warlockd
join:2002-07-08
Arlington, TX
| reply to DaDrgon
Re: How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
Just had the installer set up this last Friday in Plano, TX. He told me point blank that they were not allowed to enable the Ethernet jack as well as telling me that you can't have TV and the Ethernet port on at the same time.
He seemed knowledgeable about the install, but he might of not known about the underlying technologies.
This also could be more because of Auction Tech's contract with Verison. Maybe it’s more political than technical.
PS - Thanks for the FAQ! My bridge is set up and MonoWall is working much better than the AuctionTech:) |
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FiOStech
Premium
join:2004-09-09
Kennett Square, PA
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | said by warlockd  :Just had the installer set up this last Friday in Plano, TX. He told me point blank that they were not allowed to enable the Ethernet jack as well as telling me that you can't have TV and the Ethernet port on at the same time. He seemed knowledgeable about the install, but he might of not known about the underlying technologies. This also could be more because of Auction Tech's contract with Verison. Maybe it’s more political than technical. PS - Thanks for the FAQ! My bridge is set up and MonoWall is working much better than the AuctionTech:) Not true. As a tech, when I install a 612 ONT, I always have the choice to use MoCA (coax) or Ethernet (cat5e).
If tv is being installed as well as data, and the customer wants ethernet, you simply run coax and cat5e to the actiontec.
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FiOStech
Premium
join:2004-09-09
Kennett Square, PA | The cat5e feeds the wan side of the router, and the coax feeds the MoCA LAN, so the STB's can get VOD and program guide.
(just to be clear) |
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FiOStech
Premium
join:2004-09-09
Kennett Square, PA | 612 ONT using ethernet for data and providing TV via coax
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nycdave
Premium,MVM
join:1999-11-16
Melville, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to warlockd
said by warlockd :Just had the installer set up this last Friday in Plano, TX. He told me point blank that they were not allowed to enable the Ethernet jack as well as telling me that you can't have TV and the Ethernet port on at the same time. He seemed knowledgeable about the install, but he might of not known about the underlying technologies. This also could be more because of Auction Tech's contract with Verison. Maybe it’s more political than technical. PS - Thanks for the FAQ! My bridge is set up and MonoWall is working much better than the AuctionTech:) That tech is obviously misinformed. That 'rule' is non-existent...MoCA-enabled ONT's are being rolled out to allow more efficient installs, depending on the customer's specific wiring requirements. |
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FiOStech
Premium
join:2004-09-09
Kennett Square, PA
·Verizon FIOS
| said by nycdave
[/bquote :That tech is obviously misinformed. That 'rule' is non-existent...MoCA-enabled ONT's are being rolled out to allow more efficient installs, depending on the customer's specific wiring requirements. Exactly... |
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dumbness
join:2002-11-20
Freeport, NY
| reply to DaDrgon
Is the actiontec really that bad? I just had fios installed yesterday and my roomate and I are both running multiple BT downloads at remarkably high speeds with no noticeable effect on speeds of normal browsing or even other downloading.
Is it possible this has been fixed with newer firmware? I'm also curious if maybe the problem is only on the wireless side of the router? I'm using a netgear 824 router with very solid wireless solely as a switch and an access point, and it was much easier to just hang it off of the actiontec as opposed to trying to shoehorn it in between the ONT and the actiontec, or use the actiontec as a MoCA bridge. This also is the only option for us poor chaps who didn't have the foresight to ask our techs to run an ethernet cable from the ont at the install time.
I guess it's all a matter of personal preference, but so far I've actually been impressed with the actiontec router for being so solid. I guess it had better be solid as a cinder block for being the size of one. Maybe in a while i'll find out I hate it but for now the ugly bugger seems to be performing admirably.
