?

When everyone was upset 4 years ago when unemployment was at 6%, nobody stopped to state that unemployment, under Clinton, during HIS first two years, was...6%. Never heard people complain about that.

So let me ask you...if we can't, or shouldn't, win the war on terror, what good does LOSING it mean? How will it help the USA to lose the war on terror? Will we prosper after we've LOST the war?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17673089 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:35:39 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17673020 said by ThrowDemsOut:

When lots of money is involvedDefine lots of money. Is it lost revenues? Every pro-RIAA/MPAA source that has conducted some type of a "cost of piracy" greatly inflates the true cost. RIAA claims piracy costs them $150k per infringement. For $60/year you can get all you can listen to music from Yahoo Music. $150k is a lot of money. $60/year isn't.

They (RIAA/MPAA/etc) also claim that piracy costs them sales. BS I say. In many cases those "lost sales" would not necessarily translated into actual sales. Sure some of them will. But I betcha most wouldn't. And in more then a few cases I bet people who did pirate a song have gone out and purchased a CD or other type of legitimate sale because they like what they heard. You can't just look at a lost sale as lost money. If you did libraries would be illegal as well.

and the law doesn't protect those with the money (stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests.
Possibly. But we can't deal with the future. We can only deal with the present. Until then, it won't be illegal to host trackers (at least in Sweden).

By the way, have you ever really seen an actual stockholder complaining/suing about lost dividends due to piracy?
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Where TPB is located, it's legal for what they are doing because they are not hosting the data. They may be enabling people to pirate content, but they aren't the ones that are uploading the bits and pieces.
When lots of money is involved and the law doesn't protect those with the money(stockholders of music & movie studios), the law will soon be changed to protect their interests. Bet your life on it, even in Sweden, or anywhere else for that matter.
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The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.From a moral standpoint you are correct. However morality is not the same as legality (thankfully). Where TPB is located, it's legal for what they are doing because they are not hosting the data. They may be enabling people to pirate content, but they aren't the ones that are uploading the bits and pieces. They are more then just a search engine, but they are less then hosting the files themselves.
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Ah, the rantings of those who don't have the balls to admit they're stealing.

The laws are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. You're taking the work someone else produces for a living and using it without permission or payment. It's morally wrong, regardless of what weak legal "argument" you'd like to run and hide behind.

I admit, I've used software without permission in the past. But at least I also have the guts to admit it's wrong...

Adam
Just like when the US government takes money out of your weekly wages as a income tax and uses it without your permission...you know that paying income tax in voluntary adn there is no law making it legal for the government to do such a thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672558 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:23:08 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17671913 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17671913 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:06:01 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672416
I'm definitely not a fanatical liberal by any means. But we are spending TONS of money to support the "War on terror" which is making corporations, like Haliburton, and UnoCal, gobs of cash, all in the guise of "National Security".

But with millions of illegals working in the US completely UNKNOWN to the gov, how many of them have alternative motives? And we aren't doing anything to slow their ingress. Sorry, all the bombs, and bullets in Iraq are not fixing that one single bit.

puritan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672416 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:04:36 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672379 said by apollo80:

Clinton, doesn't go through UN, attacks Kosovo, gets rid of evil ruler = OK. Fixed it for you.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milosevic#···esidency
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»www.reason.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672221 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:36:40 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672206
he's still a "II" though..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672206 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:34:24 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672196
The american people are dying a little every day with more and more illegals coming into this country. Lowering the bar for wages. Not contributing into the system that provides assistance back to them. People are starving in our own country. People are in record debt, while corporations like the RIAA, MPAA, oil companies, etc., are making money hand over fist. When do we stop gallavanting around the world, and start worrying about the real issues right here at home?

puritan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672196 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:33:00 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672149
»www.citizensenergy.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672149 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:27:33 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672056 said by karlmarx:

Let's get this straight. What the pirate bay does IS NOT ILLEGAL. Much to this poster's dismay, the US ISN'T the president of the world. No, Dubyah has ensured that everyone hates us. But, again, what they do isn't illegal, because the **AA's haven't managed to purchase the government like they have in the US. They don't need the money to stay out of jail, because, they are never going TO jail.
you do understand that just about everything your ever said on here is mostly factless, moonbat leftist gibberish that is about as credible as a hang nail on an amputee, don't you...?

my edit: to the moderator who edited my post, do you think you can give me a heads up before you alter the words i've used so i can at least have the opportunity to justify their use...? because if you alter what i've said then the entire context of the post loses it's meaning... think about it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672056 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:13:28 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672042 said by wentlanc:

Since you brought it up....

How can you consider what we are doing defense? Sure sounds like we are on the attack. Not defending. The defending should be done on our soil. This "war on terror" is an immeasurable, and un-winable "war" at best. Call it what it truely is.. It's protection for the pipeline that the US so desperately desire.

»www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/front.htm

Enjoy!

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Hmmm...how can what we are doing be considered defense, what, because we took the war on the OFFENSIVE instead?
So, with your take on it, we need to wait to get hit ala 9/11 again before we do anything else. I guess it would take another 9/11, biological, chemical, or nuclear attack, then, huh? How many thousands, or millions, need to die on OUR SOIL before we do anything else? What we will hear from you liberals is "Bush didn't do anything to defend this country". You liberals have one religion, LIBERALISM. And all you want to do is defeat Bush. Why is it when the democrats suggested more troops for the War on Terror, and now Bush wants more, the Democrats NOW say, NO?!!! Politics. Why is it Charles Rangle put up a bill to bring back the draft a couple of years ago (he tried it again recently), but the bill was voted down, and Rangle voted AGAINST his OWN BILL? Politics. Dems want their power, and don't care about what else happens. They want to run it for their gain, and don't care what happens to the rest of the country. If you liberals would fight the War on Terror like you do Bush, we would have already won the war.

With your logic, I guess the US owes Germany an apology for WWII. We went to war with Germany after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. GERMANY didn't attack us, JAPAN did. I guess the war should have been confined only to Japan, and excluded Germany. I suppose both FDR and Truman need to be impeached for fighting an unjust war.

And why is it that nobody is making a stink about Clinton going into Kosovo? HMMM??? He didn't go throught the UN like Bush did, and he used NATO forces to bomb the country. Nobody on the left fought him on that.

Let's see....

Clinton, doesn't go through UN, attacks Kosovo, gets rid of evil ruler = OK.

Bush, GOES through UN, attacks Iraq, gets rid of evil ruler = BAD.

Yep, that logic makes sense.

Unwinnable war? Yep, its unwinnable. So let's surrender now and start learning the Koran. We have no choice but to fight the war. The alternative would be horrible. You know this thing called free speech that you and I are doing now? We would both be executed for typing these messages.

Oil? How many times do we have to hear the oil theroy from you liberals? If that were the case, why is gas still expensive? Why haven't we tapped into the Middle Eastern oil flow and started cranking out oil for ourselves directly versus letting Iraq handle it themselves and use the revenue generated to rebuild their country?

You libs are way to predicable.

So why not do us a favor and surrender, or pull a Alex Baldwin and move out of the country (oh, wait, he didn't. That's because the US is a lot more comfortable than living under a dictatorship).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672042 Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:10:26 EDT Re: Pirate Bay should save money for defending lawsuits http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pirate-Bay-should-save-money-for-defending-lawsuits-17672041 said by scrummie02:

You must be thinking of Good ole Ted "Chappaquiddick" Kennedy. I would like to say even he has his limits, but I don't think he does.Gurgle Gurgle! SPLASH!

The more of Hugo Chavez' oil that Massachusetts imports, the less of a need there will be for windmills on Cape Cod :)
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Well, I'm glad I dont carry your morals.
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