In a related question: Does anyone know if it would be possible, and how much verizon would charge for turning on the ethernet on the ONT if I ran cat6 to it myself? |
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DaDrgon
join:2007-01-20
Garland, TX
| the actiontec itself is a decent router, it's just that the firmware is buggy (NAT tables too small like I said).... you were probably lucky with your setup, but it wasn't for me
I'm using the latest release firmware (.120), tried all sorts of settings on my PC and settings on the actiontec and it just kept flaking out on me... my research have found that gamers on a different forum had problems maintaining a connection to "steam"... it's not the issue of data/bandwidth overloading the router, it's an issue of too many TCP/IP connections which happens on intensive applications such as p2p downloads, gaming, etc
I do not use wireless for any of my computers but I seriously doubt it plays any role in making the actiontec flake out or not because it should all get routed through the same NAT table, especially since you have a netgear behind the actiontec which means the actiontec will think that its passing data through the ethernet interfaces and not the wireless (on the actiontec) |
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dumbness
join:2002-11-20
Freeport, NY | reply to DaDrgon
I'm getting a lot of these errors in the log:
NAT Error : connection pool is full. No connection created
Is this related to the tiny nat table you're talking about? |
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Nafets
join:2003-08-20
| reply to DaDrgon
DaDrgon, you made my day!!! 
I just got hooked up with FIOS today, via Cat5E connection/DHCP, and I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to work it without the Actiontec router. I followed your directions up to and including #8, unplugged the connection from the MI424-WR and plugged it directly to my PC. Works like a charm.
Many thanks on your great guide... |
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DaDrgon
join:2007-01-20
Garland, TX | reply to dumbness
that is exactly what I mentioned in my original post |
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Stresspuppy
join:2007-02-24
Glen Allen, VA
| reply to DaDrgon
Sorry to bring this thread back, but just read it and it is great information!!
My installer hooked my ActionTec up via Ethernet so sounds like I don't have the issue some of you have. BUT, I have my own linux box that does my DHCP, firewall and NAT so I would like to take the ActionTec out of the mix. I tried this today but got nowhere. Then I read this post.
My question is do I still need to have it running in line as a bridge, or can I do like Nafets, run up to step 8 and then take the ethernet from the ONT and put it right into my firewall?
(If it makes any difference, my box is running IPCop - see »www.ipcop.org - and has two NICs, one for outside and one for inside.) |
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smajchrz
join:2003-10-11
Chantilly, VA
| Release the ip address on the actiontec, remove it, then stick your ipcop box in its place. It should pull an ip address at this point. If you happen to have TV service as well, you will want to reconnect the actiontec behind your ipcop box so that you will still get the guide and vod data. |
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Stresspuppy
join:2007-02-24
Glen Allen, VA | I'll give that a shot, thanks!
On the IPCop setup, it asks for a DCHP Hostname. What should this be? fios.verizon.net? |
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smajchrz
join:2003-10-11
Chantilly, VA | No it would be whatever you want to name the computer without the domain info.
So something like "firewall", "ipcop", "Bob" or anything else that strikes your fancy. |
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Stresspuppy
join:2007-02-24
Glen Allen, VA | reply to DaDrgon
Did it and it worked great!!! Thanks again for this great info! |
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Lee GWB
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ | reply to FiOStech
Hi,
I have the 610. I Have TV and Ethernet setup.. Both are hooked up and run to my Office to a Actiontec six feet away.
Lee |
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Aloof
join:2007-02-26
Gresham, OR
| My router isn't using the Coax set-up as you originally state, does this mean it does not need to be bridged and I can just plug the Cat5 directly into my own router?
Verizon said "no, because we need the actiontec available for diagnostic purposes" but I am unsure if that is true.
I would try it myself, but since I am a little ill-knowledged about this new ActionTec router; I don't want to screw something up. |
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Lee GWB
Yaco
Premium
join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ
 ·Verizon Online DSL
1 edit | Hi,
I would talk to "VZTECH" I'm almost positive you can use any router.Some use their own router and a "NIM".
So if your NOT using "FIOSTV" I think you can get away with it. If you are using "TV" you could still use your router but with a NIM.
Any other want to chime in..My brain is fried today.
Lee
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sz8
join:2007-03-02
Plano, TX
| reply to DaDrgon
Silly question:
After configuring Actiontec into a bridge, you connect
one of the Lan ports of Actiontec to the Wan port of
your own router?
I may need this because I want to get Sunrocket VOIP.
I heard the VOIP adapter may not work (well) with
Actiontec.
Thanks,
SZ |
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